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Post by y2koasis on Nov 2, 2017 10:31:48 GMT -5
Why does there seem to be a different set of rules being critical over Noel Gallagher amongst many Oasis fans? During the Beady Eye years, the venom thrown Liam and Co.'s way was pretty ferocious. Noel's latest numbers (save Fort Knox) are alarmingly bad to these ears yet many want to treat him with kid gloves on these parts.
My question is why?
I have my own theories but would like to hear some thoughts from you.
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Post by jordan71421 on Nov 2, 2017 10:35:23 GMT -5
It’s been the same for both bands on here since Oasis split
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 2, 2017 10:40:06 GMT -5
It’s been the same for both bands on here since Oasis split I disagree wholeheartedly. Noel has just begun to see a tiny of fraction of the venom that was spewed during the Beady Eye era.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Nov 2, 2017 10:42:16 GMT -5
I've posted about this before: it's a matter of perception. If you don't care that much about Noel, you tend to filter out the criticism directed to him or forget about it rapidly even if you're not aware. Likewise, you devote your attention to the criticism directed to Liam. And viceversa. The truth is both sides are getting praise and criticism. I'm not going to claim they're getting the same amount of both as that would require a careful study by an impartial entity, but I'd bet it's pretty balanced, as there are sections of the forum catering for both.
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Post by Spaceman on Nov 2, 2017 10:45:21 GMT -5
Not sure why but there's clearly a double standard tbh.
I can't even begin to imagine the ammount of shit Beady Eye would've gotten for having someone on stage playing fuckin scissors.
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Post by pickupthebase on Nov 2, 2017 10:46:57 GMT -5
I agree 100% - trouble is Noel can do no wrong in some people’s eyes and are waiting for liam to fail.
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Post by Manualex on Nov 2, 2017 10:47:29 GMT -5
Why does there seem to be a different set of rules being critical over Noel Gallagher amongst many Oasis fans? During the Beady Eye years, the venom thrown Liam and Co.'s way was pretty ferocious. Noel's latest numbers (save Fort Knox) are alarmingly bad to these ears yet many want to treat him with kid gloves on these parts. My question is why? I have my own theories but would like to hear some thoughts from you. DG,SS had some DBTT/retro vibes, but with less quality control, good if you want to hear more of that sound. But Noel's new material isnt the same old, same old. I get that it isnt for everyone but i always wanted him to experimental something more than the 3-4-5 chord song that we all know he can write and is one of the best at that. It could be shit, it could be great or something in between. We have to wait until the album is released and the music will speak for itself.
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Post by discworld on Nov 2, 2017 10:55:13 GMT -5
Persecutory delusion
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Post by chamu on Nov 2, 2017 10:57:03 GMT -5
Over last years (until last year) everything Liam´s related thing here has been inmensely criticized by most of us. It’s been the same for both bands on here since Oasis split Not really. Negative things about Noel all these years have been very limited here. And maybe it was a well-deserved thing...but, mainly, because he did a very good job over the years pointed towards Liam as the main cause of Oasis split. And because he put out some great records too, of course Me, as an Oasis fan, i´m very happy with this two releases. But me, as a real Oasis fan over the last twenty five years, i can honestly say that i´m very dissapointed with Noel Gallagher lately. Not really enjoying these new songs and not really enjoying his last appearances in shows,press,...Saying that, i´ll buy his new record the day it comes out and i´ll always be excited when he put new music out. Because, the really important thing here is the music, not Noel Gallagher as a person. And by last, if I criticize Noel G it´s not because I´m A Liam fanboy. It´s, simply, because i don´t like some things about him
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 11:06:29 GMT -5
Over last years (until last year) everything Liam´s related thing here has been inmensely criticized by most of us. It’s been the same for both bands on here since Oasis split Not really. Negative things about Noel all these years have been very limited here. And maybe it was a well-deserved thing...but, mainly, because he did a very good job over the years pointed towards Liam as the main cause of Oasis split. And because he put out some great records too, of course Me, as an Oasis fan, i´m very happy with this two releases. But me, as a real Oasis fan over the last twenty five years, i can honestly say that i´m very dissapointed with Noel Gallagher lately. Not really enjoying these new songs and not really enjoying his last appearances in shows,press,...Saying that, i´ll buy his new record the day it comes out and i´ll always be excited when he put new music out. Because, the really important thing here is the music, not Noel Gallagher as a person. And by last, if I criticize Noel G it´s not because I´m A Liam fanboy. It´s, simply, because i don´t like some things about himImpossible. You must be parka monkey who only listens to Oasis and Kasabian.
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Post by mrose on Nov 2, 2017 11:13:14 GMT -5
I'm a relatively new fan of Oasis. but I can remember when I first started to really get into and them the biggest thing I noticed were all the comments on how horrible Liam was. At that point I started to really like Noel because he was in the spotlight more, there were more interviews, and in the interviews Liam had at the time he was pretty dull. So I started to agree with most of what Noel was saying because if you're a casual fan, Liam comes across a bit of a dick. My opinion was only heightened when reading all the comments on YouTube, Liam's twitter, or even when you do a simple search for Liam, the comments are unbelievably mean. It felt like no one was on his side for anything, no matter what he did he was always the "luckiest man in music". When I became a bigger fan of Oasis, the more I started to warm to Liam, I still love Noel though. But when I became a bigger fan of Noel I found out he was coming to Cleveland and I went to go listen to his music and had a hard time really getting into it; then Beady Eye randomly came on to playlist I was listening to and I enjoyed some of their music. So when I saw people's reviews of Beady Eye and Liam in particular I was a bit confused because I didn't think they were half as bad as people were making them out to be. Reading people's comments on here about Noel's new music doesn't seem to be as harsh as any comment Liam has gotten, while the reviews aren't all positive they all seem to take an optimistic tone, while the negative comments on any Liam venture seem to take a more pessimistic tone. I will say though, some of the harsher comments of Noel I've seen are on Instagram, not really on here.
I think there's a slight difference because Noel has a reputation of amongst his fans of not putting out poor music, so going on past experiences people have enjoyed his music so why would this time be any different.
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Post by carlober on Nov 2, 2017 11:15:42 GMT -5
The thing is, we only see what we want to see.
Beady Eye were (often unfairly) criticized by many people on here because they thought the music was subpar. And now, Noel is (often unfairly) criticized by many people on here because they think the music is subpar. And also because they believe he suddenly became a dick in the last two years. Yeah, the same man who in 1995 told Blur to catch AIDS and die.
Honestly, I see very little difference. Some of the shit that gets thrown at Noel right now is insane. Definitely as bad as the crazy shit that people threw at Beady Eye.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 11:32:30 GMT -5
Beady Eye were Oasis minus the songwriter, and Liam's voice was in tatters. Additionally, in interviews, Liam came across as angry, bitter, and (completely unjustifiably) arrogant AF. Faced with that, we slung mud, and rightly so.
I, for one, thought he was done when Beady Eye disbanded, but I certainly never WISHED that to be the case. I am more surprised than anyone that he came out with an album I actually enjoy listening to (most of it, anyway) and that his voice is doing a Benjamin Button. I had a blast seeing him play in a super small venue in Brooklyn over the summer and I can't wait to see him in a bigger venue later this month in Manhattan.
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Post by jxing on Nov 2, 2017 11:35:15 GMT -5
I've been saying this for awhile... it's very different vibe on Noel's thread if you have criticism compared to criticism on Liam thread. And i don't think it is just somes perspective... more people are having the same experience. And it's not just because some are "Liam fanboys"...
If Liam had a girl playing scissors on stage... there would have been a completely different response from what is on the Noel thread. I'm starting to think that Noel is trying to prove a point with the scissors, which is He can do no wrong. And don't even get me started on those VIP packages.
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Post by carlober on Nov 2, 2017 11:48:14 GMT -5
Also... let me add another thing.
In the past months we had some people on here who clearly wanted Liam to fail. Liam's success shut them up for the most part. What I notice now is that some other users act like they desperately want to see Noel fail. What's the point of that? I won't tell names. You know who you were... or are. Grow up.
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Post by mape on Nov 2, 2017 12:11:35 GMT -5
There is definitely a double standard in the way both sides were criticized for their music. If you said Beady Eye were bad then fair enough, their music was forgettable for the most part.
If you said anything from WBTM is bad you get paragraph replies about how you're not clever enough to understand Noel's music, you're stuck in the 90s, Noel is making bad music on purpose etc
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Post by janelr on Nov 2, 2017 12:19:25 GMT -5
I'm a relatively new fan of Oasis. but I can remember when I first started to really get into and them the biggest thing I noticed were all the comments on how horrible Liam was. At that point I started to really like Noel because he was in the spotlight more, there were more interviews, and in the interviews Liam had at the time he was pretty dull. So I started to agree with most of what Noel was saying because if you're a casual fan, Liam comes across a bit of a dick. My opinion was only heightened when reading all the comments on YouTube, Liam's twitter, or even when you do a simple search for Liam, the comments are unbelievably mean. It felt like no one was on his side for anything, no matter what he did he was always the "luckiest man in music". When I became a bigger fan of Oasis, the more I started to warm to Liam, I still love Noel though. But when I became a bigger fan of Noel I found out he was coming to Cleveland and I went to go listen to his music and had a hard time really getting into it; then Beady Eye randomly came on to playlist I was listening to and I enjoyed some of their music. So when I saw people's reviews of Beady Eye and Liam in particular I was a bit confused because I didn't think they were half as bad as people were making them out to be. Reading people's comments on here about Noel's new music doesn't seem to be as harsh as any comment Liam has gotten, while the reviews aren't all positive they all seem to take an optimistic tone, while the negative comments on any Liam venture seem to take a more pessimistic tone. I will say though, some of the harsher comments of Noel I've seen are on Instagram, not really on here. I think there's a slight difference because Noel has a reputation of amongst his fans of not putting out poor music, so going on past experiences people have enjoyed his music so why would this time be any different. My experience is similar to yours as I'm a relatively new fan as well. I knew and liked the Oasis hits from my college days but nothing more beyond that (I'm in the US). When I got dragged to see Supersonic last year my friend had to tell me which brother was which. So I consider myself a relatively blank slate going into that film. I think Matt Whitecross did Liam a lot of good in that film -- I came out of there and read books, old interviews, watched DVDs, YouTube clips, etc., bought all the Oasis CDs and even checked out NGHFB and Beady Eye on Spotify. Neither solo projects wowed me very much but I was taken aback by all the venom spewed at Liam in many of the YT comments -- much harsher and more prevalent than those directed at Noel -- particularly those blaming Liam for the demise of Oasis and branding him as the untalented brother who was negligible to Oasis' success. It just didn't seem a fair characterization to me. So I have to say I'm delighted for his current success. I will always think the brothers are better together than they are apart so I want equal footing for them and I see the current state of affairs as just the world balancing things out. To everything there is a season, as they say.
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 2, 2017 12:29:35 GMT -5
Also... let me add another thing. In the past months we had some people on here who clearly wanted Liam to fail. Liam's success shut them up for the most part. What I notice now is that some other users act like they desperately want to see Noel fail. What's the point of that? I won't tell names. You know who you were... or are. Grow up. I am/was looking forward to Noel's new record. Two of the three songs don't live up to my expectations. He has set a high bar and he hasn't come near approaching it on Holy Mountain or She Taught Me How to Fly. I am sure there will be a highlight or two on the album but if the album, in general, is regarded as a failure it may be the best thing for him. He seems to have let success get to his head and that is never a good thing creatively. An aside. I've met them both and Liam is much more friendly and down to earth. How Noel managed to spin he was some kind of monster for so many years was the biggest sin I think he committed.
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Post by underneaththesky on Nov 2, 2017 12:33:40 GMT -5
nonsense some pretty mad "arguments" all over the place and you're still talking about the fucking scissors??? seriously....
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 2, 2017 12:41:24 GMT -5
nonsense some pretty mad "arguments" all over the place and you're still talking about the fucking scissors??? seriously.... One of my all time favorite quotes was Noel dissing Sonic Youth for doing stupid experimental things with guitars because of its douchebaggery. Noel now has some bird playing with scissors and is supposed to get a free pass from his fan base? I think not.
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Post by underneaththesky on Nov 2, 2017 12:46:55 GMT -5
oh fuck, let it go man
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Post by Doc Lobster on Nov 2, 2017 12:57:25 GMT -5
nonsense some pretty mad "arguments" all over the place and you're still talking about the fucking scissors??? seriously.... One of my all time favorite quotes was Noel dissing Sonic Youth for doing stupid experimental things with guitars because of its douchebaggery. Noel now has some bird playing with scissors and is supposed to get a free pass from his fan base? I think not. Yes. It's the stupid comment about Sonic Youth that shouldn't get a free pass.
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Post by y2koasis on Nov 2, 2017 13:01:03 GMT -5
One of my all time favorite quotes was Noel dissing Sonic Youth for doing stupid experimental things with guitars because of its douchebaggery. Noel now has some bird playing with scissors and is supposed to get a free pass from his fan base? I think not. Yes. It's the stupid comment about Sonic Youth that shouldn't get a free pass. As I stated in an earlier thread. If the song was any good, the scissors would get a pass as being funny. The song is filler at best and just shows pure pretentiousness. That isn't what made Noel a superstar and was sure to piss off some long time fans. Stop giving him a pass for doing stupid shit that Liam would be hung on a cross for.
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Post by jordan71421 on Nov 2, 2017 13:02:10 GMT -5
People’s perceptions of who has been treated worse over the years is clouded by who they prefer musically, naturally.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Nov 2, 2017 13:03:51 GMT -5
Yes. It's the stupid comment about Sonic Youth that shouldn't get a free pass. As I stated in an earlier thread. If the song was any good, the scissors would get a pass as being funny. The song is filler at best and just shows pure pretentiousness. That isn't what made Noel a superstar and was sure to piss off some long time fans. Stop giving him a pass for doing stupid shit that Liam would be hung on a cross for. Let us say we disagree about the song and leave it at that. As for Liam, didn't he use a Chinese fan (or something similar) as a prop? I for one don't have an issue with that either. It's just a bit of fun.
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