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Post by As You Built The Moon on Jul 23, 2017 17:01:47 GMT -5
I feel like it was great for the original version of the band, and after associating it with all this great music after all these years, I don't really think about it. But looking at SOTSOG to DOYS and now reflecting on the band altogether it feels kind of off.
It always looked cool written down and I love the original logo. But it's too much of a pop name. I'd have it be something with a slightly darker tone now. Most of their influences had names that were better and more versatile. I tell people my favorite band is "Oasis" knowing of course they'll be thinking of Wonderwall and some guys with Beatles haircuts and I feel like I'm 12 years old. Other than that, still like it.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Jul 12, 2017 13:23:52 GMT -5
I still hear "if you don't get yours I won't get mine, as well" from SMS as "if you don't get drunk I won't get high, as well."
I heard "my eyes are dead and my throat's like a black hole" in Gas Panic! as "my eyes are dead and my throat's like a Burlap whore."
From MWC way back when I heard it the first few times, we don't use the word 'shite' in America so I heard "your music tried to keep me up all night."
Not lyrics per se, but in Liam's banter from I Am The Walrus I think he's supposed to have said "it doesn't matter if it's out of tune ... it doesn't matter if it's out of tune ... cos you're cool." The best attempt I ever made at putting words to it was "commodity fashions ... well it much better be fashioned ... your cakes."
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Jul 5, 2017 4:59:55 GMT -5
I seem to remember that now. Do we know if that's actually the original?
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Jul 4, 2017 19:18:03 GMT -5
I'm sure the answer is no, first of all. But I'm asking anyway, because I've always wondered about this ...
Noel said that the title for Heathen Chemistry came from a shirt he bought in Ibiza that said "The Society of Heathen Chemists."
Has anyone ever tried to track down this shirt? Did you have any luck? He might have just gotten it from a street vendor who designed it himself and might not have even known who Noel was or had any idea later on that his design went on to inspire an album title (insert your jabs at the album itself here.)
So I understand the shirt's probably long gone by now and can't be purchased, otherwise I would think the designer would have put it online and made some effort to cash in. I've just always wanted to know what the shirt looked like since I heard that story.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on May 18, 2017 8:58:46 GMT -5
Damn. Wasn't a huge fan but I loved his vocals. Could've been to this last show. I'm going to make a list of everyone I need to see live before it's too late. RIP and condolences to his family.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Apr 25, 2017 17:22:54 GMT -5
Here's the thing: Everything the Republicans cried about with Obama, the Democrats are now crying because of Trump. Welcome to divisive politics. EDIT: 100th page, 100 first days for Trump. Fitting.I haven't seen anyone say that Trump is a Kenyan born Muslim socialist who wants to take our flags and make laws against shooting our guns into the ground a la Yosemite Sam. You can talk about things they've actually both done that the alleged smart Republicans are pointing out but they're not the majority. Most Democrats hate Trump for the wrong reasons but at least those reasons are factual. Your party's base is made up of silly people. That's the problem.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Apr 20, 2017 7:36:28 GMT -5
Tide goes in, tide goes out.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Mar 25, 2017 11:28:37 GMT -5
EyesOverTheCity
"Could you not argue that while God may be "perfect" or "inerrant", that the people he chooses to do his bidding are in fact human and do make errors? The biggest issue with the Bible is that it was compiled and edited by man (man being human beings in this instance, not the literal male). To assume that the book is as infallible as who it is written about breaks reason. Personally, everything found in the Bible should be "taken with a grain of salt" as they say."
That depends on whose concept of the bible we're considering. I and a lot of people in America were brought up to believe that it was actually "written by god" in that its human authors, compilers, transcribers, etc. were all working directly under his guidance with no errors, and that anything we perceive as inaccurate or illogical is part of our imperfection as human readers. And particularly in the Old Testament we see Yahweh interacting with man directly -- writing the ten commandments on stone tablets by himself, wrestling with Jacob, parting the red sea, etc -- it's out of place that he would then have this obviously important book written by people who, say, were only tenuously connected with him and using their own faculties. And it's even more suspect when you combine that with the fact that these direct interactions with man abruptly stopped around the time we invented new ways of recording and verifying that these sorts of events actually happened.
Even if we accept that, okay, god had to dumb it down so to speak so that we humans on earth could understand it, it still falls so short of something I'd expect a god to be involved with. Even leaving aside the obvious problems like it's led to holy wars and schisms in the church from being hard to understand, or that it makes fact based claims that are ridiculous in light of what science has discovered since it was written ... it's just plain boring. Even some of the most devoted Christians admit they've never read it all the way through. I've seen studies that show atheists know more about the bible and religion on average than Christians do. I'm not saying that proves full stop that god wasn't involved, but if he was, you'd expect it to be well written enough to appeal to everyone who would accept Christianity throughout the ages. I mean ... god wrote a book. Wouldn't everyone who professes to believe that today want to know what it says?
"This whole premise is built upon a belief that if God CAN do all this, then he SHOULD do all this. I'm not so sure that jives with with why we are on earth in the first place. If you prescribe to the "God is just playing a game with us earthlings", then this line of reasoning makes perfect sense. Personally, I see life as a learning experience, and for learning to occur, then God shouldn't be removing man's ability to choose between opposites. That leads to the next point below..."
So you kind of mixed the character building answer with the argument from free will. Here's my response to those individually:
The problem with saying that god allows suffering because life is a learning experience is, it seems plausible enough when we're talking about common things most experience through life like falling off your bike and scraping your elbow when you're a kid, or a teenage breakup, or losing a job. We see people bounce back from those things and come out better for it all the time. And, as in the footprints in the sand poem, it's nice to think that a caring hand was behind it the whole time.
But it gets harder to say that when you're talking about babies with cancer. Or mass shootings. Or just to name something local I heard about recently, a family hearing their pet dog scream as it was eaten alive at the stomach by coyotes. What's the point of horrible things like that? What does anyone ever learn from them that's so potent the ends justify the means, or we can say that it was the best course of action from an all powerful god? I can't accept that a loving god lets people experience those things just to make a folksy point to them or someone else about the value of acceptance or whatever.
You could give a domino effect response and say that even if the sufferer doesn't benefit directly, it changes other people's lives and eventually makes a difference that works out in the end. But only breaks down as you think about it. There are children born into cults or abusive homes who are kept isolated from the outside world and beaten and raped until they die. And they aren't saved because they never hear the gospel. They didn't learn from that experience because they had no life to apply it to. And nobody else learned from it because nobody else knew they existed.
A believer might say that some experiences are meant to prepare us for the work we'll be doing in heaven even if they seem pointless now. But, depending on who you ask, there's no sin in heaven. No greed, no lies, no hate. And nobody, Christian or not, dies in that state. Something would have to happen to you when you get to heaven that frees you to be part of such an environment. Presumably it's the soul separating from the flesh. Which leads to my next point ...
Neurology. A lot of things we used to consider spiritual matters are now being explained away by science as functions of the brain. We've mapped out areas of the brain that control distinct mental functions, even found ways to regulate behavior with drugs. And the more we learn about these things, the less room there is to posit the existence of a soul. What exactly is the soul, where is it, and what does it do? - all that's important if you believe this life is about preparing for heaven. Because if it's only the soul that survives into the afterlife, but it's the brain storing all these memories and lessons and forming beliefs and attitudes only to get destroyed at death ... what's the point?
It would mean that when you die, either a) you go to heaven, leaving your corporeal body on earth to go on with just your soul that was magically cleansed and redeemed when you accepted Jesus, or b) you go to hell, to serve no function for the rest of time other than receive unbearable torment. Either way, what was the point?
Free will is an illusion, ultimately. We are only a product of our experiences. It only seems like we make our own choices because we don't see every cog in the wheel that makes us do the things we do. An all knowing god would have a perfect knowledge and understanding of this, so what's even in it for him to play a game with us?
"Again, should God always intervene when someone chooses to make a decision that adversly affects them and/or others? If God was to remove all suffering then we would all live in a world of ZERO knowledge, because all things have their opposites. Good/Evil, Virtue/Vice, Love/Hate. It's impossible to have one without the other, and thus suffering (as you termed it) is an inevitable by product. Personally, I don't see that limiting God power per se."
If living in a world with zero knowledge is problematic for god's plan, where does that sit with the Adam and Eve story? God forbade them from eating fruit that gave them knowledge of good and evil, the thing you just mentioned, and he banished the human race from paradise for it, so why would his plan for us now be to teach us more of that knowledge? Presumably Adam and Eve could have obeyed him and everything would have been fine.
"The traditional dichotomy of heaven and hell as presented in most modern religious discussion does lack nuance... it is also largely a product of centuries of religious types trying to keep control over their masses thru fear. While religious texts do often describe this as black/white... you can also find examples of much more nuance as well and even make an argument for hell not existing at all. I've never been one to think of this dichotomy as absolute."
I've seen interesting cases made for both heaven and hell, particularly in the torah/old testament, being a misinterpretation altogether. "Hell" actually referred to the simple state of death and later to a junkyard outside of Jerusalem, Jesus talked about the kingdom of heaven being within, etc. But I'm less concerned with how scripture can be accurately interpreted, if that's even really possible, and more concerned with how people interpret it today, because that's what actually goes on to affect society.
"In conclusion... I'm not really saying I'm pro-God of the Bible in the absolute, there are loads of holes in the "story" as it is currently constructed. My main point was more that I think of God as being a more exalted version of ourselves while most of the Christian world views God as a dictator of sorts. It's not hard to come to this belief as we see dictators rule with iron fists all over the world."
I can agree with this, and while I'd prefer religious faith be phased out altogether in favor of skepticism, I wish more Christians at least had this perspective.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Mar 23, 2017 16:59:51 GMT -5
Anyway ... I was deeply Christian until I was 25, then a close friend turned to Calvinism and started saying some crazy shit. It was enough that I questioned the whole religion and decided I no longer believed. I call myself an agnostic atheist. Agnostic because the existence of a god cannot be proved or disproved, and atheist because lacking an active belief makes me one who does not believe. The Judeo-Christian god specifically as defined in the bible has too many characteristics that I find contradict one another so I would positively assert that he does not exist. Do you also struggle to understand how human beings can have contradictory traits as well? I'm not poking fun at all. Curious really. If you can believe that a human being contains multitudes, then why is it so hard to believe that God can? In theory... god contains all multitudes, right? Maybe this just went too deep for a casual forum chat. To answer that as summarily as I can, the contradictions within people aren't defined as absolutes. If you describe someone as having absolute characteristics that can't possibly be in agreement, you've just made a fictitious representation of that person. People have characteristics that contradict each other, or seem to at first, but there's observable reasons to explain how those premises can be true simultaneously. On the other hand, if I were to read a book about someone that in chapter three said he was five feet tall and then on chapter five said he was six feet tall on the same day, I have to conclude that this is not an accurate description of a real person. At this point, it's still reasonable to think that the book made an erroneous claim about an actual person. But if the book has too many such contradictions, and none of them have a reasonable explanation, there comes a point where you have to conclude that the subject as defined is fictional altogether, even if based on a real person, because the story is too far from plausibility. And the problem with saying the Bible is just an inaccurate account of a real god is that it's supposed to be an inerrant book directly inspired by a flawless being. Too many things fall apart if the bible can't be given that much trust. Any inaccuracies in the bible itself greatly compromise the likelihood of this perfect being. It would be a fictitious representation of a real god at best. Of course someone who wanted strongly enough to believe that the person in my example really existed could always claim something like the person had surgery to change their height that day. Or I misinterpreted the book because the language is dated, or the imperial measurement system was different at those two points, or one of the heights were just metaphorical, or the story is self evident and I'm just pretending not to believe it out of rebellion, or any number of things that would allow them to go on believing the story, and the conversation would go on like that forever. That's why we say you can't prove a negative; the responsibility falls on the believer to show that the claim is true rather than on me to show that it's false. The most I could do is show that the biblical god doesn't exist beyond a reasonable doubt. To show what I mean by absolutes contradicting each other, I've never seen a satisfactory answer to this argument: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus How could this being be all powerful, all knowing, and all good, as most believers interpret from scripture, if he allows for people to suffer? It would be harder to positively claim Yahweh can't exist if not for how there's so many absolutes in the story -- God has always existed and will always exist. God is pure good, the devil is pure evil. Heaven is eternal bliss beyond our comprehension, hell is eternal torment beyond our comprehension. There's little room for nuance, so I can ask simple questions like why would this all loving god send people to hell? He wouldn't. Which brings me to the other major issue I have ... the bible makes all these hyper dramatic claims and talks in absolutes, and then tells you how to live your whole life based on these things, no matter what situation you're in ... but that runs contrary to the observable world. We live in a world full of limits and uncertainties. Nothing is always this or supremely that. So the whole story comes off more as something that was made up to get people to act a certain way rather than something that represents reality.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Mar 22, 2017 14:58:42 GMT -5
Paul Weller is the father, Noel Gallagher is the son, Liam Gallagher is the Holy Spirit. Fixed. Fine tuned. Anyway ... I was deeply Christian until I was 25, then a close friend turned to Calvinism and started saying some crazy shit. It was enough that I questioned the whole religion and decided I no longer believed. I call myself an agnostic atheist. Agnostic because the existence of a god cannot be proved or disproved, and atheist because lacking an active belief makes me one who does not believe. The Judeo-Christian god specifically as defined in the bible has too many characteristics that I find contradict one another so I would positively assert that he does not exist.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Feb 14, 2017 9:04:24 GMT -5
☑️Michael Flynn 🔲Betsy DeVos 🔲Sean Spicer 🔲Kellyanne Conway 🔲Reince Priebus 🔲Stephen Miller 🔲Steve Bannon 🔲Donald Trump Lock him up.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Jan 19, 2017 9:33:03 GMT -5
Fucking state of this. Loving the blank pad of paper. And he's writing with a felt pen. And that's his receptionist's desk. George W. Bush wasn't nearly this stupid.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Jan 11, 2017 11:10:28 GMT -5
Menstrual jokes, tiny hands, creepy remarks about his daughter, pussygate, now this as Anderson Cooper is hard at work analyzing his response to Meryl Streep ... I can't believe so many people are still eyeing the distractions. Nobody should care. We should care that he wants to tear up the Geneva conventions, use torture "even if it doesn't work", go after the families of ISIS, and expand the nuclear capability of a military that is already obscenely overfunded and involved in seven different wars. A man who openly campaigned on the promise of committing war crimes is going to be the President of the United States in just over a week and as long as he continues to act like a clown and dance for us it's not getting noticed.
Our media failed us. The supposed opposition party failed us. And we failed the rest of the world.
God dammit.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Dec 30, 2016 17:18:00 GMT -5
Are Gallagher interviews "swearing done right"? Fookin' A, mate. I love Tarantino movies, Dexter, Californication, Wolf of Wall Street ... I mean my favorite movie is Scarface. But there's a special art to it. If you're just tossing out fucks and vaginas and motherfuckers to cover the fact you don't have anything interesting to say ... which I find is most people who talk like that in real life ... you just sound unintelligent and uninteresting to me. And I know The Wire has won all kinds of awards so it must be doing something right. So I don't know, if it's meant to be super realistic, I guess cops don't talk like they have a team of writers scripting them. Edit: What?! I said the c word, not vaginas, lol. The board must have done that. My autocorrect didn't do it.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Dec 30, 2016 16:01:12 GMT -5
As far as Better Call Saul goes, how does that tie into the Breaking Bad series (without any spoilers given )? I don't think I'm spoiling *that* much to tell you this, but Walt and Jesse eventually get a lawyer for obvious reasons. Better Call Saul is a prequel series set a few years before the events of Breaking Bad (2001, I believe.) It focuses on that character and how he eventually became the person he is in Breaking Bad. And it leans more towards comedy. I tried to sit through the first episode of the Wire twice and couldn't make it. Hated the dialogue. I'm okay with constant swearing when it's done right, but when you just say fuck at every possible moment and there's no point to it my brain shuts off because you just don't sound interesting or worth listening to. Probably why I couldn't follow the plot very well. Is that how real cops talk to each other, I guess, but I don't care.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Dec 30, 2016 11:57:47 GMT -5
ESB ANH TFA RotS RotJ AotC TPM
Have yet to see Rogue One.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Nov 8, 2016 22:38:35 GMT -5
"He's a weak general election candidate. We need Hillary Clinton."
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Nov 5, 2016 15:52:47 GMT -5
On the comedies question, I'll say either the Everybody Loves Raymond episode where Ray's parents back their car into his living room or "The Contest" episode of Seinfeld.
Songs that provoke memories ... just a lot of stuff that was on MTV in or around 1997, because that was when I was in second year of high school and made some new friends and really started discovering newly released music for the first time (I'd just been into classic rock before.) So, Verve Pipe, Counting Crows, Duncan Sheik, Tonic, Sheryl Crow, Collective Soul and of course Be Here Now all remind me of high school. And if I find something new to me that came out in 1997, I try to be more receptive to it.
Favorite thread on L4E?
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Oct 7, 2016 18:28:18 GMT -5
US version. I love dinosaurs.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Sept 19, 2016 23:48:41 GMT -5
Couple quotes come to mind that I've been holding on to recently:
"It's easier to put on slippers than to carpet the whole world." - Al Franken
“Always remember, others may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them, and then you destroy yourself.” - Richard Nixon
Favorite action film?
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Sept 12, 2016 9:22:27 GMT -5
i agree with wingsofspeed, biden should step in now. I'm not sure you meant me, as it was batfink30 who mentioned Biden. Do I agree with that ... um, there was talk during the primary that higher ups at the DNC wanted to nominate him if Hillary was indicted, snubbing Bernie Sanders altogether. Not the right thing to do, but if they did it now, I wouldn't be too upset. I might even be convinced to drop Jill Stein for him. But that's probably what they would do and it's loopy that the go-to guy would be someone who had declined to even run.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Sept 11, 2016 22:54:21 GMT -5
politics aside for a minute.... something is going on with hillary. every time i see her she's wearing outfits as big as a tent. holding on to railings to keep her balance. she doesn't look well. this concerns me because it's looking more and more like she is going to be our next president. Worryingly prescient @id1edreamer. But it's a case of whether you want a President whose physical health isn't what it should be, or a President whose mental health is not what it should be. I know which one I'd rather opt for. Anyone who wants to be the president can only be as mentally healthy as someone can be after they've had the arrogance to figure they know what's best for 320 million people. Just a thought.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Sept 10, 2016 14:35:10 GMT -5
Should've thought to screen cap it for the url but I opened this site in Android Chrome about an hour ago and I got this:
If it means anything, I got the same thing with that "City of Wyandotte user" on iOS Safari years ago and it was also when I was on here.
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Sept 9, 2016 22:11:50 GMT -5
(I assume we're also throwing calories/health concerns out the window) Breakfast (modified from the Dexter opening sequence): grilled ham steak, three eggs sunny side up with hot sauce, hash browns, milk, juice of a fresh blood orange, and a blueberry muffin Lunch: Coquille St Jacques scallops, crab cake, battered fried clams, fresh asparagus, iced tea, strawberry daiquiri Dinner: Caesar salad to start, followed by Beef Wellington with hollandaise on the side, some Yorkshire puddings, fresh broccoli, roasted carrots, corn casserole, and white truffle mashed potatoes topped off with a nice Burgundy. And if I can add dessert, Baked Alaska.
What's been the happiest year of your life so far?
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Sept 9, 2016 15:54:53 GMT -5
Donnie. A man of science and had the only weapon in the first NES game that was worth a damn.
What advice would you give the next person to take your job?
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