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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 11, 2017 22:10:19 GMT -5
Liam's not at arena level. Liam hasn't announced a UK tour or released an album yet. I mean, on his last solo tour Noel played at the Echo arena. That's 11k people. He played a total of 6 arenas on the last UK/Ireland leg of his tour, totaling over 60k people. Mind you, Noel has two platinum albums (the first going near triple platinum), BRIT appearances, and bigger solo hits than Liam. And even he showed trepidation about playing arenas. To assume Liam has it in the bag is presuming a lot. Yet, my perception - as a non-UK-citizen - is, that Liam Gallagher has a way bigger image than Noel does? Like all those lads and geezers and mancunians and whatnotever, they love Liam in the UK, don't they? To me it felt at Oasis concerts in the UK that the huge majority of people had that "let's got with my mates to an rock'n'roll night, down 10 pints and have a good time"-vibe. Seeing Noel during his UK tour in 2012 it felt much more like a matured, calm audience. That's why I'm wondering if walterglass might not be that wrong, that Liam could draw different (and bigger) crowds with his swagger attitude in the UK? With so much star power like you say Liam has it certainly didn't help Beady Eye go #1 or have big sales numbers. If he was as big as you say in England it would have crossed over no? I mean people in England know he was in Beady Eye. It wasn't a secret. They promoted hard. Nothing stuck.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 11, 2017 22:19:49 GMT -5
Liam's not at arena level. Liam hasn't announced a UK tour or released an album yet. I mean, on his last solo tour Noel played at the Echo arena. That's 11k people. He played a total of 6 arenas on the last UK/Ireland leg of his tour, totaling over 60k people. Mind you, Noel has two platinum albums (the first going near triple platinum), BRIT appearances, and bigger solo hits than Liam. And even he showed trepidation about playing arenas. To assume Liam has it in the bag is presuming a lot. Yet, my perception - as a non-UK-citizen - is, that Liam Gallagher has a way bigger image than Noel does? Like all those lads and geezers and mancunians and whatnotever, they love Liam in the UK, don't they? To me it felt at Oasis concerts in the UK that the huge majority of people had that "let's got with my mates to an rock'n'roll night, down 10 pints and have a good time"-vibe. Seeing Noel during his UK tour in 2012 it felt much more like a matured, calm audience. That's why I'm wondering if walterglass might not be that wrong, that Liam could draw different (and bigger) crowds with his swagger attitude in the UK? That was the case with Beady Eye too. In the end, that just means that you have very dedicated fans, but that doesn't mean you have enough fans for several arenas. No matter the "vibe," Noel is playing arenas. Vibe has little to do with it.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 11, 2017 22:22:33 GMT -5
Yet, my perception - as a non-UK-citizen - is, that Liam Gallagher has a way bigger image than Noel does? Like all those lads and geezers and mancunians and whatnotever, they love Liam in the UK, don't they? To me it felt at Oasis concerts in the UK that the huge majority of people had that "let's got with my mates to an rock'n'roll night, down 10 pints and have a good time"-vibe. Seeing Noel during his UK tour in 2012 it felt much more like a matured, calm audience. That's why I'm wondering if walterglass might not be that wrong, that Liam could draw different (and bigger) crowds with his swagger attitude in the UK? With so much star power like you say Liam has it certainly didn't help Beady Eye go #1 or have big sales numbers. If he was as big as you say in England it would have crossed over no? I mean people in England know he was in Beady Eye. It wasn't a secret. They promoted hard. Nothing stuck. People seriously forget how much buzz Beady Eye had leading into the launch of their album. The major difference right now is Liam having songwriters who are writing solid singles for him and not releasing Bring the Light. But arenas are a major step.
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 11, 2017 22:23:42 GMT -5
Yet, my perception - as a non-UK-citizen - is, that Liam Gallagher has a way bigger image than Noel does? Like all those lads and geezers and mancunians and whatnotever, they love Liam in the UK, don't they? To me it felt at Oasis concerts in the UK that the huge majority of people had that "let's got with my mates to an rock'n'roll night, down 10 pints and have a good time"-vibe. Seeing Noel during his UK tour in 2012 it felt much more like a matured, calm audience. That's why I'm wondering if walterglass might not be that wrong, that Liam could draw different (and bigger) crowds with his swagger attitude in the UK? That was the case with Beady Eye too. In the end, that just means that you have very dedicated fans, but that doesn't mean you have enough fans for several arenas. No matter the "vibe," Noel is playing arenas. Vibe has little to do with it. Probably worth noting that the whole "WAHEYYYY THE LAAADDDDDZZZZZZ" vibe probably turns off as many people as it attracts.
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Post by jxing on Aug 11, 2017 22:24:37 GMT -5
IMO I wouldn't disregard Liam and his popularity. Grant it, I have absolutely nothing to base this on except that if this year has taught us anything in all our countries; it's that people are tired of PC, their done with "celebrities" trying to impose their beliefs and needs on to them. They want honesty and appreciation. Say what you want about Liam, but he has never spoken about politics, and he's stayed true to his roots and his people. If anything, that's the comments that I'm noticing on social media. I agree with Liam, Noel has become everything that he once spoke out about. And Noel likes the attention just as much as LG, he may be able to beat him in the charts in some ways, but I don't see him being able to compete with the simple fact that people will always choose and root for the underdog.
However, LG has to continue to be work and appreciate his fans. He cannot afford another Chicago.
I have no clue if we will see anything in the charts that represent LG or NG fan base. All im saying, is i wouldn't be surprised if LG knocks Noel off his pedestal.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 11, 2017 22:41:00 GMT -5
IMO I wouldn't disregard Liam and his popularity. Grant it, I have absolutely nothing to base this on except that if this year has taught us anything in all our countries; it's that people are tired of PC, their done with "celebrities" trying to impose their beliefs and needs on to them. They want honesty and appreciation. Say what you want about Liam, but he has never spoken about politics, and he's stayed true to his roots and his people. If anything, that's the comments that I'm noticing on social media. I agree with Liam, Noel has become everything that he once spoke out about. And Noel likes the attention just as much as LG, he may be able to beat him in the charts in some ways, but I don't see him being able to compete with the simple fact that people will always choose and root for the underdog. However, LG has to continue to be work and appreciate his fans. He cannot afford another Chicago. I have no clue if we will see anything in the charts that represent LG or NG fan base. All im saying, is i wouldn't be surprised if LG knocks Noel off his pedestal. I really don't want to make this into a Noel vs. Liam debate. There are too many of those. But you're discounting the fact that Noel has two platinum albums, he already has a proven track record as a solo artist filling up arenas, even competing against professional songwriters Noel is still able to craft better songs imo, hes had a single in WAL thats had higher sales than some Oasis singles, and he's never at risk of a Chicago happening to him (which is a really big thing). Plus, he's generally respected among peers, reviewers, and most taste makers. I think there's a loss here of some forgetting why Noel has been so successful. Tbh, Noel's always had success in his career and there's a reason for that. The above as a solo artist is A LOT of success. Success that most, even well funded, artists don't get. Noel made it look easy, but it's not. I don't think fans realize how hard that stuff is. And mind you, I'm also saying that Liam will most likely skate into #1 For As You Were.
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Post by jxing on Aug 11, 2017 23:16:03 GMT -5
You could be 100% right. I'm definitely not trying to start a NG/LG debate. I'm just saying that crazier things have happened. 😉
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Post by knownoname on Aug 12, 2017 2:57:32 GMT -5
Yet, my perception - as a non-UK-citizen - is, that Liam Gallagher has a way bigger image than Noel does? Like all those lads and geezers and mancunians and whatnotever, they love Liam in the UK, don't they? To me it felt at Oasis concerts in the UK that the huge majority of people had that "let's got with my mates to an rock'n'roll night, down 10 pints and have a good time"-vibe. Seeing Noel during his UK tour in 2012 it felt much more like a matured, calm audience. That's why I'm wondering if walterglass might not be that wrong, that Liam could draw different (and bigger) crowds with his swagger attitude in the UK? With so much star power like you say Liam has it certainly didn't help Beady Eye go #1 or have big sales numbers. If he was as big as you say in England it would have crossed over no? I mean people in England know he was in Beady Eye. It wasn't a secret. They promoted hard. Nothing stuck. You are right Lennon, I completely forgot about the Beady Eye disaster. Yet, I think having his name out there on the posters is better than Beady Eye's and now the songs seem to deliver better. But it's true, Beady Eye gave us an indication that arenas are probably not within reach even as a solo artists.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 12, 2017 3:14:32 GMT -5
Liam's not at arena level. Liam hasn't announced a UK tour or released an album yet. I mean, on his last solo tour Noel played at the Echo arena. That's 11k people. He played a total of 6 arenas on the last UK/Ireland leg of his tour, totaling over 60k people. Mind you, Noel has two platinum albums (the first going near triple platinum), BRIT appearances, and bigger solo hits than Liam. And even he showed trepidation about playing arenas. To assume Liam has it in the bag is presuming a lot. Yet, my perception - as a non-UK-citizen - is, that Liam Gallagher has a way bigger image than Noel does? Like all those lads and geezers and mancunians and whatnotever, they love Liam in the UK, don't they? To me it felt at Oasis concerts in the UK that the huge majority of people had that "let's got with my mates to an rock'n'roll night, down 10 pints and have a good time"-vibe. Seeing Noel during his UK tour in 2012 it felt much more like a matured, calm audience. That's why I'm wondering if walterglass might not be that wrong, that Liam could draw different (and bigger) crowds with his swagger attitude in the UK? Calm? My mom nearly broke her ribs the first time we went to see Noel. She had to be carried out by security! It was by no means calm. And I've seen a fair share of metal bands live. As well in small venues as at festivals.
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Post by Rolo on Aug 12, 2017 3:43:20 GMT -5
If Richard Ashcroft can do Arena shows then Liam definitely can.
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Post by glider on Aug 12, 2017 3:52:07 GMT -5
If Richard Ashcroft can do Arena shows... He can't. The majority of seating is typically squared off into the front and smaller side seating near the stage as if it was a school concert.
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Post by Rolo on Aug 12, 2017 4:23:03 GMT -5
If Richard Ashcroft can do Arena shows... He can't. The majority of seating is typically squared off into the front and smaller side seating near the stage as if it was a school concert. I think if Liam just started with one in Manchester this time round he'd do it easily. No need for a full blown Arena tour.
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Post by frogerz on Aug 12, 2017 4:43:09 GMT -5
Liam could do Manchester Arena easily with fairly large venues in the rest of the UK, such as Brixton etc.
Back to the music, it's currently trending at #21 on Youtube.
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Post by deasy on Aug 12, 2017 8:06:09 GMT -5
Single sales in the UK last week were at their lowest in 11 years. All about how well it does with streaming.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 8:06:43 GMT -5
I think Liam would have to be selective with his dates. My mum was on the phone the other night asking if he'd be able to do Sheffield Arena. My view is that he could but he won't because it's too close to Leeds and Manchester. He could do one arena covering those three imo.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 12, 2017 10:39:01 GMT -5
If Richard Ashcroft can do Arena shows then Liam definitely can. I believe he can too. If Noel can then he can. But I think some don't realize the amount of success an artist has to have before they can comfortably and consistently fill arenas. Some in this thread are acting as if it's a forgone conclusion. And we're not remotely near the point where Liam can do 6+ gigs of 60k+ on a tour leg.
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Post by dontbelievethetruth4 on Aug 12, 2017 10:43:20 GMT -5
With so much star power like you say Liam has it certainly didn't help Beady Eye go #1 or have big sales numbers. If he was as big as you say in England it would have crossed over no? I mean people in England know he was in Beady Eye. It wasn't a secret. They promoted hard. Nothing stuck. You are right Lennon, I completely forgot about the Beady Eye disaster. Yet, I think having his name out there on the posters is better than Beady Eye's and now the songs seem to deliver better. But it's true, Beady Eye gave us an indication that arenas are probably not within reach even as a solo artists. you also have to take into account the fact he will be doing Oasis song and not just beadyeye songs which at best were not that great. Also like others said it's his name and he has better solo stuff. The word of him sounding good again also travels
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 12, 2017 10:51:14 GMT -5
Arena talk is for 6-8 months from now. Not today.
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Post by jxing on Aug 12, 2017 14:53:25 GMT -5
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Post by Derrick on Aug 12, 2017 16:23:00 GMT -5
Very interesting article indeed, thanks!
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Post by Jgrp on Aug 13, 2017 3:13:28 GMT -5
I hope he gets to the arenas but hope it doesn't do it too early. If he does them and it's empty people will assume he's shit and stop liking him for the sake of it. If he builds it up, what with his name, big audience like glasto so far, oasis songs and decent solo stuff I think he can definitely get there. Initially I think the likes of 5,000 capacity, such as Brixton Academy, will be a great step up from the likes of Ritz 1,500 but not quite the 20,000 Manchester/o2 arena just yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 5:52:12 GMT -5
12th on the trending chart 34th on the midweeks
For comparison on their respective first weeks on the charts back in June & July Chinatown : 14th on trending, 37th on midweeks Wall Of Glass : 6th on trending, 18th on midweeks
So looks like it's doing more or less the same as Chinatown (maybe better, but it's only a few places so can't really tell for sure), but nowhere near how Wall of Glass did.
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Post by birthdaycakes7 on Aug 15, 2017 7:46:54 GMT -5
So far the Colbert performance has bumped it up from about #1200 to #749 on the US iTunes chart
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Post by spaneli on Aug 15, 2017 7:59:23 GMT -5
So far the Colbert performance has bumped it up from about #1200 to #749 on the US iTunes chart So, like 20 people bought it
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 15, 2017 8:09:21 GMT -5
So far the Colbert performance has bumped it up from about #1200 to #749 on the US iTunes chart
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