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Post by y2koasis on Nov 3, 2017 11:07:15 GMT -5
Beady Eye was bad on average. It wasn't different. It wasn't fresh. It was the same old tired style but of inferior quality to Noel's work in Oasis and his comparative solo efforts. Even BE wasn't all that different, it just felt more modern and better developed, which is why it fared better. That album received the praise that it deserved, unfortunately it still offered too much filler which most recognize in hindsight. Noel is genuinely trying to reform his sound on this record. He's leaving his comfort zone. Unsurprisingly, a lot of people hate it. Most people claim to want change, but in reality, nobody actually likes it. It's the lie we tell ourselves. It takes time for change to sink in before we can appreciate its value. The important question is whether or not the hate is deserved here? Are they hating it just because it's radically different or because it's genuinely of inferior quality to his previous works? It's too soon to tell in my opinion.In my opinion 2 of the 3 songs so far are truly substandard. I've seen Oasis/Noel/Beady Eye 30 times or so. Honestly have lost count. These two are on the same level as when I first heard Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is and The Rebel. There was a point in time I thought Noel couldn't deliver a bad song. Now I am at the point where I am wondering if an entire album is going to be a flop. Hoping for a turnaround but that he has highlighted these two clunkers is really a bad sign. Liam's album is what I have been hoping for a long time. I don't think he ever got enough credit for his solid output (albeit small sample size) going back to Born On a Different Cloud which I hope he dusts the cobwebs off and plays live because it is a great in that setting.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 3, 2017 11:07:33 GMT -5
Noel quit the band, Liam didn't. You can spin that in any direction, but one person quit, the other didn't. But why did he quit ? Dont just say facts, there are causes and consequences to everything. Just stating obvious points doesn't make Noel a culprit. Jeeeeezzzz. yeah he quit the band... But why...
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 3, 2017 11:07:49 GMT -5
Just one thought about this: Liam has played 4 gigs in the last 5 days. Three performances in the last 24 hours(Newcastle, bbc radio morning and bbc 2 concert). Well, nevertheless, a lot of people is on the bbc 2 concert thread complaining and checking out every little detail about Liam voice. It´s insane!! Instead of just enjoying the gig! In the other hand, Noel has played on Jools Holland, perfectly rested, and his voice hasn´t been a good one. And only just few members has pointed out this. So Liam&Noel have played a gig with a no perfect voice...and in which section is the discussion about that? Admittedly, I have been avoiding the subject to avoid getting blasted. But yes, when I first heard Noel supporting U2, I couldn't help but notice his voice sounds terrible compared to his last tour. It still works, but it's degenerated dramatically. I guess that's just age.
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 3, 2017 11:09:10 GMT -5
People forget this but Noel............... - Briefly quit mid USA tour in 1994 - Walked out of the USA four fall 1996 - Quit touring overseas spring 2000 - Quit the band in 2009 dont wanna piss on your parade but: - Briefly quit mid USA tour in 1994But why, i may ask ? 1994: During an L.A. concert, Liam changes the words of “Live Forever” to annoy his brother. (“Maybe I don’t really wanna know/Why you pick your nose”—scathing stuff.) He also hits Noel over the head with a tambourine and insults the American crowd. Noel briefly leaves the band, but rejoins them later that tour.- Noel Quit touring overseas spring 2000 But why ? Because Liam questionned the legitimacy of Anais, Noel's daughter by his former wife, Meg Mathews. "I've never forgiven him because he's never apologised," said Noel in 2005. But Noel carried on with Liam for another 9 years after that. Who would have done that ? I know i wouldn't have...
People forget this but Liam............... - Nearly broke up Oasis en route to success by doing stupid stuff on a ferry in 1994 - Quit US tour in 1996 to buy... a home - Famously refused to do the unplugged minutes before the show was gonna be filmed, then mocking his brother from the balcony - Quit the DOYS sessions in 2008 to get married, not inviting brother, resulting in a half record being made About that last point, from the Guardian : In February 2008, while the band were finishing Dig Out Your Soul in Los Angeles, Liam disappeared back home for the weekend, marrying long-term partner Nicole Appleton without telling his colleagues, or inviting his brother, for fear it would all end up in the tabloids. "They had a major unreported bust-up that resulted in a couple of tracks not making it on the album, because Liam hadn't done his vocals," says author and Mojo journalist Pat Gilbert, who joined the band on tour last autumn. "I rarely saw them together then. Liam was living a completely separate life to the band."
Hmm, well that's not a Noel story, but a journalist testimony on the last months of Oasis. Interesting to note that the loner and outsider, here, is Liam... not Noel. "Oasis was my life", Liam recently said. but apparently, it was not that important in 2008. Both had breakdowns, because the pressure was heavy. but Noel has carried 90% of that pressure for most of the Oasis career. Liam was just showing up and singing. He's a big baby and facts, as told by other people than Noel, are proving that. Noel is no angel, but Give the man some respect. Liam was the voice of Oasis, but Noel made it happen, and made it last as long as he could. He was so intolerable that all the members followed him to be in another band with him. Explain that?
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 3, 2017 11:10:14 GMT -5
And blatantly admitted to the press he should have done Morning Glory himself for all the money. He has wanted to be a solo artist as soon as he hit it big. Liam was the one person who was keeping Oasis afloat as a band in many respects. Morning Glory, of course in my opinion, would not have near the cultural impact it had without Liam's unique sound. I have never taken that statement seriously tbh, sure the thought of "what if I had gone solo" crossed his mind but deep down he knew he needed Liam for that record Complete douchebag thing to say to the singer of the band though,no?
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Post by andymorris on Nov 3, 2017 11:10:31 GMT -5
He was so intolerable that all the members followed him to be in another band with him. Explain that? Opportunity and career. i'm not saying he's intolerable, i'm just pointing out facts. Remind me where are Beady eye members now ?
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Nov 3, 2017 11:10:52 GMT -5
The thing is, we only see what we want to see. Beady Eye were (often unfairly) criticized by many people on here because they thought the music was subpar. And now, Noel is (often unfairly) criticized by many people on here because they think the music is subpar. And also because they believe he suddenly became a dick in the last two years. Yeah, the same man who in 1995 told Blur to catch AIDS and die. Honestly, I see very little difference. Some of the shit that gets thrown at Noel right now is insane. Definitely as bad as the crazy shit that people threw at Beady Eye. I agree. I think this is due to general defiance toward the "elite", whatever it is. For the basic Oasis fanbase, Noel seem to have sold his soul to whatever "elite" they want him to belong to. Noel is the same he's ever been, very harsh in his comments. But this time it is directed to Liam, who played the card "Man of the People" perfectly, although we know he clearly is not.Liam also played the card of the poor little brother abandonned by his mean older bro, and well, keep repeating that someone is a vagina and people will believe it. There's also a kind of silent hate for people who succeed in everything and are happy. And well, Noel has thrown his happiness in our faces the past few months. There is a study that shows how a Facebook timeline with post showing the happiness of your friend can seriously put some people into depression. This is probably the case for some of the fans. They liked him when he had bad teeths and was divorcing. they hate him with his white smile and perfect wife. In the other hand, Noel has played on Jools Holland, perfectly rested, and his voice hasn´t been a good one. And only just few members has pointed out this. Didnt he just come back from a tour in south america, playing the whole month of october in 3 or 4 different countries not exactly as small as england, in front of people who are not his fans and that you actually have to convince, having a jetlag to recover from and then play a two new songs for the first time on tv then a small gig with a lot of new material just a few days later ? Such a good rest he's had. Liam hasn't played that card, he just has more of that about him. For the most part that is something that you earn from people you don't just get given it. Its a product of how Liam treats people both in front and behind the camera on a regular basis. He's not pretentious or greedy or bothered by money as a thing to aquire in mass amounts and this is how he connects with people. By contrast watch Noel's interview when he is waving a black american express card at the camera, I thought it was embarrassing. Those sorts of things may not matter to you and thats fine but they do matter to a lot of other people.
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 3, 2017 11:12:09 GMT -5
Noel quit the band, Liam didn't. You can spin that in any direction, but one person quit, the other didn't. But why did he quit ? Dont just say facts, there are causes and consequences to everything. Just stating obvious points doesn't make Noel a culprit. Jeeeeezzzz. yeah he quit the band... But why... As soon as you tell me why the rest of Oasis ended up in a new band with him before Noel's cab had gotten back to the hotel.
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Post by carlober on Nov 3, 2017 11:14:35 GMT -5
This thread is unbearable.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 3, 2017 11:15:46 GMT -5
People forget this but Noel............... - Briefly quit mid USA tour in 1994 - Walked out of the USA four fall 1996 - Quit touring overseas spring 2000 - Quit the band in 2009 dont wanna piss on your parade but: - Briefly quit mid USA tour in 1994But why, i may ask ? 1994: During an L.A. concert, Liam changes the words of “Live Forever” to annoy his brother. (“Maybe I don’t really wanna know/Why you pick your nose”—scathing stuff.) He also hits Noel over the head with a tambourine and insults the American crowd. Noel briefly leaves the band, but rejoins them later that tour.- Noel Quit touring overseas spring 2000 But why ? Because Liam questionned the legitimacy of Anais, Noel's daughter by his former wife, Meg Mathews. "I've never forgiven him because he's never apologised," said Noel in 2005. But Noel carried on with Liam for another 9 years after that. Who would have done that ? I know i wouldn't have...
People forget this but Liam............... - Nearly broke up Oasis en route to success by doing stupid stuff on a ferry in 1994 - Quit US tour in 1996 to buy... a home - Famously refused to do the unplugged minutes before the show was gonna be filmed, then mocking his brother from the balcony - Quit the DOYS sessions in 2008 to get married, not inviting brother, resulting in a half record being made About that last point, from the Guardian : In February 2008, while the band were finishing Dig Out Your Soul in Los Angeles, Liam disappeared back home for the weekend, marrying long-term partner Nicole Appleton without telling his colleagues, or inviting his brother, for fear it would all end up in the tabloids. "They had a major unreported bust-up that resulted in a couple of tracks not making it on the album, because Liam hadn't done his vocals," says author and Mojo journalist Pat Gilbert, who joined the band on tour last autumn. "I rarely saw them together then. Liam was living a completely separate life to the band."
Hmm, well that's not a Noel story, but a journalist testimony on the last months of Oasis. Interesting to note that the loner and outsider, here, is Liam... not Noel. "Oasis was my life", Liam recently said. but apparently, it was not that important in 2008. Both had breakdowns, because the pressure was heavy. but Noel has carried 90% of that pressure for most of the Oasis career. Liam was just showing up and singing. He's a big baby and facts, as told by other people than Noel, are proving that. Noel is no angel, but Give the man some respect. Liam was the voice of Oasis, but Noel made it happen, and made it last as long as he could. He still did those things. Doesn’t matter the cause. He executed those actions. I mean Liam gets all the blame for 1996. He was late to the tour but did join it days later. It was actually Noel who terminated that tour. Not Liam. It was Noel. Sure Liam didn’t make it look pretty (Unplugged, VMAs, House hunting) but he didn’t technically quit on anything.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Nov 3, 2017 11:15:51 GMT -5
This thread is optional.
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 3, 2017 11:20:31 GMT -5
Beady Eye was bad on average. It wasn't different. It wasn't fresh. It was the same old tired style but of inferior quality to Noel's work in Oasis and his comparative solo efforts. Even BE wasn't all that different, it just felt more modern and better developed, which is why it fared better. That album received the praise that it deserved, unfortunately it still offered too much filler which most recognize in hindsight. Noel is genuinely trying to reform his sound on this record. He's leaving his comfort zone. Unsurprisingly, a lot of people hate it. Most people claim to want change, but in reality, nobody actually likes it. It's the lie we tell ourselves. It takes time for change to sink in before we can appreciate its value. The important question is whether or not the hate is deserved here? Are they hating it just because it's radically different or because it's genuinely of inferior quality to his previous works? It's too soon to tell in my opinion. If Beady Eye was bad on average so were NGHFB and BE. Arrogant statements like these are the reason why there are so many bitter Liam fans here. There are many BDI fans here and the "BDI is shite" narrative is not going to cut well with those people. To some Noelinistas here liking of Bring the Light and Wind Up Dream and disliking The Death of You and Me is a huge sin and they just keep telling you your musical taste is shite on every single thread they can. BDI/Liam fans here had enough after 8 years of mocking and taunting. Backlash was always going to happen.
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 3, 2017 11:24:30 GMT -5
He was so intolerable that all the members followed him to be in another band with him. Explain that? Opportunity and career. i'm not saying he's intolerable, i'm just pointing out facts. Remind me where are Beady eye members now ? They are on the other sinking Gallagher ship.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Nov 3, 2017 11:26:00 GMT -5
Beady Eye was bad on average. It wasn't different. It wasn't fresh. It was the same old tired style but of inferior quality to Noel's work in Oasis and his comparative solo efforts. Even BE wasn't all that different, it just felt more modern and better developed, which is why it fared better. That album received the praise that it deserved, unfortunately it still offered too much filler which most recognize in hindsight. Noel is genuinely trying to reform his sound on this record. He's leaving his comfort zone. Unsurprisingly, a lot of people hate it. Most people claim to want change, but in reality, nobody actually likes it. It's the lie we tell ourselves. It takes time for change to sink in before we can appreciate its value. The important question is whether or not the hate is deserved here? Are they hating it just because it's radically different or because it's genuinely of inferior quality to his previous works? It's too soon to tell in my opinion. My music tastes might not be as eclectic as some on the forum but that doesn't automatically mean I would hate something because its different. You can appreciate a change in style and yet not like the result. I think hate is a bit strong, from what I've seen so far most don't seem to hate what Noel's doing, a lot just think its average.
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 3, 2017 11:28:43 GMT -5
Oh, let me add another point. A large part of the "Noel is the bright one" narrative was built on the perception that Liam's behaviour and his actions led to the demise of Oasis and ultimately Noel having to flee the band because he couldn't work with an abusive and unprofessional brother. But guess what: many of the excuses used by Noel where proven to be false by Andy, Gem and Paul G. Yet some people here insist on stories that are proved to be false, such as the one that Liam tried to sell PG clothes on Oasis gigs. Using something known to be a lie to insist Liam is a psycho is not going to make Liam fans happy.
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Post by carlober on Nov 3, 2017 11:35:49 GMT -5
Oh yes it is optional. Unless your moderation duties include reading every post on here to avoid people throwing random insults at each other. And, as you probably know better than me, it happens quite often. Judging by the anger displayed by some of the posters I'm surprised that this thread hasn't gone to shit yet.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Nov 3, 2017 11:46:10 GMT -5
Opportunity and career. i'm not saying he's intolerable, i'm just pointing out facts. Remind me where are Beady eye members now ? They are on the other sinking Gallagher ship. Wow and you say "Noel fans" are too Crtical of Liam. Most of your posts are slagging Noel off.
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Post by supernovastar94 on Nov 3, 2017 11:59:05 GMT -5
Wow this thread.
By the way, those blaming Noel because he is now surrounded of actors, models and douchebag musicians like Bono, and wants to be part of the "elite", surely remember that Liam "man of the people, working class hero" Gallagher was married to unknown actress Patsy Kensit, indie singer Nicole Appleton, and in the last months has had duets with unknown troubadour Chris Martin and struggling singer Dave Grohl.
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 3, 2017 12:13:06 GMT -5
They are on the other sinking Gallagher ship. Wow and you say "Noel fans" are too Crtical of Liam. Most of your posts are slagging Noel off. Noel and I share a similar quality. We can both be surly pricks now and again.
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Post by eva on Nov 3, 2017 12:31:43 GMT -5
what bothers me is that there are many fans who only focus on the negative things there won't ever be a perfect gig or a perfect album or a perfect interview. but why focus only on the shit side? it feels some people enjoy being miserable and making others miserable as well.
you can be critical and point out things you don't like but sometimes it's good to enjoy life a bit, uh? if it doesn't make you happy, move on to something else.
at the same time, those who are 100% on one side need to learn to accept some different opinions as well can we find a balance somehow? just my 2 cents cheers
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Post by akaidleroses on Nov 3, 2017 12:37:58 GMT -5
I thought Gaz from AA was the king of crywanking until I opened this thread.
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 3, 2017 12:54:25 GMT -5
what bothers me is that there are many fans who only focus on the negative things there won't ever be a perfect gig or a perfect album or a perfect interview. but why focus only on the shit side? it feels some people enjoy being miserable and making others miserable as well. you can be critical and point out things you don't like but sometimes it's good to enjoy life a bit, uh? if it doesn't make you happy, move on to something else. at the same time, those who are 100% on one side need to learn to accept some different opinions as well can we find a balance somehow? just my 2 cents cheers I've liked Oasis for 23 years. The music and the soap opera has brought me a lot of joy. That Noel has slanted the story gets under my skin a bit and that Noel lap dogs sop it up without giving it a second thought is basically like seeing real life mind control.
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Post by detroitmadferit on Nov 3, 2017 13:01:01 GMT -5
And blatantly admitted to the press he should have done Morning Glory himself for all the money. He has wanted to be a solo artist as soon as he hit it big. Liam was the one person who was keeping Oasis afloat as a band in many respects. Morning Glory, of course in my opinion, would not have near the cultural impact it had without Liam's unique sound. I have never taken that statement seriously tbh, sure the thought of "what if I had gone solo" crossed his mind but deep down he knew he needed Liam for that record Noel has said, multiple times, that Liam was the best singer in the world in the 90's. Even today he'll say stuff like that if it comes up. Anything he says about going solo during DM, WTSMG, or BHN is just Noel being "interview Noel."
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Post by jxing on Nov 3, 2017 13:05:29 GMT -5
Ok, this is my opinion but after watching Supersonic and reading past interviews by Andy and other people, I'm not sure if I believe some of accusations from Noel.... now, some are proven facts but I've questioned the validity of the Noel legitimacy Anais fight... 1. There has never been any definite confirmation from any other band members... unless I missed it. 2. If that occurred then why would Meg allow Liam to not just hang out with Anais but to be at her house so many years after... if that had been said about My child, I would NEVER want anything to do with him. And he definitely wouldn't be allowed in my house. Now, maybe she forgave him or he apologized but that just doesn't seem like something you ever forgive and forget. 3. I just have a very hard time believing in anything that Noel says, unless it is obviously proven- which are many things. * http://instagram.com/p/U_6U_azHlV * http://instagram.com/p/U_6pNkTHl1
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Post by neila83 on Nov 3, 2017 13:06:50 GMT -5
But why did he quit ? Dont just say facts, there are causes and consequences to everything. Just stating obvious points doesn't make Noel a culprit. Jeeeeezzzz. yeah he quit the band... But why... As soon as you tell me why the rest of Oasis ended up in a new band with him before Noel's cab had gotten back to the hotel. They have mortgages to pay, absolutely nothing can be read into them being with either brother. And Noel was going solo so they had no choice but to go with Liam. Some of the attempts to score points really are embarrassing. Liam's a dick a lot of the time, Noel's a dick a lot of the time. Taking sides and acting like they are your mates is really quite weird. The quote from the mojo journalist about Liam living a seperate life to the band on the DOYS tour is interesting though, hadn't seen that before.
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