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Post by bt95 on Mar 28, 2017 5:29:02 GMT -5
I really don't get the hate for this album. I was 7 when it came out, so tbh not really into music (well, I was, but y'know, I was a kid, so didn't know anything about it). I vividly remember watching the World Cup that year as that was the time I finally got into (watching) football. And obviously when England went out to Brazil all you would hear on the radio/in the shops would be Stop Crying Your Heart Out (weirdly enough that happened again 8 years later in the 2010 WC  ) So, that's really the first 'memory' of Oasis I have. Growing up in England in the early 2000s it's hard not to know who Oasis were though - 'Wonderwall', 'Don't Look Back In Anger' and the fact that it's two brothers that hated each other - but that was really about it, that's all I knew. The next is being in Spain and watching MTV with my Dad one night and The Importance of Being Idle video coming on. After it finished, my Dad just said something like "They've smashed it there", but at the time I was into Green Day (purely as they swore in songs) and just starting to really discover guitar music. It'd be another five years before I got into them properly when I was 15. So I suppose my point is that really HC is the first Oasis record I have any actual memory of. I don't have any hate for it - just as I don't dislike any Oasis album really - even though there are some below-average songs on there. As an album I think it flows better than either BHN or SOTSOG - it just seems to lose momentum towards the end, but it's carried by its singles and BOADC. Well said. HC is easily the best noughties Oasis Mk 2 album. Like you said, the flow is there, the majority of songs are not bad, and the collection of B sides from this period are actually the best since the 90's era - and would never to be bettered again. The albums that should be rightly hated and despised are DBTT and DOYS, yet for some bizarre reason they don't get slated half as much as HC, even though this album is far superior in every single way to those 2 stinking heaps of garbage that followed. Haha cheers. I think they were also brilliant live in 2002 as well. That being said, I personally prefer DBTT and I don't mind DOYS. The disappointment for me with DOYS is that after the first seven songs it just completely dissipates, though I have recently got back into 'Soldier On'. |
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Post by bt95 on Mar 28, 2017 5:31:00 GMT -5
Here's the paradox of it all: Non hardcore fans actually really like Heathen Chemistry. no they like the singles that come from heathen chemistry theres a difference. I highly doubt a casual fan is sitting down and listening to 'probably all in the mind.' casual fans tend to base their opinions of whole albums on the singles alone,HC features a good amount of oasis most memorable songs post 2000 (LBL, songbird, HT, SCYHO) so casual fans will look at that and see it as quite strong whereas SOTSOG only has go let it out, DBTT only has lyla and IOBI, DOYS only has SOTL (thats a push for being memorable over the whole catalogue) if you only listen to the singles then HC isnt that bad, but outside the singles its mostly a total waste of time. HC is the most memorable album post BHN maybe even WTSMG from that standpoint. Yeh HC is very much carried by the singles. That being said - I'm a hardcore fan - and do actually like (Probably) All In The Mind haha  Born On A Different Cloud is though, by far, the best song on HC imo. |
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Post by bt95 on Mar 28, 2017 5:45:22 GMT -5
The main issue with HC is that you can tell that Noel and the band are suffering a complete lack of inspiration, and you can really feel this lack of inspiration throughout the whole album. Around the time of DBTT something happened with oasis and they seemed to rediscover their mojo and Noel especially seemed to be in better spirits and this can be felt across the whole of DBTT I think. This is why DBTT is generally considered to be a better record, even if HC has better singles. DBTT is just so much more fun and listenable from start to finish. You can really feel this reawakening in Can Y'See It Now I think and its a great shame the track didn't close DBTT, I get goose bumps every time I listen to it, a feeling I never get from listening to Heathen Chemistry. Its no surprise why DBTT caused a revival for Oasis and why in 2005 it became cool again to listen to them.Tbh though, as much as I agree on DBTT, I also think that last point has as much to do with the fact that, in 2005 (as NG himself has said), a new generation of people got back into Oasis. Around the time of Wembley 2000 through to Finsbury Park 2002 (so two tours) a lot of the live audience (in Britain at least) were the same ones that had been 16-20 when Oasis played Knebworth. They became the definition of 'pub rock'. Very male-orientated. Now, the strength of HC's singles IMO shifted that in a way, and that's when people who were say - 15/16 in 2002/2003 - will have started getting into Oasis. It's a generational thing. They'd then go to their mums/dads/older siblings etc and they'd discover just how big Oasis were (like I had to do when I got into them - even though by the time that happened they'd been finished over a year). And so, by the time DBTT comes round, there's a bunch of 18-20 year-olds ready to go to their first Oasis gig. It came round in a cycle, and so it became cool to be into Oasis again (in Britain at least). So you had that mix of people who would've been at Knebworth and people who were just getting to their first gig. That being said, it's now gone full circle in a way. I went to two nights of the Roses last year in Manchester. The mix was people my age (16-21) and then people in their (40s). Funnily enough, it was the ones in their 40s acting like utter pricks (not all of them  , and getting e'd up like it's 1989. Now, leave the drug consuming to the younger ones and get a grip, ey? We can do it and get away with being young and foolish. You've got two kids and a 9-5. Give the sniff a rest... It's a damning statement of music in general though that now one of the most likely bands to sell out a stadium in minutes in the Uk haven't released an album in 22 years. The others been U2 and Coldplay. Catfish and the Bottlemen are sound, and I've seen them a few times, but they're lacking the attitude to go with the songs. They want to be the best and they say it and the lad can write a catchy tune, but I just get the feeling they'll turn into another Courteeners if they don't do something 'big' soon - and that's not just their fault - it's the record companies playing everything safe, keeping everything to two-year-cycles of album, tour, demo, record, pre-release build-up, album etc. Oasis were so big because they blasted through in the space of a year. Nobody had the time to forget about them or ignore them, and that's why 20 years later Oasis are still the biggest band for fans of that type of music who are my age. I may have got a bit carried away there, like... |
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, and getting e'd up like it's 1989.
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