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Post by standbymoi on Sept 8, 2016 6:12:24 GMT -5
I dont have lyrics in my HC booklet. Me neither. Is this some special edition? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 7:34:17 GMT -5
I dont have lyrics in my HC booklet. Me neither. Is this some special edition? You're not missing much... the lyrics on HC are pretty poor mostly.  |
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Post by standbymoi on Sept 9, 2016 3:29:55 GMT -5
Force of Nature is in a higher key/sped up because it appears in a film, and songs are often sped up in a film (partly to fit the timing of the scene sometimes). Not much work done in the meantime - think it's a song that will date back to 1999 France sessions. Watched the film Love, Honour & Obey for the first time last night. Force of Nature sounded great in it, is that the demo? Also is the Heathen Chemistry version a new vocal from Noel or just the old one slowed down... |
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Post by nutsngum on Sept 9, 2016 7:31:17 GMT -5
Force of Nature is in a higher key/sped up because it appears in a film, and songs are often sped up in a film (partly to fit the timing of the scene sometimes). Not much work done in the meantime - think it's a song that will date back to 1999 France sessions. Watched the film Love, Honour & Obey for the first time last night. Force of Nature sounded great in it, is that the demo? Also is the Heathen Chemistry version a new vocal from Noel or just the old one slowed down... Yep it's the demo. Think he also recorded Little By Little demo at the same time - it was when they were setting up all their gear in that mansion in France. Pretty sure the vocal is from the demo, but happy to be corrected... |
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Post by standbymoi on Sept 9, 2016 12:06:02 GMT -5
Watched the film Love, Honour & Obey for the first time last night. Force of Nature sounded great in it, is that the demo? Also is the Heathen Chemistry version a new vocal from Noel or just the old one slowed down... Yep it's the demo. Think he also recorded Little By Little demo at the same time - it was when they were setting up all their gear in that mansion in France. Pretty sure the vocal is from the demo, but happy to be corrected... Thanks. At first I was thinking why did he put it on Heathen chemistry if it had already been in a film 3 + years before, but then i suppose hardly anyone saw it so he thought lets get it out there and heard. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 6, 2016 8:14:41 GMT -5
Ballad of the Mighty I destroys everything Oasis did between 2002-2007 except Idle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 8:16:46 GMT -5
Ballad of the Mighty I destroys everything Oasis did between 2002-2007 except Idle. Thanks. is easily the most overrated Noel tune of the past 15 years. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 6, 2016 8:18:13 GMT -5
Ballad of the Mighty I destroys everything Oasis did between 2002-2007 except Idle. Thanks. is easily the most overrated orgasmic Noel tune of the past 15 years. I agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 8:45:09 GMT -5
The Ballad of the Mighty I is easily the most overrated orgasmic Noel tune of the past 15 years. I agree.  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 6, 2016 10:06:54 GMT -5
Ballad of the Mighty I destroys everything Oasis did between 2002-2007 except Idle. Thanks. Conveniently left off the DOYS era? |
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Post by matt on Oct 6, 2016 10:12:07 GMT -5
Ballad of the Mighty I destroys everything Oasis did between 2002-2007 except Idle. Thanks. Conveniently left off the DOYS era? Falling Down is better that's why, and Shock of the Lightning. But it beats everything else off that album. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 6, 2016 10:21:15 GMT -5
Here's the paradox of it all: Non hardcore fans actually really like Heathen Chemistry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 10:53:24 GMT -5
I'll never understand the love for BOTMI. Off Chasing Yesterday, I prefer 1000 times more what he tried on Riverman, The Right Stuff and While The Song Remains The Same. Very class stuff, what I'm expecting from a guy like Noel.
BOTMI is really borderline. I hate the guitars on it, it sounds like he was trying to write "a cool dance hit". The only thing I like about the song is the outro, with Marr great arpeggios. Shame he was wasted on PAITM and that song.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 6, 2016 10:55:29 GMT -5
BOTMI is indeed one of the most overrated Noel songs ever written. It's also about Liam.
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Post by mossy on Mar 27, 2017 14:33:55 GMT -5
Here's the paradox of it all: Non hardcore fans actually really like Heathen Chemistry.  |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Mar 27, 2017 14:51:12 GMT -5
I can't stomach Noel's vocals on Ballad of the Mighty I.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 18:07:25 GMT -5
Here's the paradox of it all: Non hardcore fans actually really like Heathen Chemistry. no they like the singles that come from heathen chemistry theres a difference. I highly doubt a casual fan is sitting down and listening to 'probably all in the mind.' casual fans tend to base their opinions of whole albums on the singles alone,HC features a good amount of oasis most memorable songs post 2000 (LBL, songbird, HT, SCYHO) so casual fans will look at that and see it as quite strong whereas SOTSOG only has go let it out, DBTT only has lyla and IOBI, DOYS only has SOTL (thats a push for being memorable over the whole catalogue) if you only listen to the singles then HC isnt that bad, but outside the singles its mostly a total waste of time. HC is the most memorable album post BHN maybe even WTSMG from that standpoint. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 18:12:14 GMT -5
BOTMI is indeed one of the most overrated Noel songs ever written. It's also about Liam. Can you explain me that theory again? |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 27, 2017 18:33:19 GMT -5
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Post by bt95 on Mar 28, 2017 2:42:15 GMT -5
I really don't get the hate for this album. I was 7 when it came out, so tbh not really into music (well, I was, but y'know, I was a kid, so didn't know anything about it). I vividly remember watching the World Cup that year as that was the time I finally got into (watching) football. And obviously when England went out to Brazil all you would hear on the radio/in the shops would be Stop Crying Your Heart Out (weirdly enough that happened again 8 years later in the 2010 WC  ) So, that's really the first 'memory' of Oasis I have. Growing up in England in the early 2000s it's hard not to know who Oasis were though - 'Wonderwall', 'Don't Look Back In Anger' and the fact that it's two brothers that hated each other - but that was really about it, that's all I knew. The next is being in Spain and watching MTV with my Dad one night and The Importance of Being Idle video coming on. After it finished, my Dad just said something like "They've smashed it there", but at the time I was into Green Day (purely as they swore in songs) and just starting to really discover guitar music. It'd be another five years before I got into them properly when I was 15. So I suppose my point is that really HC is the first Oasis record I have any actual memory of. I don't have any hate for it - just as I don't dislike any Oasis album really - even though there are some below-average songs on there. As an album I think it flows better than either BHN or SOTSOG - it just seems to lose momentum towards the end, but it's carried by its singles and BOADC. |
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Post by bt95 on Mar 28, 2017 2:46:43 GMT -5
BOTMI is indeed one of the most overrated Noel songs ever written. It's also about Liam. Very much over-analysed that there tbh mate... It's an okay tune. Nothing mind-blowing. Tbh I prefer it as an instrumental - the guitars on it are boss. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Mar 28, 2017 2:52:27 GMT -5
I really don't get the hate for this album. I was 7 when it came out, so tbh not really into music (well, I was, but y'know, I was a kid, so didn't know anything about it). I vividly remember watching the World Cup that year as that was the time I finally got into (watching) football. And obviously when England went out to Brazil all you would hear on the radio/in the shops would be Stop Crying Your Heart Out (weirdly enough that happened again 8 years later in the 2010 WC ) So, that's really the first 'memory' of Oasis I have. Growing up in England in the early 2000s it's hard not to know who Oasis were though - 'Wonderwall', 'Don't Look Back In Anger' and the fact that it's two brothers that hated each other - but that was really about it, that's all I knew. The next is being in Spain and watching MTV with my Dad one night and The Importance of Being Idle video coming on. After it finished, my Dad just said something like "They've smashed it there", but at the time I was into Green Day (purely as they swore in songs) and just starting to really discover guitar music. It'd be another five years before I got into them properly when I was 15. So I suppose my point is that really HC is the first Oasis record I have any actual memory of. I don't have any hate for it - just as I don't dislike any Oasis album really - even though there are some below-average songs on there. As an album I think it flows better than either BHN or SOTSOG - it just seems to lose momentum towards the end, but it's carried by its singles and BOADC. Well said. HC is easily the best noughties Oasis Mk 2 album. Like you said, the flow is there, the majority of songs are not bad, and the collection of B sides from this period are actually the best since the 90's era - and would never to be bettered again. The albums that should be rightly hated and despised are DBTT and DOYS, yet for some bizarre reason they don't get slated half as much as HC, even though this album is far superior in every single way to those 2 stinking heaps of garbage that followed. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 28, 2017 3:19:57 GMT -5
What flow? The flow of diarrhea?
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Mar 28, 2017 3:55:37 GMT -5
What flow? The flow of diarrhea? If we are talking about DBTT and DOYS, then yes - obviously!  |
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Post by Gas Panic on Mar 28, 2017 4:12:39 GMT -5
The main issue with HC is that you can tell that Noel and the band are suffering a complete lack of inspiration, and you can really feel this lack of inspiration throughout the whole album.
Around the time of DBTT something happened with oasis and they seemed to rediscover their mojo and Noel especially seemed to be in better spirits and this can be felt across the whole of DBTT I think. This is why DBTT is generally considered to be a better record, even if HC has better singles. DBTT is just so much more fun and listenable from start to finish.
You can really feel this reawakening in Can Y'See It Now I think and its a great shame the track didn't close DBTT, I get goose bumps every time I listen to it, a feeling I never get from listening to Heathen Chemistry.
Its no surprise why DBTT caused a revival for Oasis and why in 2005 it became cool again to listen to them.
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