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Post by tiger40 on Apr 21, 2023 12:49:43 GMT -5
You take Noel's words much too seriously. I would like to kindly remember you that the next singles we got after WBTM were Black Star Dancing and This is the place, not exactly what traditional Oasis fans wanted. So he did not seem so worried to me And with the exception of Easy Now, all other three songs we heard of the new album are more different from the tradicional Oasis song that anything in his first two albums, with the exception of The Right Studf and Alone on the rope. So I think you are overreacting to one more of the 10s of (often contradictory) casual comments Noel makes in passing in interviews I don't often feel the need to defend Noel, but I have to agree. Noel is full of shit, and I say this with love. He's forever saying things and then turning around and saying the opposite. His story changes by the moment. I'm willing to believe that the fan response was one factor in the kind of album he chose to make next, but I'm just as willing to believe that this was the kind of thing he wanted to do now anyway.
Come on, guys. We all know better than to take Noel at face value.
Yeah, I agree that Noel is full of shit and that we should know better than to take Noel at face value.
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Post by supertronic on Apr 21, 2023 13:44:55 GMT -5
I reckon WBTM is the best Noel Gallagher album since Be Here Now. Love every second of it.
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Post by Firefly on Apr 21, 2023 13:59:25 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the rivalry with Liam. I'd wager the whole 'return to roots' thing is more to do with Noel trying to compete with Liam's success than 'giving fans what they want'. He never gave a shit about what fans want. He gives a shit about Liam selling out Knebworth.
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Post by The Chief on Apr 21, 2023 14:07:37 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the rivalry with Liam. I'd wager the whole 'return to roots' thing is more to do with Noel trying to compete with Liam's success than 'giving fans what they want'. He never gave a shit about what fans want. He gives a shit about Liam selling out Knebworth.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Apr 21, 2023 16:34:41 GMT -5
I'm split on WBTM. It has some of his best work, but also some of his worst. The first half is gold (but Fort Knox is overrated IMO), but the second half to me is all bland (except for TMWBTM). Songs like Be Careful What You Wish For, Love Is The Law, and B&W Sunshine (the melody for this one particularly is garbage), are among his most unenjoyable songs to me, I genuinely can't enjoy them. Personally, the new songs shit all over those 3 alone, for me anyway. And the two instrumentals make this album feel half baked. On the other hand, She Taught Me To Fly might be one of my favourite Noel song's of all time, I absolutely bloody love it. If Love Is the Law is one of the most popular songs on Noël’s OnlyFans page…. God bless.
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Post by matt on Apr 21, 2023 17:20:58 GMT -5
I agree. For me that album marks the beginning of the end for Noel The whole Team Liam/Noel Thing still going on. What year do you think this is, 2017? Whatever year it is, it’s pathetic beyond belief.
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Post by matt on Apr 21, 2023 17:24:13 GMT -5
The whole "cosmic pop" era came crashing down I believe when he wasn't actively working with Holmes on those EPs. He was on his own for those and it showed because outside of This Is The Place, there was nothing really interesting that came out of them, and some of that material was amongst the most dull he's ever done (Wandering Star...). There was no one there in the studio to challenge him like during the 'Moon' sessions, and he was just keeping up with appearances and straight up lying to himself and the fans he really wanted to have creative ambition. I expected better from him to be honest. Wandering Star was when the alarm bells started ringing. What an awful dreary song that was. I think it proved he was reverting back on the ambitious sounds he tried in Who Built The Moon. I adore that album and it’s a crushing blow to see him go back to dull as dishwater music. Both Noel and Liam’s solo careers are, creatively at least, seriously flagging at the moment and need fresh input from new creative collaborators (that doesn’t mean aural beige producers like Sardy) Noel in particular, this whole self producing is just not cutting it. Show some ambition for god’s sake.
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Post by glider on Apr 21, 2023 21:06:41 GMT -5
The whole "cosmic pop" era came crashing down I believe when he wasn't actively working with Holmes on those EPs. He was on his own for those and it showed because outside of This Is The Place, there was nothing really interesting that came out of them, and some of that material was amongst the most dull he's ever done (Wandering Star...). There was no one there in the studio to challenge him like during the 'Moon' sessions, and he was just keeping up with appearances and straight up lying to himself and the fans he really wanted to have creative ambition. I expected better from him to be honest. Wandering Star was when the alarm bells started ringing. What an awful dreary song that was. I think it proved he was reverting back on the ambitious sounds he tried in Who Built The Moon. I adore that album and it’s a crushing blow to see him go back to dull as dishwater music. Both Noel and Liam’s solo careers are, creatively at least, seriously flagging at the moment and need fresh input from new creative collaborators (that doesn’t mean aural beige producers like Sardy) Noel in particular, this whole self producing is just not cutting it. Show some ambition for god’s sake. People may not want to admit it, and certainly Noel will never, but I do truly believe Liam's solo success did psychologically trip him up. Not trying to sound like an armchair shrink but imagine putting out your first major creative record since forever and then boom, your notorious younger brother releases a chart topping hit solo record as an alternative for fans. I think this is more about Liam's success splitting the fanbase than WBTM, and he can't get over it for some reason.
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Apr 21, 2023 21:17:17 GMT -5
I think this is more about Liam's success splitting the fanbase than WBTM, and he can't get over it for some reason. I believe it's both. I find it interesting that he is now acknowledging it.
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Post by glider on Apr 21, 2023 21:22:42 GMT -5
I think this is more about Liam's success splitting the fanbase than WBTM, and he can't get over it for some reason. I believe it's both. I find it interesting that he is now acknowledging it. I just don't know. We all know there's nothing "psychedelic" or even "cosmic pop" about WBTM. If anything it has a retro-pop, Motown/Spector vibe to it with a little bit of new wave and world genre, which seems to be what Holmes was going for. Also the album is six years old and was successful so he's full of it.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Apr 22, 2023 6:27:16 GMT -5
I think that 'WBTM?' is underrated by a significant portion of Noel's fan base who find it to be an alienating detour from the type of music they come to expect from Noel and too far removed from their own personal musical preferences to really enjoy. At the same time however I believe that it is somewhat overrated by a small, but vocal minority within his fan base who want Noel to be something more than he is.
As far as I'm concerned it's simply a refreshing change from his usual style of songwriting. As an album it's a good listen and contains plenty of interesting highlights but in my opinion doesn't have the quite the same high level of consistency his previous two solo albums had. Thanks to David Holmes 'WBTM?' has some of the best production on any Noel project ever. His input and pushback of Noel's songwriting instincts took these songs to places that just would never have happened had he not been collaborated with. Of course this doesn't necessarily lead to better songs and Noel's always known the songs are everything.
I think some 'WBTM?' fans forget Noel told us some time back that his next LP will be more of a back to basics, self produced endeavour. If anything Pretty Boy is a surprising foot in the door for the newer sounds he implied he wouldn't return to for a while. Didn't Noel also say some time back he's still collaborating with Holmes but it's a slow process so another record with him will be some time away but in the works regardless?
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 22, 2023 6:32:05 GMT -5
I think that 'WBTM?' is underrated by a significant portion of Noel's fan base who find it to be an alienating detour from the type of music they come to expect from Noel and too far removed from their own personal musical preferences to really enjoy. At the same time however I believe that it is somewhat overrated by a small, but vocal minority within his fan base who want Noel to be something more than he is. As far as I'm concerned it's simply a refreshing change from his usual style of songwriting. As an album it's a good listen and contains plenty of interesting highlights but in my opinion doesn't have the quite the same high level of consistency his previous two solo albums had. Thanks to David Holmes 'WBTM?' has some of the best production on any Noel project ever. His input and pushback of Noel's songwriting instincts took these songs to places that just would never have happened had he not been collaborated with. Of course this doesn't necessarily lead to better songs and Noel's always known the songs are everything. I think some 'WBTM?' fans forget Noel told us some time back that his next LP will be more of a back to basics, self produced endeavour. If anything Pretty Boy is a surprising foot in the door for the newer sounds he implied he wouldn't return to for a while. Didn't Noel also say some time back he's still collaborating with Holmes but it's a slow process so another record with him will be some time away but in the works regardless? Yeah, and it'll come out with the Be Here Now remix, Death in Vegas album, and Amorphous Androgynous collab.
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Post by theunderclass on Apr 22, 2023 8:12:07 GMT -5
I think that 'WBTM?' is underrated by a significant portion of Noel's fan base who find it to be an alienating detour from the type of music they come to expect from Noel and too far removed from their own personal musical preferences to really enjoy. At the same time however I believe that it is somewhat overrated by a small, but vocal minority within his fan base who want Noel to be something more than he is. As far as I'm concerned it's simply a refreshing change from his usual style of songwriting. As an album it's a good listen and contains plenty of interesting highlights but in my opinion doesn't have the quite the same high level of consistency his previous two solo albums had. Thanks to David Holmes 'WBTM?' has some of the best production on any Noel project ever. His input and pushback of Noel's songwriting instincts took these songs to places that just would never have happened had he not been collaborated with. Of course this doesn't necessarily lead to better songs and Noel's always known the songs are everything. I think some 'WBTM?' fans forget Noel told us some time back that his next LP will be more of a back to basics, self produced endeavour. If anything Pretty Boy is a surprising foot in the door for the newer sounds he implied he wouldn't return to for a while. Didn't Noel also say some time back he's still collaborating with Holmes but it's a slow process so another record with him will be some time away but in the works regardless? That's a really good summary, I think. This will sound ridiculous, but when I think of WBTM I think of that damn bell in Fort Knox, feel a headache coming on, and listen to something else instead. Can't make it past the bell!!!
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Post by glider on Apr 22, 2023 8:31:34 GMT -5
I think that 'WBTM?' is underrated by a significant portion of Noel's fan base who find it to be an alienating detour from the type of music they come to expect from Noel and too far removed from their own personal musical preferences to really enjoy. At the same time however I believe that it is somewhat overrated by a small, but vocal minority within his fan base who want Noel to be something more than he is. As far as I'm concerned it's simply a refreshing change from his usual style of songwriting. As an album it's a good listen and contains plenty of interesting highlights but in my opinion doesn't have the quite the same high level of consistency his previous two solo albums had. Thanks to David Holmes 'WBTM?' has some of the best production on any Noel project ever. His input and pushback of Noel's songwriting instincts took these songs to places that just would never have happened had he not been collaborated with. Of course this doesn't necessarily lead to better songs and Noel's always known the songs are everything. I think some 'WBTM?' fans forget Noel told us some time back that his next LP will be more of a back to basics, self produced endeavour. If anything Pretty Boy is a surprising foot in the door for the newer sounds he implied he wouldn't return to for a while. Didn't Noel also say some time back he's still collaborating with Holmes but it's a slow process so another record with him will be some time away but in the works regardless? When did he say that about the next album being back to basics? All I remember in 2018/19 he was rambling about continuing to create in the style Holmes challenged him to.
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Post by Firefly on Apr 22, 2023 8:38:44 GMT -5
I think that 'WBTM?' is underrated by a significant portion of Noel's fan base who find it to be an alienating detour from the type of music they come to expect from Noel and too far removed from their own personal musical preferences to really enjoy . At the same time however I believe that it is somewhat overrated by a small, but vocal minority within his fan base who want Noel to be something more than he is.As far as I'm concerned it's simply a refreshing change from his usual style of songwriting. As an album it's a good listen and contains plenty of interesting highlights but in my opinion doesn't have the quite the same high level of consistency his previous two solo albums had. Thanks to David Holmes 'WBTM?' has some of the best production on any Noel project ever. His input and pushback of Noel's songwriting instincts took these songs to places that just would never have happened had he not been collaborated with. Of course this doesn't necessarily lead to better songs and Noel's always known the songs are everything. I think some 'WBTM?' fans forget Noel told us some time back that his next LP will be more of a back to basics, self produced endeavour. If anything Pretty Boy is a surprising foot in the door for the newer sounds he implied he wouldn't return to for a while. Didn't Noel also say some time back he's still collaborating with Holmes but it's a slow process so another record with him will be some time away but in the works regardless? Equally though, who are we fans to know what Noel is musically? Who are we to tell him no, that's not you, this is you. He cops enough of that from Liam. Noel is whatever he wants himself to be. I'm guessing the vocal minority you speak of just want him to explore musical territory and not limit himself. I love his dance tracks, like most of WBTM, some tracks on that album are up there with the best he's ever written. I'm up for Noel doing anything he wants to so long as he means it and includes some rockers for dinosaurs like me. My issue with the latest output so far and this 'back to roots' he's pitching is I don't think he means it...except DTTW. Council Skies recycled melodies = his hearts not in it.
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Post by freddy838 on Apr 22, 2023 9:00:00 GMT -5
It was the pretentious interviews that pissed me off. Nothing against him trying different music and producers, I just don't think it was a very successful experiment. I hate IABW and Holy Mountain but like some other bits. Not too keen on some of the songs off this album, I still think Chasing Yesterday had a decent mix of new sounds (maybe knicked from AA) and traditional Noel songs.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Apr 22, 2023 9:46:39 GMT -5
Both Noel and Liam’s solo careers are, creatively at least, seriously flagging at the moment and need fresh input from new creative collaborators (that doesn’t mean aural beige producers like Sardy) Noel in particular, this whole self producing is just not cutting it. Show some ambition for god’s sake. It's wild to me to make this complaint about Liam in particular, because his last album was IMO a pretty big departure for him, which is part of what I enjoy about it. Hard to say about Noel, since we haven't heard the whole album yet, but I agree with someone else who said Pretty Boy is pretty atypical of the sound Noel goes for.
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Post by exit1 on Apr 22, 2023 11:29:00 GMT -5
I agree. For me that album marks the beginning of the end for Noel you don't know that especially as we haven't even heard the full album yet. Besides I doubt very much that it marks the beginning of the end for Noel. the fact that noel says that his favourite song is DTTW , says it all, that means that the rest of the songs of the album arent better than this
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 22, 2023 12:26:56 GMT -5
you don't know that especially as we haven't even heard the full album yet. Besides I doubt very much that it marks the beginning of the end for Noel. the fact that noel says that his favourite song is DTTW , says it all, that means that the rest of the songs of the album arent better than this Well I'm not a fan of Dead To The World (maybe I'll like it when the album comes out as it might make better sense to me. But as a stand alone single I just can't get into it.) But like I've already said we can't judge the whole album etc when we haven't even heard all of it yet.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Apr 22, 2023 13:44:58 GMT -5
you don't know that especially as we haven't even heard the full album yet. Besides I doubt very much that it marks the beginning of the end for Noel. the fact that noel says that his favourite song is DTTW , says it all, that means that the rest of the songs of the album arent better than this Except that Noel is notoriously bad at judging the quality of his own songs.
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Post by matt on Apr 22, 2023 16:15:11 GMT -5
I think that 'WBTM?' is underrated by a significant portion of Noel's fan base who find it to be an alienating detour from the type of music they come to expect from Noel and too far removed from their own personal musical preferences to really enjoy. At the same time however I believe that it is somewhat overrated by a small, but vocal minority within his fan base who want Noel to be something more than he is.As far as I'm concerned it's simply a refreshing change from his usual style of songwriting. As an album it's a good listen and contains plenty of interesting highlights but in my opinion doesn't have the quite the same high level of consistency his previous two solo albums had. Thanks to David Holmes 'WBTM?' has some of the best production on any Noel project ever. His input and pushback of Noel's songwriting instincts took these songs to places that just would never have happened had he not been collaborated with. Of course this doesn't necessarily lead to better songs and Noel's always known the songs are everything. I think some 'WBTM?' fans forget Noel told us some time back that his next LP will be more of a back to basics, self produced endeavour. If anything Pretty Boy is a surprising foot in the door for the newer sounds he implied he wouldn't return to for a while. Didn't Noel also say some time back he's still collaborating with Holmes but it's a slow process so another record with him will be some time away but in the works regardless? I don't think that is necessarily the case. I don't find anyone who thinks it's a flawless album, for me it seriously dips in the middle with She Taught, Be Careful and Black & White Sunshine. Not a bad song amongst them, but didn't do much for me personally and a wee bit repetitive in places. What I do feel however is that, either side of that middle part where it succeeds, the songs vindicate that Noel can branch out from his usual influences and be a bit more ambitious, and the rest of the tunes absolutely hit the mark in that aspect while not forgoing his craftsmanship for songs. This ain't Damon Albarn meandering rubbish, it's still good old fashioned pop but in different style. That surprise element is a far cry from anything Oasis related since the 2000s.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Apr 23, 2023 13:00:20 GMT -5
I think that 'WBTM?' is underrated by a significant portion of Noel's fan base who find it to be an alienating detour from the type of music they come to expect from Noel and too far removed from their own personal musical preferences to really enjoy. At the same time however I believe that it is somewhat overrated by a small, but vocal minority within his fan base who want Noel to be something more than he is. As far as I'm concerned it's simply a refreshing change from his usual style of songwriting. As an album it's a good listen and contains plenty of interesting highlights but in my opinion doesn't have the quite the same high level of consistency his previous two solo albums had. Thanks to David Holmes 'WBTM?' has some of the best production on any Noel project ever. His input and pushback of Noel's songwriting instincts took these songs to places that just would never have happened had he not been collaborated with. Of course this doesn't necessarily lead to better songs and Noel's always known the songs are everything. I think some 'WBTM?' fans forget Noel told us some time back that his next LP will be more of a back to basics, self produced endeavour. If anything Pretty Boy is a surprising foot in the door for the newer sounds he implied he wouldn't return to for a while. Didn't Noel also say some time back he's still collaborating with Holmes but it's a slow process so another record with him will be some time away but in the works regardless? When did he say that about the next album being back to basics? All I remember in 2018/19 he was rambling about continuing to create in the style Holmes challenged him to. Back in 2018: Noel: "I’m going to make another record with David [Holmes] in this way but the last one took four years so I’ll probably have to make another one alongside it in the more traditional sense." Back in 2021: Noel: “It’s leaning to be more acoustic, actually. There will be more acoustic tracks on it than I would do and the reason for that is that I did those EPs the year before last and I was in that frame of mind to something electronic. If I hadn’t done that, my next album would have been like those EPs. So that’s given me a thing to react against. It’s more acoustic and a lot slower paced and bit more atmospheric."
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Apr 23, 2023 13:18:33 GMT -5
I think that 'WBTM?' is underrated by a significant portion of Noel's fan base who find it to be an alienating detour from the type of music they come to expect from Noel and too far removed from their own personal musical preferences to really enjoy. At the same time however I believe that it is somewhat overrated by a small, but vocal minority within his fan base who want Noel to be something more than he is.As far as I'm concerned it's simply a refreshing change from his usual style of songwriting. As an album it's a good listen and contains plenty of interesting highlights but in my opinion doesn't have the quite the same high level of consistency his previous two solo albums had. Thanks to David Holmes 'WBTM?' has some of the best production on any Noel project ever. His input and pushback of Noel's songwriting instincts took these songs to places that just would never have happened had he not been collaborated with. Of course this doesn't necessarily lead to better songs and Noel's always known the songs are everything. I think some 'WBTM?' fans forget Noel told us some time back that his next LP will be more of a back to basics, self produced endeavour. If anything Pretty Boy is a surprising foot in the door for the newer sounds he implied he wouldn't return to for a while. Didn't Noel also say some time back he's still collaborating with Holmes but it's a slow process so another record with him will be some time away but in the works regardless? I don't think that is necessarily the case. I don't find anyone who thinks it's a flawless album, for me it seriously dips in the middle with She Taught, Be Careful and Black & White Sunshine. Not a bad song amongst them, but didn't do much for me personally and a wee bit repetitive in places. What I do feel however is that, either side of that middle part where it succeeds, the songs vindicate that Noel can branch out from his usual influences and be a bit more ambitious, and the rest of the tunes absolutely hit the mark in that aspect while not forgoing his craftsmanship for songs. This ain't Damon Albarn meandering rubbish, it's still good old fashioned pop but in different style. That surprise element is a far cry from anything Oasis related since the 2000s. I've not heard anyone describe it as flawless but there's a small group of people who describe it as the best thing he's done post-'Be Here Now', give it more praise than I believe it deserves and make out that certain songs are much better than they are. Don't get me wrong I like the record but I agree with your statement that doesn't quite hold up in the middle. Personally I can give or take Noel writing songs outside of his usual comfort zone. As long as the songs are good that's all I really care about.
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Post by matt on Apr 23, 2023 13:28:30 GMT -5
I don't think that is necessarily the case. I don't find anyone who thinks it's a flawless album, for me it seriously dips in the middle with She Taught, Be Careful and Black & White Sunshine. Not a bad song amongst them, but didn't do much for me personally and a wee bit repetitive in places. What I do feel however is that, either side of that middle part where it succeeds, the songs vindicate that Noel can branch out from his usual influences and be a bit more ambitious, and the rest of the tunes absolutely hit the mark in that aspect while not forgoing his craftsmanship for songs. This ain't Damon Albarn meandering rubbish, it's still good old fashioned pop but in different style. That surprise element is a far cry from anything Oasis related since the 2000s. I've not heard anyone describe it as flawless but there's a small group of people who describe it as the best thing he's done post-'Be Here Now', give it more praise than I believe it deserves and make out that certain songs are much better than they are. Don't get me wrong I like the record but I agree with your statement that doesn't quite hold up in the middle. Personally I can give or take Noel writing songs outside of his usual comfort zone. As long as the songs are good that's all I really care about. I think it is clearly better than anything post-BHN, mainly because the bar is so low.
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Post by glider on Apr 23, 2023 13:37:07 GMT -5
When did he say that about the next album being back to basics? All I remember in 2018/19 he was rambling about continuing to create in the style Holmes challenged him to. Back in 2018: Noel: "I’m going to make another record with David [Holmes] in this way but the last one took four years so I’ll probably have to make another one alongside it in the more traditional sense." Back in 2021: Noel: “It’s leaning to be more acoustic, actually. There will be more acoustic tracks on it than I would do and the reason for that is that I did those EPs the year before last and I was in that frame of mind to something electronic. If I hadn’t done that, my next album would have been like those EPs. So that’s given me a thing to react against. It’s more acoustic and a lot slower paced and bit more atmospheric." Alot happened between those two statements and based on his current interviews I'm going to suggest if we do see that eventual second outing with Holmes it's going to be far longer than originally planned. I'm willing to bet another full Holmes produced record is now in the same lore as the AA album unfortunately.
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