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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 4, 2016 17:29:26 GMT -5
About I'm Outta Time..
I used to think the lyrics went:
"Out to sea
is the only place I honestly
can get myself some piece of mind.
You know it's getting hard to find."
Would have made more sense and IT RHYMES!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 4, 2016 17:34:02 GMT -5
I'm glad this thread has been entertaining and interesting at the same time.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Aug 4, 2016 17:41:03 GMT -5
I agree, the production was definitely at its worst on HC. However, the songs themselves were much stronger than DBTT and DOYS. HC would be the last time Noel would write proper ballads and anthems until he went solo years later. In terms of anthems HC is definitely better than DOYS, but in terms of songs itself I think DOYS is better. Bag It Up, The Turning, The Shock Of The Lightning, Falling Down, even High Horse Lady has some redeeming features. I think DOYS was a pretty solid album which I can listen to without skipping anything (yes, that includes TNOR and Muffins), although I usually listen to individual tracks. Anyway, apples and oranges really, and it's where taste comes into play. Very different styles. I think this sums it up. And it comes down to what we would prefer from an album. Would we rather have 4 strong singles, a few of which stand alongside the strongest stuff they've ever done and the rest being not so good - or a solid(ish) overall album without the killer singles. Whichever way you look at it, i think if i got into a band and they have 4 singles like the ones off HC, that would be enough to get me into them. There is so many bands you listen to and go to listen to their album and find all the songs a let down. Either way the most annoying thing for me is hearing Noel's two solo albums and realising he could have put so much more effort into the structure, songwriting, managing, production and everything else to do with everything post 2000. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Aug 5, 2016 0:43:06 GMT -5
Let's be honest here. If Heathen Chemistry were recorded at Ridge Farm Studios during winter 96/97 with white powder falling from the sky, it would've been that much better.  |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 5, 2016 0:54:29 GMT -5
Let's be honest here. If Heathen Chemistry were recorded at Ridge Farm Studios during winter 96/97 with white powder falling from the sky, it would've been that much better. I agree. Throw Owen Morris into the mix, Brian Cannon doing a decent artwork cover, and suddenly you have another classic Oasis album again. |
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Post by standbymoi on Aug 5, 2016 4:11:06 GMT -5
I think they thought HC was their Rubber Soul by The Beatles, DBBT was their Revolver and DOYS their Sgt. Pepper. Wish they'd of ditched the retro sounds and just sounded like Oasis, like they did on the first 4 albums. Saw them on the tour, nice setlist. Noel and Liam had the serious 'arse' with each other though, as though they didn't want to be there. Some photos I took here oasisliveshows.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/oasis-brighton-centre-live-2002.html?m=1 |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 5, 2016 10:06:45 GMT -5
I think they thought HC was their Rubber Soul by The Beatles, DBBT was their Revolver and DOYS their Sgt. Pepper. Wish they'd of ditched the retro sounds and just sounded like Oasis, like they did on the first 4 albums. Saw them on the tour, nice setlist. Noel and Liam had the serious 'arse' with each other though, as though they didn't want to be there. Some photos I took here oasisliveshows.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/oasis-brighton-centre-live-2002.html?m=1Nice photos mate, good to see the old days  I don't know if that was part of the UK or even whole tour, as it was the same for both nights at Birmingham when I was there (professional capacity I hadn't paid for two lots of tickets!) Good support from The Bandits (first night) and OCS (second night) but the atmosphere was flat, sound not very good to say the least and Liam in particular looked like he would rather be anywhere else but here to quote Elvis Costello. |
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 5, 2016 10:19:42 GMT -5
Let's be honest here. If Heathen Chemistry were recorded at Ridge Farm Studios during winter 96/97 with white powder falling from the sky, it would've been that much better. With Stent-driven, "SOTSOG-style", production/arrangement, then this Heathen Chemistry could have been jolly solid: Heathen Chemistry1. The Hindu Times [Demo Version w/ Liam Vox] 2. Songbird [Liam Vox] 3. Shout it Out Loud [Liam Vox] 4. Stop Crying Your Heart Out [Closer to demo] 5. The Roller 6. - 7. Revolution Song [Liam Vox] 8. The Heart of a Star [Liam Vox] 9. Born on a Different Cloud 10. - 11. Idler's Dream 12. It's a Crime [Liam Vox] #1: The Hindu Times #2: Stop Crying Your Heart Out - Album - #3: The Roller / Songbird #4: It's a Crime With the interludes being excerpts from "The Cage". This could have followed from this SOTSOG: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants1. Fuckin' in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 3. Who Feels Love? 4. Little by Little [Liam Vox] 5. Let's All Make Believe 6. - 7. Gas Panic! 8. Where Did it All Go Wrong? [Liam Vox] 8. Sunday Morning Call [Liam Vox] 9. Full On [Liam Vox] 10. - 11. One Way Road [Liam Vox] 12. Roll it Over #1: Go Let it Out #2: Little by Little #3: Where Did it All Go Wrong? - Album - #4: Let's All Make Believe And everyone would have been like... "Woah, man, what do you think of this totally rad new dark-Oasis?" And everyone else would have been like... "Right?! I mean, they'll never top Be Here Now - what with it's brilliant, expansive production and totally unsurprising inclusion of Stay Young and Going Nowhere - but I sure am glad their career post-2000 isn't devolving into a lazy puddle of generic dad-rock shite." "Ha! As if that would ever happen!" |
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 5, 2016 10:21:44 GMT -5
Let's be honest here. If Heathen Chemistry were recorded at Ridge Farm Studios during winter 96/97 with white powder falling from the sky, it would've been that much better. The songs and the melodies were there during the HC era, the problem was the execution, the album could have been miles better with a great producer, a better performance from Liam (he sounded bored on HC) and Noel being more animated with his work. |
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Post by nutsngum on Aug 5, 2016 10:31:13 GMT -5
I think they thought HC was their Rubber Soul by The Beatles, DBBT was their Revolver and DOYS their Sgt. Pepper. Wish they'd of ditched the retro sounds and just sounded like Oasis, like they did on the first 4 albums. Saw them on the tour, nice setlist. Noel and Liam had the serious 'arse' with each other though, as though they didn't want to be there. Some photos I took here oasisliveshows.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/oasis-brighton-centre-live-2002.html?m=1Nice photos mate, good to see the old days I don't know if that was part of the UK or even whole tour, as it was the same for both nights at Birmingham when I was there (professional capacity I hadn't paid for two lots of tickets!) Good support from The Bandits (first night) and OCS (second night) but the atmosphere was flat, sound not very good to say the least and Liam in particular looked like he would rather be anywhere else but here to quote Elvis Costello. My recollection of that is that Ocean Colour Scene were brilliant in the support slot. Played a greatest hits apart from two new songs. Home crowd behind them. Oasis seemed to be going through the motions in comparison. Atmosphere for when Oasis was on was bog standard. |
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Post by beentherenow on Aug 5, 2016 10:56:07 GMT -5
Nice photos mate, good to see the old days I don't know if that was part of the UK or even whole tour, as it was the same for both nights at Birmingham when I was there (professional capacity I hadn't paid for two lots of tickets!) Good support from The Bandits (first night) and OCS (second night) but the atmosphere was flat, sound not very good to say the least and Liam in particular looked like he would rather be anywhere else but here to quote Elvis Costello. My recollection of that is that Ocean Colour Scene were brilliant in the support slot. Played a greatest hits apart from two new songs. Home crowd behind them. Oasis seemed to be going through the motions in comparison. Atmosphere for when Oasis was on was bog standard. Yep, OCS were amazing that night, Oasis just weren't I think Liam was suffering from post Munich meltdown and Noel couldn't be arsed and was probably thinking about his Xmas dinner |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 5, 2016 10:59:15 GMT -5
My recollection of that is that Ocean Colour Scene were brilliant in the support slot. Played a greatest hits apart from two new songs. Home crowd behind them. Oasis seemed to be going through the motions in comparison. Atmosphere for when Oasis was on was bog standard. Yep, OCS were amazing that night, Oasis just weren't I think Liam was suffering from post Munich meltdown and Noel couldn't be arsed and was probably honking about his Xmas dinner I would love to have read that in the Birmingham Mail review!  |
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 5, 2016 11:03:52 GMT -5
I have a big problem with Hung in a Bad Place, the band sounds very good, but Liam on the other hand...
Liam sounds very bored on HC, like if he sung on the album just for the sake of it, for the most part he sounds like he doesn't mean what he is singing about, this is very visible on HIABP in particular.
Imagine HIABP with that BHN era venon in his voice, that fire like on My Big Mouth you know, hell even on Love Like a Bomb from DBTT he sounds like he means it, despite his very rough vocal performance on that song.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 11:07:12 GMT -5
Let's be honest here. If Heathen Chemistry were recorded at Ridge Farm Studios during winter 96/97 with white powder falling from the sky, it would've been that much better. With much darker and better, "SOTSOG-style", production/arrangement (that's the key for me), then this Heathen Chemistry could have been jolly solid. HEATHEN CHEMISTRY [2002] 1. The Hindu Times [Demo Version w/ Liam Vox] 2. Force of Nature [Liam Vox] 3. Little by Little [Darker, Liam Vox] 4. Songbird 5. Stop Crying Your Heart Out [Closer to demo] 6. Just Getting Older 7. The Roller 8. Shout it Out Loud [Liam Vox] 9. Revolution Song [Liam Vox] 10. Idler's Dream 11. It's a Crime [Liam Vox] #1: The Hindu Times #2: Little by Little #3: Stop Crying Your Heart Out - Album - #4: The Roller / Songbird #5: It's a Crime I think the issue most people have with these records is the "darker" vibe of them. Oasis was all about the joy of music, partying, getting people off their asses and jumping around... SOTSOG fell flat because a "darker" Oasis is a less interesting and enjoyable product. Additionally, Liam couldn't sing songs like Force Of Nature and Little By Little and due them any justice. They clash terribly with his style of singing. Am I the only one here who doesn't assume Liam's voice would make every song better somehow? I've never understood this line of reasoning. Liam is an iconic singer with a unique voice, but not every song is enhanced with him singing. The Roller was right to be left off the album, and Just Getting Older is not album quality material... it fits nicely as a b-side. to appease those who care about such things... this is clearly only my personal opinion on the matter at hand. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 5, 2016 11:10:11 GMT -5
With much darker and better, "SOTSOG-style", production/arrangement (that's the key for me), then this Heathen Chemistry could have been jolly solid. HEATHEN CHEMISTRY [2002] 1. The Hindu Times [Demo Version w/ Liam Vox] 2. Force of Nature [Liam Vox] 3. Little by Little [Darker, Liam Vox] 4. Songbird 5. Stop Crying Your Heart Out [Closer to demo] 6. Just Getting Older 7. The Roller 8. Shout it Out Loud [Liam Vox] 9. Revolution Song [Liam Vox] 10. Idler's Dream 11. It's a Crime [Liam Vox] #1: The Hindu Times #2: Little by Little #3: Stop Crying Your Heart Out - Album - #4: The Roller / Songbird #5: It's a Crime This could have followed from this SOTSOG: STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS (!) OF GIANTS [2000] 1. Fuckin' in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 3. Who Feels Love? 4. Where Did it All Go Wrong? (Closer to demo) 5. Let's All Make Believe 6. Teotihuacan 7. Gas Panic! 8. Sunday Morning Call 9. Full On 10. One Way Road 11. Roll it Over #1: Go Let it Out #2: Where Did it All Go Wrong? - Album - #3: Let's All Make Believe And everyone would have been like... "Woah, man, what do you think of this totally rad new dark-Oasis?" And everyone else would have been like... "Right?! I mean, they'll never top Be Here Now - what with it's brilliant, expansive production and totally unsurprising inclusion of Stay Young and Going Nowhere - but I sure am glad their career post-2000 isn't devolving into a lazy puddle of generic MOR shite." "Ha! As if that would ever happen!" I think the issue most people have with these records is the "darker" vibe of them. Oasis was all about the joy of music, partying, getting people off their asses and jumping around... SOTSOG fell flat because a "darker" Oasis is a less interesting and enjoyable product. Additionally, Liam couldn't sing songs like Force Of Nature and Little By Little and due them any justice. They clash terribly with his style of singing. Am I the only one here who doesn't assume Liam's voice would make every song better somehow? I've never understood this line of reasoning. Liam is an iconic singer with a unique voice, but not every song is enhanced with him singing. The Roller was right to be left off the album, and Just Getting Older is not album quality material... it fits nicely as a b-side. to appease those who care about such things... this is clearly only my personal opinion on the matter at hand.Oh I agree. Liam's voice isn't made for every song. I think Oasis did a great job at picking who should sing what. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 5, 2016 11:11:23 GMT -5
I have a big problem with Hung in a Bad Place, the band sounds very good, but Liam on the other hand... Liam sounds very bored on HC, like if he sung on the album just for the sake of it, for the most part he sounds like he doesn't mean what he is singing about, this is very visible on HIABP in particular. Imagine HIABP with that BHN era venon in his voice, that fire like on My Big Mouth you know, hell even on Love Like a Bomb from DBTT he sounds like he means it, despite his very rough vocal performance on that song. An improved vocal performance could not have saved that song. That and Love Like A Bomb are two of my least favourite vocal performances by Liam. At least Love Like A Bomb has a nice backing track. |
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Post by standbymoi on Aug 5, 2016 11:40:00 GMT -5
I think they thought HC was their Rubber Soul by The Beatles, DBBT was their Revolver and DOYS their Sgt. Pepper. Wish they'd of ditched the retro sounds and just sounded like Oasis, like they did on the first 4 albums. Saw them on the tour, nice setlist. Noel and Liam had the serious 'arse' with each other though, as though they didn't want to be there. Some photos I took here oasisliveshows.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/oasis-brighton-centre-live-2002.html?m=1Nice photos mate, good to see the old days I don't know if that was part of the UK or even whole tour, as it was the same for both nights at Birmingham when I was there (professional capacity I hadn't paid for two lots of tickets!) Good support from The Bandits (first night) and OCS (second night) but the atmosphere was flat, sound not very good to say the least and Liam in particular looked like he would rather be anywhere else but here to quote Elvis Costello. Thanks man. Yeah as someone else here mentioned it was after the Munich teeth knocked out incident, so Noel would of been p**sed at how much money it cost the band. Noel played the Ryan Adams version of Wonderwall that night and asked the crowd not to sing along the original way. Off course 5,000 rowdy drunk people did and he cut the song halfway through and walked off stage in a strop to the sound of boos down the front, before the whole band came back out together to finish the electric set. Then the next day the Daily Star newspaper misquoted something Noel offensively said towards the crowd (can't remember what), which resulted in him suing them apparently. |
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 5, 2016 12:48:49 GMT -5
With much darker and better, "SOTSOG-style", production/arrangement (that's the key for me), then this Heathen Chemistry could have been jolly solid. HEATHEN CHEMISTRY [2002] 1. The Hindu Times [Demo Version w/ Liam Vox] 2. Force of Nature [Liam Vox] 3. Little by Little [Darker, Liam Vox] 4. Songbird 5. Stop Crying Your Heart Out [Closer to demo] 6. Just Getting Older 7. The Roller 8. Shout it Out Loud [Liam Vox] 9. Revolution Song [Liam Vox] 10. Idler's Dream 11. It's a Crime [Liam Vox] #1: The Hindu Times #2: Little by Little #3: Stop Crying Your Heart Out - Album - #4: The Roller / Songbird #5: It's a Crime I think the issue most people have with these records is the "darker" vibe of them. Oasis was all about the joy of music, partying, getting people off their asses and jumping around... SOTSOG fell flat because a "darker" Oasis is a less interesting and enjoyable product. Additionally, Liam couldn't sing songs like Force Of Nature and Little By Little and due them any justice. They clash terribly with his style of singing. Am I the only one here who doesn't assume Liam's voice would make every song better somehow? I've never understood this line of reasoning. Liam is an iconic singer with a unique voice, but not every song is enhanced with him singing. The Roller was right to be left off the album, and Just Getting Older is not album quality material... it fits nicely as a b-side. to appease those who care about such things... this is clearly only my personal opinion on the matter at hand.Honestly, I'd think most people's issue with these records is that they have loads of shit songs on them rather than the dark sound. I can't speak for anyone else - but after 2000, I think Oasis were much more interesting and enjoyable when they were dark and sad rather than joyous and celebratory. Go Let it Out and The Importance of Being Idle are the only songs in the latter category that I really enjoy, and they just can't stack up against Where Did it All Go Wrong?, Let's All Make Believe, Gas Panic!, Roll it Over, The Hindu Times (Demo), Idler's Dream, Falling Down etc... As they are, Force of Nature and Little by Little do suit Noel's voice better - but, if they were arranged and produced to be more heavy and dark (Think the Hindu Times' demo), then Liam's becomes the obvious choice. I kind of agree about The Roller, probably wouldn't fit the mood of the album - but I think Just Getting Older does and would be a nice mood-setter. |
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Post by Regi on Aug 5, 2016 14:40:43 GMT -5
Been listening to Heathen Chemistry over the past couple of days due to this thread. The way I see it, if you get 2 or 3 songs that you really like from an album then it's done it's job. Oasis were kind of spoiling us in the early days, and every album since has had at least 2 or 3 songs that I think are great. Heathen Chemistry is one of those albums.
I fucking love The Hindu Times. Classic upbeat Oasis rock 'n' roll tune. It demands to be played very loudly. I put it up there with my favourite Oasis songs.
Force of Nature. I find this difficult to listen to. Noel is not suited to singing these types of songs. It doesn't really go anywhere. I don't mind the outro, not least because it means that this dogshit is almost over.
Hung In A Bad Place. "Nothing to do with weird sex". A bit Status Quo, a straight-forward rocker, not much thought goes into it, but I like it. I can sit and tap my foot to that one.
Stop Crying Your Heart is great, uplifting. Liam's best vocal on the album. I don't listen to this nearly enough as I should.
Songbird. A wee belter of a tune.
Little By Little. It's good. I have been in several pubs where everyone has been on their feet belting it out. An anthem.
A Quick Peep. What's the point?
Probably All In The Mind. I wish this was all in the mind and never fucking committed to record.
She Is Love. Come back A Quick Peep, all is forgiven.
Born on a Different Cloud. This is more like it. A good effort from Liam, although it does go on a bit. I thought it sounded really good live.
Better Man. I like the music. Find the lyrics a bit cringe.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 5, 2016 15:09:53 GMT -5
There hasn't been this much Heathen Chemistry chatter since 2002!
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There hasn't been this much Heathen Chemistry chatter since 2002! You're welcome. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 15:36:06 GMT -5
Would Dave Sardy have saved this record?
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Post by jupi on Aug 5, 2016 15:44:44 GMT -5
Like someone pointed out on this forum years ago: the biggest problem with 00's Oasis was that it was preceded by the 90's Oasis.
SOTSOG, HC, DBTT and DOYS could be rated at least a tad bit higher if we wouldn't compare them to the classic Oasis era. It's hard to see the good sides of the albums if you know how great the band used to be - it's always paying attention to what's not in there. And why not? Noel set the bar so high with the first three albums. It didn't help either that the band kept releasing a bunch of B-sides per album so that the fanbase could hear the potential album tracks and dwelve into the world of endless "what it could've been...!" conversations.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 5, 2016 15:55:12 GMT -5
Would Dave Sardy have saved this record?   In all seriousness though it depends which Dave Sardy turned up. I am not a fan of his work in particular but the one who produced 'Get Born' and to a certain extent 'Shine On' by Jet may well have worked. I say this because Heathen Chemistry was to all intents and purposes an attempt to return to basic rock n' roll after the attempts at deviating on SOTSOG, which is precisely what Jet's derivative but highly successful sound was. I don't know if he could have influenced things like song choices but if he could have breathed some life into those songs then maybe it could have been more commercially and critically successful, although that is depending on as I said before if he was able to tap into the mood of the record the way he did with Jet. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 15:56:17 GMT -5
Would Dave Sardy have saved this record? Saved is probably too strong a word. He certainly wouldn't have hurt this record. Sardy lacks many abilities required to be a top shelf producer, but the one thing he excels at is making a record sound like it belongs together. HC definitely feels like a group of tracks rather than a cohesive album. In that aspect, I think he could have aided things. |
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