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Post by nutsngum on Aug 4, 2016 7:49:45 GMT -5
The Cage LIVE?! At least I'd know when to get the beers in... Why not? If it was done live as they come out it would have harked back to days of The Swamp Song when they came out and played it before Liam come out Assuming you're not on the wind-up... Not sure The Cage really gets a crowd pumped up...? More something to accompany the valium. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 7:50:18 GMT -5
Still waiting for someone to put "in my opinion" before all of these, what seem like, statements on how good this album is. On a forum like this, the phrase "In My Opinion" should be assumed. Saying it comes off as kind of a douchey thing to say.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 8:02:18 GMT -5
It's nice to read a thread in which people have actually discussed a topic at length. A few thoughts this morning...
1) HC's lack of album quality is in no way reason to scrap the back end of Oasis catalogue. Without HC we would miss out on a good number of great tunes. My personal favorite... The Turning.
2) After the debacle of recording SOTSOG (mostly in a mansion in France), I'm not surprised at all that Oasis turned to doing a record themselves on the "cheap" as it were. The album suffers for it, but it does take a certain amount of balls to do it so late in ones career. Clearly they regretted that decision... seeing as they went back to working with a producer for the next cycle.
3) Liam voice... someone was wondering what Liam would sound like singing like a normal person... go back and watch some early Oasis. In particular, Oasis on MTV 1994... they sing Live Forever and Whatever in a very chill environment with Bonehead on piano. The delivery is effortless and smooth. Quite different from what we all typically think of as a Liam vocal.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 4, 2016 8:08:51 GMT -5
Still waiting for someone to put "in my opinion" before all of these, what seem like, statements on how good this album is. On a forum like this, the phrase "In My Opinion" should be assumed. Saying it comes off as kind of a douchey thing to say. Sorry! I have been guilty of that    |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 4, 2016 8:16:10 GMT -5
3) Liam voice... someone was wondering what Liam would sound like singing like a normal person... go back and watch some early Oasis. In particular, Oasis on MTV 1994... they sing Live Forever and Whatever in a very chill environment with Bonehead on piano. The delivery is effortless and smooth. Quite different from what we all typically think of as a Liam vocal. This. On the Definitely Maybe 10th anniversary DVD Mark Coyle talks about Liam's voice changing, and how he used to have "A really sweet voice". I think the combination of Liam's desire to sound like "a cross between John Lennon and John Lydon" and his general 1990's lifestyle is the reason his vocal turned out like it did, followed by the long term decline of his voice. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 4, 2016 9:01:02 GMT -5
Why not? If it was done live as they come out it would have harked back to days of The Swamp Song when they came out and played it before Liam come out Assuming you're not on the wind-up... Not sure The Cage really gets a crowd pumped up...? More something to accompany the valium.  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 4, 2016 9:19:06 GMT -5
Why don't you start first? I've never read "in my opinion" in front of your posts  In my opinion, the worst thing about Heathen Chemistry is it stopped Noel even trying to create anthemic songs that Oasis fans wanted on their latter albums. The problem wasn't the singles. Which were the strongest set of singles on anything after BHN. Yet because of the backlash because of the rest of the album, noel then decided to go down a different route and as much as I love some of his DBTT and DOES songs, they lacked the killer anthems that even HC delivered. I think people on this forum are way too critical about Oasis. I think you could give me any rock band. U2, Black Sabbath, AC-DC etc. Truly huge bands of their genre and they have derivative, poor efforts on their albums yet it became cool to slam Oasis and I think as a result it filters through to fans who come down way too hard on songs and band members. In my opinion of course. Really? I think Lyla is pretty anthemic. I've always thought DBTT and HC were pretty similar in terms of quality. DBTT having the better (which doesn't mean much) albumtracks and HC having the better B-sides. Both have killer sides so that evens it out I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 9:24:31 GMT -5
The case for Heathen Chemistry..... goes straight in the bin along with the CD inside it. Post of the year. |
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Post by andymorris on Aug 4, 2016 9:30:05 GMT -5
I enjoyed HC when it came out, i enjoyed Finsbury park in 2002 and i still enjoy HC from time to time
Sure, it's not their best album, but so what ? There's way worse records on this planet, and with the bsides, you can have a better record overall.
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Post by supernovadragon on Aug 4, 2016 9:39:20 GMT -5
Why not? If it was done live as they come out it would have harked back to days of The Swamp Song when they came out and played it before Liam come out Assuming you're not on the wind-up... Not sure The Cage really gets a crowd pumped up...? More something to accompany the valium. Does The Swamp Song on The Masterplan CD get you pumped up? Because it doesn't do it for me even though the live version does |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 9:53:31 GMT -5
The case for Heathen Chemistry..... goes straight in the bin along with the CD inside it. Post of the year. Nowadays most people won't even have a case to throw in the bin. Thanks digital media. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 10:32:27 GMT -5
Nowadays most people won't even have a case to throw in the bin. Thanks digital media. Once it's been made digital, it can never truly be destroyed....  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 4, 2016 10:45:04 GMT -5
Why don't you start first? I've never read "in my opinion" in front of your posts In my opinion, the worst thing about Heathen Chemistry is it stopped Noel even trying to create anthemic songs that Oasis fans wanted on their latter albums. The problem wasn't the singles. Which were the strongest set of singles on anything after BHN. Yet because of the backlash because of the rest of the album, noel then decided to go down a different route and as much as I love some of his DBTT and DOES songs, they lacked the killer anthems that even HC delivered. I think people on this forum are way too critical about Oasis. I think you could give me any rock band. U2, Black Sabbath, AC-DC etc. Truly huge bands of their genre and they have derivative, poor efforts on their albums yet it became cool to slam Oasis and I think as a result it filters through to fans who come down way too hard on songs and band members. In my opinion of course. Believe you me, all fan forums have albums they bitch and despise. U2 fans hate No Line On The Horizon, Radiohead fans complain about The King of Limbs or Pablo Honey, Arcade Fire fans are down on Neon Bible, Coldplay fans bash Mylo and A Head Full of Dreams. It doesn't mean they still don't love the band. They are just so passionate about music and sometimes it can hurt. |
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Post by arthurmorgan on Aug 4, 2016 11:25:48 GMT -5
The only song I really like is Stop Crying Your Heart Out. Apart from that I prefer all the Noel-written B-Sides over every album track.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 11:35:40 GMT -5
so because we are fans means we cant have negative points about the band....ok....
heathen chemistry is as good as DM, nothing wrong with it, great production, not a problem in sight, oasis was still as good as the day they split as when they started.
theres no "slamming" about it, people generally dont like HC so why should they praise it?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 4, 2016 13:00:04 GMT -5
so because we are fans means we cant have negative points about the band....ok.... heathen chemistry is as good as DM, nothing wrong with it, great production, not a problem in sight, oasis was still as good as the day they split as when they started. theres no "slamming" about it, people generally dont like HC so why should they praise it? With some people you just can't win though. You'll get shit when you slag an album off, you get shit when you say it's as good as DM.. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Aug 4, 2016 13:30:19 GMT -5
This is becoming paradoxical
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 4, 2016 14:58:27 GMT -5
Completely forgot about Probably All In The Mind when discussing all tracks on the previous page...gee, wonder why? Oh and the production on HC, or rather lack there of, is definitely worse than on DOYS. I agree, the production was definitely at its worst on HC. However, the songs themselves were much stronger than DBTT and DOYS. HC would be the last time Noel would write proper ballads and anthems until he went solo years later. Had the songs been produced with a better sound, HC would score far higher on here. DBTT and DOYS definitely sound better productions, but unfortunately the songs themselves are utter shit. Its like putting perfume on a pig. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 4, 2016 15:03:37 GMT -5
Completely forgot about Probably All In The Mind when discussing all tracks on the previous page...gee, wonder why? Oh and the production on HC, or rather lack there of, is definitely worse than on DOYS. I agree, the production was definitely at its worst on HC. However, the songs themselves were much stronger than DBTT and DOYS. HC would be the last time Noel would write proper ballads and anthems until he went solo years later. In terms of anthems HC is definitely better than DOYS, but in terms of songs itself I think DOYS is better. Bag It Up, The Turning, The Shock Of The Lightning, Falling Down, even High Horse Lady has some redeeming features. I think DOYS was a pretty solid album which I can listen to without skipping anything (yes, that includes TNOR and Muffins), although I usually listen to individual tracks. Anyway, apples and oranges really, and it's where taste comes into play. Very different styles. |
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 4, 2016 15:13:15 GMT -5
I agree, the production was definitely at its worst on HC. However, the songs themselves were much stronger than DBTT and DOYS. HC would be the last time Noel would write proper ballads and anthems until he went solo years later. In terms of anthems HC is definitely better than DOYS, but in terms of songs itself I think DOYS is better. Bag It Up, The Turning, The Shock Of The Lightning, Falling Down, even High Horse Lady has some redeeming features. I think DOYS was a pretty solid album which I can listen to without skipping anything (yes, that includes TNOR and Muffins), although I usually listen to individual tracks. Anyway, apples and oranges really, and it's where taste comes into play. Very different styles. With the exception of The Hindu Times (Demo Version), Falling Down obliterates what anything on Heathen Chemistry was or had the potential to be. One of my all-time Oasis favourites. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 4, 2016 15:18:03 GMT -5
In terms of anthems HC is definitely better than DOYS, but in terms of songs itself I think DOYS is better. Bag It Up, The Turning, The Shock Of The Lightning, Falling Down, even High Horse Lady has some redeeming features. I think DOYS was a pretty solid album which I can listen to without skipping anything (yes, that includes TNOR and Muffins), although I usually listen to individual tracks. Anyway, apples and oranges really, and it's where taste comes into play. Very different styles. With the exception of The Hindu Times (Demo Version), Falling Down obliterates what anything on Heathen Chemistry was or had the potential to be. One of my all-time Oasis favourites. Falling Down is pretty good, I admit. The 3 singles from DOYS are the only decent tracks to come out of DBTT and DOYS. But are they better than some of the album tracks and B sides from HC? I'd say probably not. |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Aug 4, 2016 16:01:05 GMT -5
With the exception of The Hindu Times (Demo Version), Falling Down obliterates what anything on Heathen Chemistry was or had the potential to be. One of my all-time Oasis favourites. Falling Down is pretty good, I admit. The 3 singles from DOYS are the only decent tracks to come out of DBTT and DOYS. But are they better than some of the album tracks and B sides from HC? I'd say probably not. What about TIOBI? To me, that's the last great Oasis song. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 16:02:08 GMT -5
With the exception of The Hindu Times (Demo Version), Falling Down obliterates what anything on Heathen Chemistry was or had the potential to be. One of my all-time Oasis favourites. Falling Down is pretty good, I admit. The 3 singles from DOYS are the only decent tracks to come out of DBTT and DOYS. But are they better than some of the album tracks and B sides from HC? I'd say probably not. 'I'm Outta Time' is actually pretty bland. I much more prefer 'The Importance of Being Idle', 'Lyla', and even 'Let There Be Love' to that one. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Aug 4, 2016 16:07:24 GMT -5
Falling Down is pretty good, I admit. The 3 singles from DOYS are the only decent tracks to come out of DBTT and DOYS. But are they better than some of the album tracks and B sides from HC? I'd say probably not. 'I'm Outta Time' is actually pretty bland. I much more prefer 'The Importance of Being Idle', 'Lyla', and even 'Let There Be Love' to that one. Horses for courses. TIOBI I don't mind, but Lyla and LTBL I would definitely rate as bland. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 16:24:38 GMT -5
Im outta time was a great somber goodbye song for oasis imo, the lyrics are quite fitting
"heres a song it reminds me of when we were young Looking back at all the things we've done" looking back on the start of oasis and everything theyve achieved since then.
You know it's getting hard to fly alluding to live forever "maybe I just wanna fly" and feeling like they are coming down from the success.
the rest of the song kind of speaks for itself, with the song closing out to "im outta time" as oasis came to an end, as someone said a while ago, Liams voice sounding so worn on the last tour made the song abit more meaningful.
Im not saying im outta time is about oasis cause its obviously NOT, I know this, its just kind of nice that it came on the last album and it generally fits that oasis was in fact out of time.
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