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Post by Derrick on Apr 20, 2023 13:08:23 GMT -5
www.music-news.com/news/UK/157862/It-split-my-fanbase-Why-Noel-Gallagher-knew-he-needed-to-move-away-from-psychedelic-sound'It split my fanbase': Why Noel Gallagher knew he needed to move away from psychedelic sound Noel Gallagher thought it would be a "good idea" to move away from the experimental sound of his last album after alienating a lot of fans. The former Oasis rocker acknowledged his 2017 record 'Who Built the Moon?' had "split" his fanbase because it was "a bit far out" so he's hoping to win back his supporters with his upcoming LP 'Council Skies'. He told the Daily Star newspaper's Wired column: "I guess the last album I made, the last proper album, was quite electronic and psychedelic and a bit far out. "I guess because it kind of split my fanbase. A lot of people loved it, a lot of people didn't like it. "I thought it might be a good idea not to make another one like that for a while." The 'Holy Mountain' hitmaker teased the songs on the record will be "quite reflective" because they were written amid the COVID-19 pandemic. He added: "The thought process behind it is that I grew up in Manchester. "It was very grey and industrial and the only colour in your life was the sky when the sky is blue. "I would daydream. The song 'Council Skies' is about that. "Then, when I wrote that, it suddenly dawned on me that a lot of the album is quite reflective. "Overall, it's kind of a reflective story because all of the songs were written in lockdown in 2020 and it was quite a reflective time for everybody, because you were forced to stay at home thinking about what the f*** was going on in the world." And Noel is confident the album will do well because he doesn't think he will have much competition in the charts. He moaned: "There's nothing in the charts - it all sounds the same."
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Post by Supersonic on Apr 20, 2023 13:10:37 GMT -5
www.music-news.com/news/UK/157862/It-split-my-fanbase-Why-Noel-Gallagher-knew-he-needed-to-move-away-from-psychedelic-sound'It split my fanbase': Why Noel Gallagher knew he needed to move away from psychedelic sound Noel Gallagher thought it would be a "good idea" to move away from the experimental sound of his last album after alienating a lot of fans. The former Oasis rocker acknowledged his 2017 record 'Who Built the Moon?' had "split" his fanbase because it was "a bit far out" so he's hoping to win back his supporters with his upcoming LP 'Council Skies'. He told the Daily Star newspaper's Wired column: "I guess the last album I made, the last proper album, was quite electronic and psychedelic and a bit far out. "I guess because it kind of split my fanbase. A lot of people loved it, a lot of people didn't like it. "I thought it might be a good idea not to make another one like that for a while." The 'Holy Mountain' hitmaker teased the songs on the record will be "quite reflective" because they were written amid the COVID-19 pandemic. He added: "The thought process behind it is that I grew up in Manchester. "It was very grey and industrial and the only colour in your life was the sky when the sky is blue. "I would daydream. The song 'Council Skies' is about that. "Then, when I wrote that, it suddenly dawned on me that a lot of the album is quite reflective. "Overall, it's kind of a reflective story because all of the songs were written in lockdown in 2020 and it was quite a reflective time for everybody, because you were forced to stay at home thinking about what the f*** was going on in the world." And Noel is confident the album will do well because he doesn't think he will have much competition in the charts. He moaned: "There's nothing in the charts - it all sounds the same." Is this the same man who supposedly doesn't care what his fans think?
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 20, 2023 13:21:24 GMT -5
He might not be aware that The Foo Fighters release their new album on the same day. Or maybe he does know, but let's not forget that he doesn't like them anyway or at least I don't think he does.
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 20, 2023 13:40:09 GMT -5
Brilliant.
He's right back to where he was in the dearth-days of Oasis; hampering his own creative instincts so he can pander to people's dullest ideas of a Noel Gallagher song. Who Built the Moon could have been his Revolver - an explosion point to a more expansive stretch of his career - but no, time to go back to his 2001-2006 mentality of "Oh, people didn't like that different album, better go through the motions of my own image to get them back."
Should've dived right back into the studio with David Holmes in 2018 to keep the energy going.
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Post by Thomas on Apr 20, 2023 13:52:39 GMT -5
Brilliant. He's right back to where he was in the dearth-days of Oasis; hampering his own creative instincts so he can pander to people's dullest ideas of a Noel Gallagher song. Who Built the Moon could have been his Revolver - an explosion point to a more expansive stretch of his career - but no, time to go back to his 2001-2006 mentality of "Oh, people didn't like that different album, better go through the motions of my own image to get them back." Should've dived right back into the studio with David Holmes in 2018 to keep the energy going. Spot on. So much for "not caring" about the fans, put on a show about it and now acting in such fragile manner. Bound with all the weight of all the words you tried to say, huh, Noel? Not comparing the songs or even the production per se, but Council Skies was already giving me weird HC/DBTT vibes about where Noel was creatively. Says a lot.
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 20, 2023 13:57:01 GMT -5
Brilliant. He's right back to where he was in the dearth-days of Oasis; hampering his own creative instincts so he can pander to people's dullest ideas of a Noel Gallagher song. Who Built the Moon could have been his Revolver - an explosion point to a more expansive stretch of his career - but no, time to go back to his 2001-2006 mentality of "Oh, people didn't like that different album, better go through the motions of my own image to get them back." Should've dived right back into the studio with David Holmes in 2018 to keep the energy going. Spot on. So much for "not caring" about the fans, put on a show about it and now acting in such fragile manner. Bound with all the weight of all the words you tried to say, huh, Noel? Not comparing the songs or even the production per se, but Council Skies was already giving me weird HC/DBTT vibes about where Noel was creatively. Says a lot. Even has the boring-as-fuck monochrome cover from those albums. His reaction to some fans not liking WBTM was wrong from the song; he got all bitter and defensive. Should've laughed it off, recognised that the album was a success with strong streaming numbers for him, and dived right back in to push the envelope even further. Instead of that, we have piles of mashed potato to wade through in the form of "Easy Now". May as well chuck new versions of "She is Love" and "Lyla" on there.
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Post by glider on Apr 20, 2023 14:02:58 GMT -5
Man, no way I didn't see this coming! 😂
Kept telling people in 2019 during the peak of the cosmic pop era his next album was going to be a complete 180 back and prepare for disappointment if you believed he didn't care what the "lad bois" thought. The "lads" are what makes him money. Add the recent financial hurdles due to his personal life and you'll see it was always inveitable.
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Post by dadrocker on Apr 20, 2023 14:07:03 GMT -5
Brilliant. He's right back to where he was in the dearth-days of Oasis; hampering his own creative instincts so he can pander to people's dullest ideas of a Noel Gallagher song. Who Built the Moon could have been his Revolver - an explosion point to a more expansive stretch of his career - but no, time to go back to his 2001-2006 mentality of "Oh, people didn't like that different album, better go through the motions of my own image to get them back." Should've dived right back into the studio with David Holmes in 2018 to keep the energy going. Spot on. So much for "not caring" about the fans, put on a show about it and now acting in such fragile manner. Bound with all the weight of all the words you tried to say, huh, Noel? Not comparing the songs or even the production per se, but Council Skies was already giving me weird HC/DBTT vibes about where Noel was creatively. Says a lot. Don't forget comparing Easy Now to Little by Little.
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Post by glider on Apr 20, 2023 14:07:52 GMT -5
www.music-news.com/news/UK/157862/It-split-my-fanbase-Why-Noel-Gallagher-knew-he-needed-to-move-away-from-psychedelic-sound'It split my fanbase': Why Noel Gallagher knew he needed to move away from psychedelic sound Noel Gallagher thought it would be a "good idea" to move away from the experimental sound of his last album after alienating a lot of fans. The former Oasis rocker acknowledged his 2017 record 'Who Built the Moon?' had "split" his fanbase because it was "a bit far out" so he's hoping to win back his supporters with his upcoming LP 'Council Skies'. He told the Daily Star newspaper's Wired column: "I guess the last album I made, the last proper album, was quite electronic and psychedelic and a bit far out. "I guess because it kind of split my fanbase. A lot of people loved it, a lot of people didn't like it. "I thought it might be a good idea not to make another one like that for a while." The 'Holy Mountain' hitmaker teased the songs on the record will be "quite reflective" because they were written amid the COVID-19 pandemic. He added: "The thought process behind it is that I grew up in Manchester. "It was very grey and industrial and the only colour in your life was the sky when the sky is blue. "I would daydream. The song 'Council Skies' is about that. "Then, when I wrote that, it suddenly dawned on me that a lot of the album is quite reflective. "Overall, it's kind of a reflective story because all of the songs were written in lockdown in 2020 and it was quite a reflective time for everybody, because you were forced to stay at home thinking about what the f*** was going on in the world." And Noel is confident the album will do well because he doesn't think he will have much competition in the charts. He moaned: "There's nothing in the charts - it all sounds the same." Is this the same man who supposedly doesn't care what his fans think?
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Post by dampcottage on Apr 20, 2023 15:00:35 GMT -5
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Post by AubreyOasis on Apr 20, 2023 16:17:02 GMT -5
You take Noel's words much too seriously. I would like to kindly remember you that the next singles we got after WBTM were Black Star Dancing and This is the place, not exactly what traditional Oasis fans wanted. So he did not seem so worried to me
And with the exception of Easy Now, all other three songs we heard of the new album are more different from the tradicional Oasis song that anything in his first two albums, with the exception of The Right Studf and Alone on the rope.
So I think you are overreacting to one more of the 10s of (often contradictory) casual comments Noel makes in passing in interviews
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Apr 20, 2023 17:25:30 GMT -5
Who Built the Moon is a good album.
What split the fanbase was a) Noel disappearing up his own arse and becoming a complete dick around the time of the WBTM promotional cycle, b) Liam's comeback and success, and c) following WBTM up with substandard EPs like Black Star Dancing.
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Post by shadowplay on Apr 20, 2023 19:37:02 GMT -5
yeah because Who Built The Moon is so far out and so experimental...
For fuck sake, who listens to songs like Holy Mountain or If Love Is The Law and think's it's too 'experimental' for them? It's fair enough if you don't like the songs, but aside from Fort Knox literally nothing on that album is even remotely experimental even by Noel's standards. There's nothing on that album that pushed any boundaries that hadn't already been pushed before by popular acts all the way back in the 80's literally 40 bloody years ago.
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Post by glider on Apr 20, 2023 20:07:49 GMT -5
yeah because Who Built The Moon is so far out and so experimental... For fuck sake, who listens to songs like Holy Mountain or If Love Is The Law and think's it's too 'experimental' for them? It's fair enough if you don't like the songs, but aside from Fort Knox literally nothing on that album is even remotely experimental even by Noel's standards. There's nothing on that album that pushed any boundaries that hadn't already been pushed before by popular acts all the way back in the 80's literally 40 bloody years ago. Noel is weak and all bark no bite. Zero artistic integrity after all the smoke he blew up our rear four years ago. He's gridlocked himself from any future creative endeavors moving forward. Why hope to see him do anything really interesting if he's just going to fold like a lawn chair from the first sign of pushback?
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Post by Sadie on Apr 20, 2023 20:10:59 GMT -5
Man, no way I didn't see this coming! 😂 Kept telling people in 2019 during the peak of the cosmic pop era his next album was going to be a complete 180 back and prepare for disappointment if you believed he didn't care what the "lad bois" thought. The "lads" are what makes him money. Add the recent financial hurdles due to his personal life and you'll see it was always inveitable. Honestly I'm amazed at the complete turnaround but tbh I'd always suspected even back then that he was being so insistent as some kind of defence mechanism and that deep down people's feedback was affecting him, he was just too stubborn to say it
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Post by Sadie on Apr 20, 2023 20:12:20 GMT -5
yeah because Who Built The Moon is so far out and so experimental... For fuck sake, who listens to songs like Holy Mountain or If Love Is The Law and think's it's too 'experimental' for them? It's fair enough if you don't like the songs, but aside from Fort Knox literally nothing on that album is even remotely experimental even by Noel's standards. There's nothing on that album that pushed any boundaries that hadn't already been pushed before by popular acts all the way back in the 80's literally 40 bloody years ago. (Maybe) unpopular opinion: If Love Is The Law should be a staple of his live setlists
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Post by Sadie on Apr 20, 2023 20:14:22 GMT -5
Who Built the Moon is a good album. What split the fanbase was a) Noel disappearing up his own arse and becoming a complete dick around the time of the WBTM promotional cycle, b) Liam's comeback and success, and c) following WBTM up with substandard EPs like Black Star Dancing. Agree with every single word! The backlash wouldn't have been anywhere near as harsh had he not felt the need to force himself come across as an egotistical dickhead in every interview (yes I know he wasn't exactly humble in his Oasis days but here he just came across as a grumpy old man)
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Post by Sadie on Apr 20, 2023 20:16:50 GMT -5
Spot on. So much for "not caring" about the fans, put on a show about it and now acting in such fragile manner. Bound with all the weight of all the words you tried to say, huh, Noel? Not comparing the songs or even the production per se, but Council Skies was already giving me weird HC/DBTT vibes about where Noel was creatively. Says a lot. he got all bitter and defensive. Should've laughed it off, recognised that the album was a success with strong streaming numbers for him, and dived right back in to push the envelope even further THIS.
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Post by glider on Apr 20, 2023 20:22:28 GMT -5
Man, no way I didn't see this coming! 😂 Kept telling people in 2019 during the peak of the cosmic pop era his next album was going to be a complete 180 back and prepare for disappointment if you believed he didn't care what the "lad bois" thought. The "lads" are what makes him money. Add the recent financial hurdles due to his personal life and you'll see it was always inveitable. Honestly I'm amazed at the complete turn around but tbh I'd always suspected even back then that he was being so insistent as some kind of defence mechanism and that deep down people's feedback was affecting him, he was just too stubborn to say it Considering one of his musical idols and peers is Bono, I realized right around the EP releases this was going to happen. At least U2 had a whole decade of a creative renaissance before their artistic retreat. Noel didn't even get off the ground.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Apr 20, 2023 20:57:18 GMT -5
You take Noel's words much too seriously. I would like to kindly remember you that the next singles we got after WBTM were Black Star Dancing and This is the place, not exactly what traditional Oasis fans wanted. So he did not seem so worried to me And with the exception of Easy Now, all other three songs we heard of the new album are more different from the tradicional Oasis song that anything in his first two albums, with the exception of The Right Studf and Alone on the rope. So I think you are overreacting to one more of the 10s of (often contradictory) casual comments Noel makes in passing in interviews I don't often feel the need to defend Noel, but I have to agree. Noel is full of shit, and I say this with love. He's forever saying things and then turning around and saying the opposite. His story changes by the moment. I'm willing to believe that the fan response was one factor in the kind of album he chose to make next, but I'm just as willing to believe that this was the kind of thing he wanted to do now anyway.
Come on, guys. We all know better than to take Noel at face value.
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Post by World71R on Apr 20, 2023 22:47:27 GMT -5
Who Built the Moon is a good album. What split the fanbase was a) Noel disappearing up his own arse and becoming a complete dick around the time of the WBTM promotional cycle, b) Liam's comeback and success, and c) following WBTM up with substandard EPs like Black Star Dancing. I liked what Noel did during the WBTM promo cycle. He was even on the World Cafe and he got recognition in the indie spheres outside of the UK. I just wish he would've done a more-extensive tour for it. He did 81 shows compared to 115-130 shows for his first two solo tours and didn't too much else until a lot of the album momentum was gone. I wish he would've waited on WBTM and incorporated some of the EP material in with the WBTM songs. I like WBTM but the EP strategy didn't make much sense. Hell, he could've done a double album and really gone all-in on the movie soundtrack concept with Holmes.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Apr 21, 2023 2:07:09 GMT -5
He's forever saying things and then turning around and saying the opposite. His story changes by the moment...Come on, guys. We all know better than to take Noel at face value. I would broadly agree. And to be fair, if any body followed me (or any of you probably) around with a tape recorder all day and every line was transcribed, published and let's face it, obsessed over by souls like us I would imagine we'd find the majority of stuff that came out of my mouth would be contradicting, walking back things I'd previous said and just spouting things off the top of my head to fill silence. I just kind of assume most people are like this, but Noel is a big exaggerator / Walter Mitty that is without question.
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Post by matt on Apr 21, 2023 3:20:48 GMT -5
I’m not surprised. Just seeing the reaction to something as tame as Council Skies being lambasted for being a bit different, and you know you’re dealing with large swathes of fans who don’t listen to anything beyond dull generic indie ladrock.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Apr 21, 2023 4:40:00 GMT -5
I agree. For me that album marks the beginning of the end for Noel
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Post by Supersonic on Apr 21, 2023 5:08:58 GMT -5
I agree. For me that album marks the beginning of the end for Noel So he releases one bad album (We haven't even heard all of it yet) and his career is done? Beady Eye released 2 critically panned albums and Liam came back with As You Were
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