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Post by beentherenow on Aug 8, 2016 14:30:08 GMT -5
The only time I ever heard Noel speak of "The Cage" was when a reporter asked him and he said it is only on the album because he is contracted for a certain percentage of the songs written on each album. I think maybe Jim could confirm this more. Yeah I remember that. I'm sure it was mentioned around the time the NME gave the track "away" on free CD. Noel had to write something like 70% off the album tracks and Heathen Chemistry came up short so it was added as secret track. That does show how much writers block he was suffering from at that time, He only wrote 6 for the album and 2 of those for definite were pre SOTSOG tunes! Add to Idlers Dream and Just Getting Older being SOTSOG leftovers and he really didn't write a fat lot or this album. Probably why it's so shit |
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 8, 2016 15:14:02 GMT -5
I will say though idk why everyone hates She is Love so much I think it's pretty good. I think it's pretty good too, SIL has a nice melody and love the gospel tinged harmonica on the song, the lyrics are a bit cheesy, but overall it's ok for me. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 9, 2016 3:06:09 GMT -5
I've said before on these forums that Noel only had a handful of decent tunes left post 2000 (or ones that he didn't sit on until his solo career), that was only one album's worth, not including some half decent B sides.
And they are basically most of the singles from all 4 albums, plus Gas Panic and FITB. This would have been a decent follow up to Be Here Now, had it been produced by Oasis Mk1, including original band members plus Owen Morris and Brian Cannon.
The album would look something like this -
1. Fuckin in the Bushes
2. Go Let it Out
3. I'm Outta Time
4. Little By Little
5. The Hindu Times
6. Gas Panic
7. The Importance of Being Idle
8. Falling Down
9. Stop Crying your Heart Out
10. The Shock of the Lightening
11. Who put the Weight of the World on My Shoulders?
The rest of the songs from the 4 albums are mostly garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 3:27:35 GMT -5
A better Heathen Chem.......... The Hindu Times (with demo drum loop) Force of Nature The Roller Stop Crying Your Heart Out Little By Little Songbird Thank You For The Good Times Shout It Out Loud Born On A Different Cloud You've Got The Heart of A Star Why have you put 'The Roller' on there? |
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Post by wozdareden on Aug 9, 2016 3:35:12 GMT -5
Coz it comes from those HC sessions.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 9, 2016 3:54:31 GMT -5
Coz it comes from those HC sessions. I would rather have Stop the Clocks. |
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Post by scottc on Aug 9, 2016 4:12:56 GMT -5
About I'm Outta Time.. I used to think the lyrics went: "Out to sea is the only place I honestly can get myself some piece of mind. You know it's getting hard to find." Would have made more sense and IT RHYMES! I agree. That is the better lyric. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's what he sings on the demo. He probably changed it to "flyyyy" on the single version cos it gave him the opportunity to do his best Lennon impression. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 9, 2016 5:55:35 GMT -5
A better Heathen Chem.......... The Hindu Times (with demo drum loop) Force of Nature The Roller Stop Crying Your Heart Out Little By Little Songbird Thank You For The Good Times Shout It Out Loud Born On A Different Cloud You've Got The Heart of A Star Why have you put 'The Roller' on there? Because it was worked on during winter of 2000 and recorded during those sessions for HC. Would love to hear the Oasis take. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Aug 9, 2016 6:13:00 GMT -5
I've said before on these forums that Noel only had a handful of decent tunes left post 2000 (or ones that he didn't sit on until his solo career), that was only one album's worth, not including some half decent B sides. And they are basically most of the singles from all 4 albums, plus Gas Panic and FITB. This would have been a decent follow up to Be Here Now, had it been produced by Oasis Mk1, including original band members plus Owen Morris and Brian Cannon. The album would look something like this - 1. Fuckin in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 3. I'm Outta Time 4. Little By Little 5. The Hindu Times 6. Gas Panic 7. The Importance of Being Idle 8. Falling Down 9. Stop Crying your Heart Out 10. The Shock of the Lightening 11. Who put the Weight of the World on My Shoulders? The rest of the songs from the 4 albums are mostly garbage. There are so many more but very quickly Bag It Up and The Turning spring to mind as easily standing up to the 90s heyday Oasis songs. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 9, 2016 6:37:17 GMT -5
I've said before on these forums that Noel only had a handful of decent tunes left post 2000 (or ones that he didn't sit on until his solo career), that was only one album's worth, not including some half decent B sides. And they are basically most of the singles from all 4 albums, plus Gas Panic and FITB. This would have been a decent follow up to Be Here Now, had it been produced by Oasis Mk1, including original band members plus Owen Morris and Brian Cannon. The album would look something like this - 1. Fuckin in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 3. I'm Outta Time 4. Little By Little 5. The Hindu Times 6. Gas Panic 7. The Importance of Being Idle 8. Falling Down 9. Stop Crying your Heart Out 10. The Shock of the Lightening 11. Who put the Weight of the World on My Shoulders? The rest of the songs from the 4 albums are mostly garbage. There are so many more but very quickly Bag It Up and The Turning spring to mind as easily standing up to the 90s heyday Oasis songs. Sorry, but Bag it Up and The Turning are not comparable to 90's classic Oasis songs. Live Forever, Supersonic, The Masterplan, Some Might Say, D'You Know What I mean....they are classic 90's songs. Throw these 2 songs into that list and they stand out like a turd in a punchbowl. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 7:25:57 GMT -5
There are so many more but very quickly Bag It Up and The Turning spring to mind as easily standing up to the 90s heyday Oasis songs. Sorry, but Bag it Up and The Turning are not comparable to 90's classic Oasis songs. Live Forever, Supersonic, The Masterplan, Some Might Say, D'You Know What I mean....they are classic 90's songs. Throw these 2 songs into that list and they stand out like a turd in a punchbowl. Outside of the production values, I'm not sure Bag It Up and The Turning are as dissimilar to 90's era Oasis as your analogy suggests. All that said, my only dig at your proposed tracklisting is that it includes FITB, IOT, and WPTWOTWOMS on it. Starting an album off with an instrumental is lazy and says nothing. IOT is not even Liam's best Oasis song. WPTWOFTWOMS is not even a fully finished song. It's basically a demo. |
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Post by keke on Aug 9, 2016 7:49:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 8:40:11 GMT -5
Oasis post Be Here Now are songs that almost every band can write. 1994-1998 was magic. From Supersonic till Flashbax. Like somebody else said after 1998 they had maybe 10 songs that reach the level of te 90's. Go Let It Out, Gas Panic!, The Importance Of Being Idle, Part Of The Queue, Stop Crying Tour Heart Out...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 9, 2016 9:42:57 GMT -5
Stop Crying Tour Heart Out... An Oasis Freudian slip? |
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Post by beentherenow on Aug 9, 2016 9:49:38 GMT -5
I've said before on these forums that Noel only had a handful of decent tunes left post 2000 (or ones that he didn't sit on until his solo career), that was only one album's worth, not including some half decent B sides. And they are basically most of the singles from all 4 albums, plus Gas Panic and FITB. This would have been a decent follow up to Be Here Now, had it been produced by Oasis Mk1, including original band members plus Owen Morris and Brian Cannon. The album would look something like this - 1. Fuckin in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 3. I'm Outta Time 4. Little By Little 5. The Hindu Times 6. Gas Panic 7. The Importance of Being Idle 8. Falling Down 9. Stop Crying your Heart Out 10. The Shock of the Lightening 11. Who put the Weight of the World on My Shoulders? The rest of the songs from the 4 albums are mostly garbage. Whilst I sort of agree with what you're saying the fact my 00-09 album would look very different just shows there were more quality tunes about than you think, unfortunately they were just spread over 9 years instead of 3 like in the 90's Mine would be like the below (anyone guess my favourite 00's album?) Fuckin in the Bushes Go Let It Out Who Feels Love? Turn Up The Sun Shock of The Lightning The Importance of Being Idol Gas Panic! Let's All Make Believe Where Did It All Go Wrong Born on a different Cloud The Turning Roll It Over |
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Post by Gas Panic on Aug 9, 2016 10:13:21 GMT -5
There are so many more but very quickly Bag It Up and The Turning spring to mind as easily standing up to the 90s heyday Oasis songs. Sorry, but Bag it Up and The Turning are not comparable to 90's classic Oasis songs. Live Forever, Supersonic, The Masterplan, Some Might Say, D'You Know What I mean....they are classic 90's songs. Throw these 2 songs into that list and they stand out like a turd in a punchbowl. I didnt say they were as good as Live Forever etc, that would be silly. I said that Bag It Up and The Turning stand up to that eras offerings, which I honestly think they do. I'd take Bag It Up and The Turning over a fair few 90s Oasis songs. A lot of people are under the illusion that EVERYTHING in the 90s was pure gold and NOTHING from SOTSOG onwards came close to even the weaker 90s output. These people need to wake up and stop living in the past. |
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 9, 2016 10:15:34 GMT -5
In short supply may be, but those for me are as great as their 90's songs.
Go let it out
F%#$&in the bushes
Gas Panic
Let's all make believe
Roll it over
Idler's dream
Stop crying your heart out
Songbird
Lyla
The importante of being idle
Part of the queue
Shock of the lightning
Falling down
Bag it up
The turning
I'm outta time
Waiting for the rapture
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Post by rekrelf on Aug 9, 2016 10:17:06 GMT -5
I saw them on that tour and they smashed it both nights. A great setlist and strong energy coming from the band. I saw them the 24th July 2002 in the Columbialalle Berlin and it was the best gig in my life!!!!! Would kill to have that night again. |
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Post by dadrocker on Aug 9, 2016 11:34:56 GMT -5
00-09
01 Fuckin' In The Bushes
02 The Turning
03 Lyla
04 Stop Crying Your Heart Out
05 The Importance of Being Idle
06 Gas Panic!
07 Let's All Make Believe
08 Part of the Queue
09 Falling Down
10 The Shock of the Lightning
11 A Bell Will Ring
12 Roll It Over
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Post by supernovadragon on Aug 9, 2016 11:49:06 GMT -5
00-09
1. The Hindu Times
2. Lyla
3. Shock Of The Lightning
4. The Turning
5. Stop Crying Your Heart Out
6. Gas Panic!
7. Where Did It All Go Wrong?
8. Guess God Thinks Am Abel
9. Let's All Make Believe
10. Falling Down
11. Born On A Different Cloud
12. Roll It Over
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 9, 2016 15:14:45 GMT -5
Sorry, but Bag it Up and The Turning are not comparable to 90's classic Oasis songs. Live Forever, Supersonic, The Masterplan, Some Might Say, D'You Know What I mean....they are classic 90's songs. Throw these 2 songs into that list and they stand out like a turd in a punchbowl. I didnt say they were as good as Live Forever etc, that would be silly. I said that Bag It Up and The Turning stand up to that eras offerings, which I honestly think they do. I'd take Bag It Up and The Turning over a fair few 90s Oasis songs. A lot of people are under the illusion that EVERYTHING in the 90s was pure gold and NOTHING from SOTSOG onwards came close to even the weaker 90s output. These people need to wake up and stop living in the past. The big difference is, if you look at the first 3 albums and B sides, most of the songs were way above average, with many tracks outright, solid gold 5 star classics. The occasional duffer tracks (I can hardly think of any) are few and far between. Whereas the following 4 albums and B sides are mainly poor, with the occasional above average tracks few and far between. As for classics (songs that stand the test of time, and truly are deemed classics - not just fanboy loved tracks), well you could pick them on one hand - SCYHO, TIOBI, er...I can't think of any others. Little by Little maybe? Can you really put these songs up there with the likes of Live Forever and Some Might Say? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 9, 2016 16:43:53 GMT -5
In short supply may be, but those for me are as great as their 90's songs. Go let it out F%#$&in the bushes Gas Panic Let's all make believe Roll it over Idler's dream Stop crying your heart out Songbird Lyla The importante of being idle Part of the queue Shock of the lightning Falling down Bag it up The turning I'm outta time Waiting for the rapture Oasis: Best of 2000 to 2008. Go Let It Out Who Feels Love? Gas Panic Roll It Over Let's All Make Believe The Hindu Times Stop Crying Your Heart Out Little By Little Songbird Lyla The Importance of Being Idle The Shock of The Lightning I'm Outta Time Falling Down Boy With The Blues |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Aug 9, 2016 17:52:37 GMT -5
One thing i will say is - Stop Crying Your Heart out.
An example of why Liam Gallagher's voice was/is the voice of a generation.
Leona Lewis covers it with all the production, "perfect voice", super talent whatever you want, yet the passion of Liam outshines it completely and is just impossible to recapture.
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Post by Gas Panic on Aug 9, 2016 17:53:50 GMT -5
I didnt say they were as good as Live Forever etc, that would be silly. I said that Bag It Up and The Turning stand up to that eras offerings, which I honestly think they do. I'd take Bag It Up and The Turning over a fair few 90s Oasis songs. A lot of people are under the illusion that EVERYTHING in the 90s was pure gold and NOTHING from SOTSOG onwards came close to even the weaker 90s output. These people need to wake up and stop living in the past. The big difference is, if you look at the first 3 albums and B sides, most of the songs were way above average, with many tracks outright, solid gold 5 star classics. The occasional duffer tracks (I can hardly think of any) are few and far between. Whereas the following 4 albums and B sides are mainly poor, with the occasional above average tracks few and far between. As for classics (songs that stand the test of time, and truly are deemed classics - not just fanboy loved tracks), well you could pick them on one hand - SCYHO, TIOBI, er...I can't think of any others. Little by Little maybe? Can you really put these songs up there with the likes of Live Forever and Some Might Say? Tiobi and SCYHO I probably prefer to roll with it and definitely prefer to shakermaker. As I said before though Live Forever, Some Might Say etc are in a league of their own. Clearly oasis mk2 was weaker than the 90s golden period for the band. There are however moments of greatness. DBTT was probably the best era for Oasis since 1998. I love that album from start to finish. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 18:17:39 GMT -5
TIOBI is a great song, probably the best of the noughties by Oasis.
However, I haven't listened to SCYHO in a long time, now. That and Little By Little are Oasis cliché. I'd prefer listen to Roll With It, Shakermaker, Digsy's Dinner, Bonehead's Bank Holiday, anyday of the week.
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