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Post by themanwithnoname on Aug 19, 2017 9:18:38 GMT -5
It s still some kind of indie hit. Can you name many rock indie singles in the charts? Job' s done with FWIW. keep the fan base busy, bring the name in the headlines, keep touring til the album arrives. Liam s still everywhere with only positive reviews n comments. True. Although having released a single that seems to have been created with mainstream radio air play in mind they're probably a bit annoyed it's not getting many spins. Still no idea why they haven't done a video.
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 19, 2017 9:53:23 GMT -5
It s still some kind of indie hit. Can you name many rock indie singles in the charts? Job' s done with FWIW. keep the fan base busy, bring the name in the headlines, keep touring til the album arrives. Liam s still everywhere with only positive reviews n comments. True. Although having released a single that seems to have been created with mainstream radio air play in mind they're probably a bit annoyed it's not getting many spins. Still no idea why they haven't done a video. They have done a video pal. The email from his marketing folk said it was coming soon.
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Post by smash on Aug 19, 2017 10:42:10 GMT -5
I think the eye is on the album, and the singles are just being used to prop up continuing interest without a huge focus on each one being a "hit". Case in point: Presales (at least in the UK) seem to be chugging along. I'm not sure where this (http://kworb.net/itunes/artist/liamgallagher.html) pulls data from for presales, but last week the album showed up and it has been between #12-14 in the UK since. This is good because all the presales count when it is actually released and people download or receive the real item (see here for detail: hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=298805. I do think they are following the same idea behind bands like Arcade Fire - focus on the album, not the songs. Arcade Fire has albums that do great, but they aren't a singles band. Here's a link where you can see how their albums have done as opposed to their singles (pull down to see the different US charts): www.billboard.com/artist/279841/arcade-fire/chart?f=379&sort=position. This is not uncommon in the US - certain genres do great at producing singles (and they don't always mean a good selling album.) Other albums have zero singles, but still have big tours and great album sales. Singles are not the end all be all these days - it is more about building up an artist's specific fan base and point them towards albums and tours.
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Post by walterglass on Aug 19, 2017 12:16:25 GMT -5
I think the eye is on the album, and the singles are just being used to prop up continuing interest without a huge focus on each one being a "hit". Case in point: Presales (at least in the UK) seem to be chugging along. I'm not sure where this (http://kworb.net/itunes/artist/liamgallagher.html) pulls data from for presales, but last week the album showed up and it has been between #12-14 in the UK since. This is good because all the presales count when it is actually released and people download or receive the real item (see here for detail: hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=298805. I do think they are following the same idea behind bands like Arcade Fire - focus on the album, not the songs. Arcade Fire has albums that do great, but they aren't a singles band. Here's a link where you can see how their albums have done as opposed to their singles (pull down to see the different US charts): www.billboard.com/artist/279841/arcade-fire/chart?f=379&sort=position. This is not uncommon in the US - certain genres do great at producing singles (and they don't always mean a good selling album.) Other albums have zero singles, but still have big tours and great album sales. Singles are not the end all be all these days - it is more about building up an artist's specific fan base and point them towards albums and tours. So pre-sales for last week would've been enough to get it in the current top 20?
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Post by jxing on Aug 19, 2017 12:51:07 GMT -5
IMO, he's being successful in every aspect ... he's selling magazines,(Read below) high ratings for radio and TV appearances which contribute to album sales. I think Debbie, with her PR background, is definitely pushing this and it's working. He definitely needs to keep doing the PR during his U.S. tour. I am surprised that he hasn't had more media coverage in his Asian tour... which is ashame since I always enjoy their interviews. http://instagram.com/p/BX-edzVBntG
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 19, 2017 14:20:34 GMT -5
Debbie we salute you!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 20, 2017 1:41:58 GMT -5
played on radio 104.5 fm in philadelphia today I'm from the suburbs of philly.....104.5 is a great radio station, although I still miss Y100 - I grew with that station and still remember vividly the day it went off air, for another fucking rap station.
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Post by icebreath on Aug 20, 2017 6:19:59 GMT -5
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Aug 20, 2017 11:22:51 GMT -5
played on radio 104.5 fm in philadelphia today I'm from the suburbs of philly.....104.5 is a great radio station, although I still miss Y100 - I grew with that station and still remember vividly the day it went off air, for another fucking rap station. Meet me at the Devon Whole Foods, I will fucking level you.
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Post by magicman on Aug 20, 2017 12:17:19 GMT -5
played on radio 104.5 fm in philadelphia today I'm from the suburbs of philly.....104.5 is a great radio station, although I still miss Y100 - I grew with that station and still remember vividly the day it went off air, for another fucking rap station. y100 was great, 93.3 wmmr is king now
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Post by deasy on Aug 20, 2017 13:29:41 GMT -5
I think the eye is on the album, and the singles are just being used to prop up continuing interest without a huge focus on each one being a "hit". Case in point: Presales (at least in the UK) seem to be chugging along. I'm not sure where this (http://kworb.net/itunes/artist/liamgallagher.html) pulls data from for presales, but last week the album showed up and it has been between #12-14 in the UK since. This is good because all the presales count when it is actually released and people download or receive the real item (see here for detail: hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=298805. I do think they are following the same idea behind bands like Arcade Fire - focus on the album, not the songs. Arcade Fire has albums that do great, but they aren't a singles band. Here's a link where you can see how their albums have done as opposed to their singles (pull down to see the different US charts): www.billboard.com/artist/279841/arcade-fire/chart?f=379&sort=position. This is not uncommon in the US - certain genres do great at producing singles (and they don't always mean a good selling album.) Other albums have zero singles, but still have big tours and great album sales. Singles are not the end all be all these days - it is more about building up an artist's specific fan base and point them towards albums and tours. So pre-sales for last week would've been enough to get it in the current top 20? I'd imagine that's just looking at iTunes presales. Streaming makes up a lot of album sales these days too, so if he's up against an act with a younger audience that week he could be in trouble for #1 even if he physically sells more albums. Overall album sales last week for the UK market were their lowest ever since they started tracking them around 25 years ago. You could get a top 10 album for 5k in sales.
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Post by frogerz on Aug 23, 2017 12:06:04 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly this dropped to 77 in the midweek charts.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 23, 2017 12:12:28 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly this dropped to 77 in the midweek charts. Doing what I expected. Anything by a 40 year old is gonna do that. Same for Noel. Fucking Chris Moyles over hyping it as a big tune. Gimme a break.
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Post by walterglass on Aug 23, 2017 18:45:46 GMT -5
Not sure exactly where but somebody on here suggested that the focus would not be on the performance of singles but playing the long game of creating a swell of interest in the album and tour(s). At first glance it can look like a cop out or excuse for the performance of any single but when you look at the laid-back attitude toward releasing videos that accompany FWIW, the possibility that we could receive 3 promo videos for it - lyric/live at Air/trad promo - and that the actual traditional promo vid for FWIW will be the last to be released, it could easily back up the theory that strategy is on focussing on stuff other than singles and chart positions. It looks like they're looking to stagger the release of shareable content over a long period of time - with all eyes on Oct 6th and after.
And if we never see a traditional promo vid that'd be an even more obvious sign that singles performances and their chart positions are not hugely important to the plan of the bods involved.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Aug 24, 2017 9:03:16 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly this dropped to 77 in the midweek charts. Doing what I expected. Anything by a 40 year old is gonna do that. Same for Noel. Fucking Chris Moyles over hyping it as a big tune. Gimme a break. Sorry Mr.expert. didnt get it so right with Wall of Glass or chinatown though i bet.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 24, 2017 11:07:56 GMT -5
Doing what I expected. Anything by a 40 year old is gonna do that. Same for Noel. Fucking Chris Moyles over hyping it as a big tune. Gimme a break. Sorry Mr.expert. didnt get it so right with Wall of Glass or chinatown though i bet. Not sure what you mean? None of them were smashes. I like Wall of Glass. Not so much For What It's Worth.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 24, 2017 13:14:56 GMT -5
Sorry Mr.expert. didnt get it so right with Wall of Glass or chinatown though i bet. Not sure what you mean? None of them were smashes. I like Wall of Glass. Not so much For What It's Worth. Chinatown did about what FWIW did. That could be seen as really good or just okay. Good because Chinatown wasn't supposed to be the chart darling that FWIW should have been. So, it really overperformed to get its charting, which says that WOG probably got more people interested. However, it can be seen as only okay too, because if Chinatown overperformed, then surely FWIW underperformed. Which could say that the long release strategy could be waning and that the initial excitement has been priced in already. Or it could say that while Chinatown got a higher charting because of WOG's reception, Chinatown might not have been well received enough to do the same for FWIW, and might have been a momentum breaker. Or that not that many people liked FWIW. Still, it's all a win for Liam as preorders pile up.
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Post by jxing on Aug 24, 2017 13:40:34 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean? None of them were smashes. I like Wall of Glass. Not so much For What It's Worth. Chinatown did about what FWIW did. That could be seen as really good or just okay. Good because Chinatown wasn't supposed to be the chart darling that FWIW should have been. So, it really overperformed to get its charting, which says that WOG probably got more people interested. However, it can be seen as only okay too, because if Chinatown overperformed, then surely FWIW underperformed. Which could say that the long release strategy could be waning and that the initial excitement has been priced in already. Or it could say that while Chinatown got a higher charting because of WOG's reception, Chinatown might not have been well received enough to do the same for FWIW, and might have been a momentum breaker. Or that not that many people liked FWIW. Still, it's all a win for Liam as preorders pile up. .
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Post by spaneli on Aug 24, 2017 13:57:28 GMT -5
Chinatown did about what FWIW did. That could be seen as really good or just okay. Good because Chinatown wasn't supposed to be the chart darling that FWIW should have been. So, it really overperformed to get its charting, which says that WOG probably got more people interested. However, it can be seen as only okay too, because if Chinatown overperformed, then surely FWIW underperformed. Which could say that the long release strategy could be waning and that the initial excitement has been priced in already. Or it could say that while Chinatown got a higher charting because of WOG's reception, Chinatown might not have been well received enough to do the same for FWIW, and might have been a momentum breaker. Or that not that many people liked FWIW. Still, it's all a win for Liam as preorders pile up. . Long of the short of it, considering the type of song Chinatown was, a #56 charting was really good. Considering the type of song, FWIW was, a #46 leaves a little bit more to be desired. And there could be a couple reasons for one overperforming and the other underperforming.
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Post by importantlyidle on Aug 24, 2017 14:47:52 GMT -5
I'm shocked about FWITW's position tbh, I live in Hampshire these days days and it's getting airplay on our local station (and it caters for 60's music to present) and whatever station the factory next door has on it seems to get a lot of airplay as I hear it (and any other Oasis/Noel related song on top) at least once a day when either on a break/skive/playing golf at the back
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Post by chamu on Aug 24, 2017 16:03:34 GMT -5
. Long of the short of it, considering the type of song Chinatown was, a #56 charting was really good. Considering the type of song, FWIW was, a #46 leaves a little bit more to be desired. And there could be a couple reasons for one overperforming and the other underperforming. Chinatown was released on Friday and FWIW was released on Thursday. Considering first day of sales is the big one, FWIW(stayed top #5 on itunes chart this day and then was decreasing every day)lost its high peak. If it'd been released on Friday it would've been Top 40 easily. So i'd assume that his marketing team isn't really worried about charting high
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Post by frogerz on Aug 25, 2017 11:47:49 GMT -5
Ended up at 80 for it's second week.
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Post by blurareshit on Aug 25, 2017 13:59:05 GMT -5
According to Hits Daily Double, FWIW was released to alternative rock radio in the US this week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 14:01:16 GMT -5
It´s having a decent spike of listens on Spotify after a slow start.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 25, 2017 14:15:33 GMT -5
According to Hits Daily Double, FWIW was released to alternative rock radio in the US this week. Just now? O.o There's zero incentive for any station to play it. It's already been out for a while, plus he already appeared on Colbert. Really weird.
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