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Post by spaneli on Aug 15, 2017 8:10:57 GMT -5
12th on the trending chart 34th on the midweeks For comparison on their respective first weeks on the charts back in June & July Chinatown : 14th on trending, 37th on midweeks Wall Of Glass : 6th on trending, 18th on midweeks So looks like it's doing more or less the same as Chinatown (maybe better, but it's only a few places so can't really tell for sure), but nowhere near how Wall of Glass did. As a comparison, Beady Eye's first few singles: Bring the Light: #61 The Roller: #31 FLW: #114 Millionaire: #71 The Beat Goes On: #64 If you throw out FLW, which had a really weird release and is clearly the outlier, then Liam's doing about 10 spots better on each single than Beady Eye did. That's an encouraging sign that it's not just the diehards that are buying the singles.
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Post by birthdaycakes7 on Aug 15, 2017 8:41:45 GMT -5
Like it sounds bad but if it stays there long enough it could sneak onto the Alternative or Rock chart. Green Day were at #1 on the Alternative chart but their song was floating around #350
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Post by spaneli on Aug 15, 2017 9:29:21 GMT -5
Like it sounds bad but if it stays there long enough it could sneak onto the Alternative or Rock chart. Green Day were at #1 on the Alternative chart but their song was floating around #350 That's based on radio play. Green Day got propped up by radio stations. The same isn't happening for Liam, unfortunately.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Aug 15, 2017 18:01:36 GMT -5
12th on the trending chart 34th on the midweeks For comparison on their respective first weeks on the charts back in June & July Chinatown : 14th on trending, 37th on midweeks Wall Of Glass : 6th on trending, 18th on midweeks So looks like it's doing more or less the same as Chinatown (maybe better, but it's only a few places so can't really tell for sure), but nowhere near how Wall of Glass did. As a comparison, Beady Eye's first few singles: Bring the Light: #61 The Roller: #31 FLW: #114 Millionaire: #71 The Beat Goes On: #64 If you throw out FLW, which had a really weird release and is clearly the outlier, then Liam's doing about 10 spots better on each single than Beady Eye did. That's an encouraging sign that it's not just the diehards that are buying the singles. To be honest in hindsight those Beady Eye singles did alot better than any of us gave them credit for at the time because we were comparing them to the brilliant success of the Oasis singles. But in reality even Oasis would have started to seriously drop in their singles sales too. DGSS singles were already starting to take a small hit and in the years after it became all about downloads and streams and bigger rock acts than Oasis have struggled alot.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 15, 2017 18:19:44 GMT -5
In 2017 I don't even know what it means to have a "hit" record anymore. Is it critical buzz? Is it physical sales? Is it streams? Is it just getting an album #1 or have it last in the charts? I feel like this industry is crumbling. Sure the dinosaurs can scrap a buck here and there based on back catalogue but what about newer bands or bands 10 years from now? Are potential great artists gonna be turned away to something else because a career can't be made in it anymore? Strange days indeed.
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Post by ricardogce on Aug 15, 2017 21:09:34 GMT -5
Pre-digital bands needed hit records, and that was enough to keep them wealthy. As Don McLean says, the true meaning of "American Pie" is that he doesn't ever have to work again. Post-digital, you need ears listening (not necessarily buying), and then tour and tour. And hopefully have your music licensed.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 15, 2017 22:25:57 GMT -5
In 2017 I don't even know what it means to have a "hit" record anymore. Is it critical buzz? Is it physical sales? Is it streams? Is it just getting an album #1 or have it last in the charts? I feel like this industry is crumbling. Sure the dinosaurs can scrap a buck here and there based on back catalogue but what about newer bands or bands 10 years from now? Are potential great artists gonna be turned away to something else because a career can't be made in it anymore? Strange days indeed. I'm not sure either. I think a "hit" is any song that has enough exposure, usually through a combination of streams and charts, that allows you to tour and move up the ladder: so going from a theater band to an arena band. The majority of money comes from touring and merchandise. It also comes from branding, where you can sell your name to be on products. I mean, most of the biggest artists don't get the lion share of the money they do get from "hits" because they aren't writers. I was talking to my friends about this yesterday. The idea of a single songwriter writing all of his/her material and getting all of the profits for a world wide smash album are gone. I can't think of any album in the last 5 years by someone under 35, who wrote all of their songs and had a big seller. Throw in the idea of it being an all time great album like DM or WTSMG, and it's sad to say, but.....they're gone. Even if you are a good artist or writer, a record company won't take a chance of you writing your own material by yourself because they can't afford on the risk.
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Post by smash on Aug 16, 2017 1:14:42 GMT -5
I was talking to my friends about this yesterday. The idea of a single songwriter writing all of his/her material and getting all of the profits for a world wide smash album are gone. I can't think of any album in the last 5 years by someone under 35, who wrote all of their songs and had a big seller. Throw in the idea of it being an all time great album like DM or WTSMG, and it's sad to say, but.....they're gone. Even if you are a good artist or writer, a record company won't take a chance of you writing your own material by yourself because they can't afford on the risk. Ed Sheeran
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Post by frogerz on Aug 16, 2017 1:44:12 GMT -5
I was talking to my friends about this yesterday. The idea of a single songwriter writing all of his/her material and getting all of the profits for a world wide smash album are gone. I can't think of any album in the last 5 years by someone under 35, who wrote all of their songs and had a big seller. Throw in the idea of it being an all time great album like DM or WTSMG, and it's sad to say, but.....they're gone. Even if you are a good artist or writer, a record company won't take a chance of you writing your own material by yourself because they can't afford on the risk. Ed Sheeran He's not the only songwriter on pretty much all of his songs nowadays though.
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Post by birthdaycakes7 on Aug 16, 2017 7:27:25 GMT -5
#581 in US now lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 7:31:35 GMT -5
In 2017 I don't even know what it means to have a "hit" record anymore. Is it critical buzz? Is it physical sales? Is it streams? Is it just getting an album #1 or have it last in the charts? I feel like this industry is crumbling. Sure the dinosaurs can scrap a buck here and there based on back catalogue but what about newer bands or bands 10 years from now? Are potential great artists gonna be turned away to something else because a career can't be made in it anymore? Strange days indeed. You can make more money writing tunes for others than performing yourself now-a-days. Writing credits are a serious cash cow for talented writers. And you don't have the hassle of dealing with touring, interviews, or the like. It's the same with most media now days actually. Film, television, music, theater. All of it.
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Post by draper on Aug 16, 2017 7:38:54 GMT -5
Seems a bit weird they didn't release a video on youtube the same day as FWIW was first played on the radio. A real video has a bigger impact then that lyrics video that's up there now I think. They did a video for Chinatown but not (or not yet) for FWIW which was originally being hyped as the big song off the album.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 16, 2017 8:18:00 GMT -5
I was talking to my friends about this yesterday. The idea of a single songwriter writing all of his/her material and getting all of the profits for a world wide smash album are gone. I can't think of any album in the last 5 years by someone under 35, who wrote all of their songs and had a big seller. Throw in the idea of it being an all time great album like DM or WTSMG, and it's sad to say, but.....they're gone. Even if you are a good artist or writer, a record company won't take a chance of you writing your own material by yourself because they can't afford on the risk. Ed Sheeran Sheeran has had songwriting help on every album.
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Post by cloudburster on Aug 17, 2017 15:12:24 GMT -5
IMO I wouldn't disregard Liam and his popularity. Grant it, I have absolutely nothing to base this on except that if this year has taught us anything in all our countries; it's that people are tired of PC, their done with "celebrities" trying to impose their beliefs and needs on to them. They want honesty and appreciation. Say what you want about Liam, but he has never spoken about politics, and he's stayed true to his roots and his people. If anything, that's the comments that I'm noticing on social media. I agree with Liam, Noel has become everything that he once spoke out about. And Noel likes the attention just as much as LG, he may be able to beat him in the charts in some ways, but I don't see him being able to compete with the simple fact that people will always choose and root for the underdog. However, LG has to continue to be work and appreciate his fans. He cannot afford another Chicago. I have no clue if we will see anything in the charts that represent LG or NG fan base. All im saying, is i wouldn't be surprised if LG knocks Noel off his pedestal. I really don't want to make this into a Noel vs. Liam debate. There are too many of those. But you're discounting the fact that Noel has two platinum albums, he already has a proven track record as a solo artist filling up arenas, even competing against professional songwriters Noel is still able to craft better songs imo, hes had a single in WAL thats had higher sales than some Oasis singles, and he's never at risk of a Chicago happening to him (which is a really big thing). Plus, he's generally respected among peers, reviewers, and most taste makers. I think there's a loss here of some forgetting why Noel has been so successful. Tbh, Noel's always had success in his career and there's a reason for that. The above as a solo artist is A LOT of success. Success that most, even well funded, artists don't get. Noel made it look easy, but it's not. I don't think fans realize how hard that stuff is. And mind you, I'm also saying that Liam will most likely skate into #1 For As You Were. Noels 2nd album didn't go Platinum? Thought it was stuck on gold
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Post by Gas Panic on Aug 17, 2017 15:16:25 GMT -5
I really don't want to make this into a Noel vs. Liam debate. There are too many of those. But you're discounting the fact that Noel has two platinum albums, he already has a proven track record as a solo artist filling up arenas, even competing against professional songwriters Noel is still able to craft better songs imo, hes had a single in WAL thats had higher sales than some Oasis singles, and he's never at risk of a Chicago happening to him (which is a really big thing). Plus, he's generally respected among peers, reviewers, and most taste makers. I think there's a loss here of some forgetting why Noel has been so successful. Tbh, Noel's always had success in his career and there's a reason for that. The above as a solo artist is A LOT of success. Success that most, even well funded, artists don't get. Noel made it look easy, but it's not. I don't think fans realize how hard that stuff is. And mind you, I'm also saying that Liam will most likely skate into #1 For As You Were. Noels 2nd album didn't go Platinum? Thought it was stuck on gold It very recently reached platinum status I think.
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Aug 17, 2017 17:38:50 GMT -5
Anyone interested and didn't see my thread I made a FWIW music video. It's made as a apology to Noel. Liam's record company can thank me later lol I will make them #1
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Post by frogerz on Aug 18, 2017 12:29:32 GMT -5
Entered the UK charts at 46.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 18, 2017 12:49:27 GMT -5
It didn't chart here. Not that I expected it to chart in the mainstream top40.
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Post by liamsloafers on Aug 19, 2017 1:56:09 GMT -5
Can't understand the lack of interest in this song in uk. Not a lot of radio play at all. Not even listed in radio 2 playlists obviously harming its chart chances. No video either. It's like the ball has stopped rolling. Would of thought after the success of WOG his management would of pushed this song. Very strange.
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Aug 19, 2017 2:10:23 GMT -5
Can't understand the lack of interest in this song in uk. Not a lot of radio play at all. Not even listed in radio 2 playlists obviously harming its chart chances. No video either. It's like the ball has stopped rolling. Would of thought after the success of WOG his management would of pushed this song. Very strange. You can't polish a turd.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 19, 2017 2:27:50 GMT -5
Can't understand the lack of interest in this song in uk. Not a lot of radio play at all. Not even listed in radio 2 playlists obviously harming its chart chances. No video either. It's like the ball has stopped rolling. Would of thought after the success of WOG his management would of pushed this song. Very strange. Honestly, #46 isn't bad. That's a higher charting than all but one of Beady Eye's singles. It's only a bad charting if you're expecting Liam to run over the competition. But Liam and Noel are always going to have trouble on the singles charts because of streaming. Plus, I think releasing Chinatown was a mistake. It felt like it really took away whatever momentum WOG had.
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Post by freddy838 on Aug 19, 2017 4:17:09 GMT -5
Yeah number 46 generally follows the trend of post-Oasis albums, in fact it's probably a lot higher than most singles. They could perhaps have waited until Liam was back in the country for Reading and Leeds so he could promote the song a bit more.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 19, 2017 4:27:15 GMT -5
So I ordered WoG single on release then preordered the album. Chinatown and FWIW were then downloaded automatically when available. Do they count as single sales or not?
I'd presume they would otherwise the album preorder would hurt any further single releases, but I can't find any answer online. Although I'm working so haven't had a great deal of time to look.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Aug 19, 2017 4:39:49 GMT -5
Can't understand the lack of interest in this song in uk. Not a lot of radio play at all. Not even listed in radio 2 playlists obviously harming its chart chances. No video either. It's like the ball has stopped rolling. Would of thought after the success of WOG his management would of pushed this song. Very strange. Honestly, #46 isn't bad. That's a higher charting than all but one of Beady Eye's singles. It's only a bad charting if you're expecting Liam to run over the competition. But Liam and Noel are always going to have trouble on the singles charts because of streaming. Plus, I think releasing Chinatown was a mistake. It felt like it really took away whatever momentum WOG had. Yeah, I was thinking the same about Chinatown. But I guess if their objective was to generate more album pre-orders and keep the pot boiling then it kind of worked. In terms of radio play, I'm surprised Radio 2 aren't playing FWIW a lot considering the exposure they gave Wall of Glass.
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Post by space75gr on Aug 19, 2017 6:32:26 GMT -5
It s still some kind of indie hit. Can you name many rock indie singles in the charts? Job' s done with FWIW. keep the fan base busy, bring the name in the headlines, keep touring til the album arrives. Liam s still everywhere with only positive reviews n comments.
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