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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 7:19:32 GMT -5
Never feel the need to give it a listen.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Sept 19, 2017 7:26:49 GMT -5
Never feel the need to give it a listen. Hey aren't you writting for dork magazinee right now?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 7:28:58 GMT -5
Never feel the need to give it a listen. Hey aren't you writting for dork magazinee right now? Maybe I am. Still doesn't make For What It's Worth anymore compelling.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 19, 2017 12:37:33 GMT -5
Why do people feel the need to state their opinion as absolute fact?
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Post by noliamno on Sept 19, 2017 13:01:45 GMT -5
Well, it is a fact that it's their opinion.
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Post by batfink30 on Sept 19, 2017 15:39:24 GMT -5
Why do people feel the need to state their opinion as absolute fact? Isn't that how it always works?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 15:46:35 GMT -5
Why do people feel the need to state their opinion as absolute fact? I always approach forum comments as opinion unless there are clear certainties present. (i.e. Morning Glory sold XX copies, or something)
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Post by glider on Sept 19, 2017 16:11:56 GMT -5
Why do people feel the need to state their opinion as absolute fact? Provide an example - without evidence you're just amassing a straw man.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 19, 2017 17:47:23 GMT -5
Why do people feel the need to state their opinion as absolute fact? Provide an example - without evidence you're just amassing a straw man. Okay a quick look at the last 2 to like it and 2 to not like it - 2 who don't - "the pile of staleness that is For What It's Worth", "this hasnt aged well sorry". Stated as if this is a fact. A forceful opinion. If you think differently you are wrong kind of opinion (like the one about Beady Eye being awful). It's like that know-it-all uncle you have at a party who's telling you that Eric Cantona is the best forward to grace the Premier League, he isn't calmly reminiscing about his hero, he's frowning and pointing his jack daniels and coke towards you and if you tell him Alan Shearer was a more worthy contender, you will end up wearing that JD and coke yourself. 2 who do like it are clearly saying "i think this because" and giving their reasons in a way that adds to the debate and allows both sides to be respected. There's a way of getting your opinion across and demonstrating it is your own, without being arrogant enough to think everyone should think the same. Some people would do well to remember that on here when trying to brand things as shit. Out of interest can i ask which Robbie Williams song sounds like it's off Mind Games? Seen as we are being told it's an exact copy of both.
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Post by glider on Sept 19, 2017 21:37:09 GMT -5
Provide an example - without evidence you're just amassing a straw man. Okay a quick look at the last 2 to like it and 2 to not like it - 2 who don't - "the pile of staleness that is For What It's Worth", "this hasnt aged well sorry". Stated as if this is a fact. A forceful opinion. If you think differently you are wrong kind of opinion (like the one about Beady Eye being awful). It's like that know-it-all uncle you have at a party who's telling you that Eric Cantona is the best forward to grace the Premier League, he isn't calmly reminiscing about his hero, he's frowning and pointing his jack daniels and coke towards you and if you tell him Alan Shearer was a more worthy contender, you will end up wearing that JD and coke yourself. 2 who do like it are clearly saying "i think this because" and giving their reasons in a way that adds to the debate and allows both sides to be respected. There's a way of getting your opinion across and demonstrating it is your own, without being arrogant enough to think everyone should think the same. Some people would do well to remember that on here when trying to brand things as shit. Out of interest can i ask which Robbie Williams song sounds like it's off Mind Games? Seen as we are being told it's an exact copy of both. People have different styles of expressing their opinion man. Matt is known for his expressiveness with his opinions for example but never do I once see him say "if you like this song you are an idiot and don't appreciate good music" or "this song is objectively bad" - everything he says is purely his respectable opinion, no matter how harsh it can seem. It's my opinion that this song is already dated having come out this year, I'm not saying it may be dated for you - plus I said "sorry" because I just fail to see what you and others like about it - doesn't mean I'm saying it is a objective fact this song sucks. I think you're taking people's way of expressing their thoughts on a forum too seriously - there's a line between thought provoking discussion and downright toxic behavior that puts other users down, and being a member for nearly three years and yourself longer than me, I would think you can notice that. Am I saying there's been people who put down others over their musical preference? Sure - but don't automatically suggest that because I have a strong negative opinion on a song that I'm saying you're wrong for liking it or trying to put you down.
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Post by glider on Sept 19, 2017 21:42:32 GMT -5
It's hard to say that I hate this song because it is hard to hate song like this. It's hard to go wrong with this kind of songwriting and to write really bad song. But this song killed all my excitement for this album. I feel cheated. Liam gave us this 8161618 times already. Verse-chorus-verse-chorus, 4/4, basic 4 chords with most basic strumming pattern. Everybody who knows few chords can play Am-Am-G-G-F-F-C-C and sing something while playing that and it will sound ok and not that far from For What It's Worth. Abu Dhabi Do is actually not that much worse than For What It's Worth. If it is worse at all. It starts at 00:30 What's sad is they really sound the same.
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Post by underneaththesky on Sept 19, 2017 22:09:31 GMT -5
life is hit and miss and this..?
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 19, 2017 22:25:44 GMT -5
Let's be honest, For What It's Worth is a great song. It's an insanely beautiful tune that points to new horizons, minimal without being lightweight, and is a direction that its writers should explore more.
Oh wait...I'm talking about this FWIW:
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Sept 20, 2017 0:19:54 GMT -5
I am okay woth every opinion BUT if someone is too lazy to actual listen to something and I mean focua your mind on a song before you build the opinion. Not just let it run in the background while you are chatting with someone. Take your time and really aee if it grabs you If not thats okay but if someone says this song is bad and never really tried it... Thats like people who hate a certain meal but have never tasted it but guessed it could be bad.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 20, 2017 2:40:28 GMT -5
For all the stinging criticism from a few memebers on here who really don't like it you have to remember that over 75% of people rate it 7 or above. Most people like this song.
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Post by carlober on Sept 20, 2017 9:35:35 GMT -5
Provide an example - without evidence you're just amassing a straw man. Okay a quick look at the last 2 to like it and 2 to not like it - 2 who don't - " the pile of staleness that is For What It's Worth", "this hasnt aged well sorry". Stated as if this is a fact. A forceful opinion. If you think differently you are wrong kind of opinion (like the one about Beady Eye being awful). Well, since you're referring to a post of mine let's get one thing straight: that's not what I wrote, you're missing half of the post. I wrote that personally (in my opinion, in my book, whatever) Soldier On is a lot better than For What It's Worth, which I described as " a pile of staleness" because yeah, that's basically what I think of it. It may sound harsh, it probably came out harsher than I wanted because I might have been on a bad mood, but it's still my opinion, right? I'm not forcing my opinion on you or stating that you're a fucking idiot if you like the song. If I have to be brutally honest: I don't care if you, half the forum or 90% of the forum like it, that's not going to change my opinion about the song in any way. I can think with my own head and I can deal with people liking different stuff, it's perfectly fine. Hell, I even enjoy stuff like Shine a Light or PYMWYMI - which are almost universally regarded as shit on here - and I don't give a fuck By the way, I don't even hate For What It's Worth. I just find it very insipid and it's totally not like what I would love to hear from Liam. Give me a song like Chinatown over FWIW any day!
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Post by andymorris on Sept 20, 2017 9:42:46 GMT -5
I've decided not to listen to the new songs again until we have the full record, but last time i heard, i thought it was a bit beige and smelled generic arms up in the air (or should i say phones nowadays ?) tune, with faux depth.
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Post by supernovadragon on Sept 20, 2017 9:44:53 GMT -5
I gave it an 8 but, then again, I love Soldier On sooooo... 😉 Soldier On is awsome.. 👍 Soldier On is boring, it drags and the noise at the end is the best bit
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Post by supernovadragon on Sept 20, 2017 9:47:04 GMT -5
For What It's Worth is still just as good as the first time I heard it
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Post by spaneli on Sept 20, 2017 9:49:51 GMT -5
For all the stinging criticism from a few memebers on here who really don't like it you have to remember that over 75% of people rate it 7 or above. Most people like this song. Not to discount that poll or anyone's opinion, but we Oasis fans have a tendency to overrate things in the moment If we went back to every poll, or every post-album review, many of the opinions would vary wildly, whether it's Oasis, Noel, Beady Eye, and probably Liam songs. Personally, I don't think it's a bad song. I think it's good songwriting. I just think it could be vastly better.
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Post by supernovadragon on Sept 20, 2017 9:53:27 GMT -5
For all the stinging criticism from a few memebers on here who really don't like it you have to remember that over 75% of people rate it 7 or above. Most people like this song. Not to discount that poll or anyone's opinion, but we Oasis fans have a tendency to overrate things in the moment If we went back to every poll, or every post-album review, many of the opinions would vary wildly, whether it's Oasis, Noel, Beady Eye, and probably Liam songs. Personally, I don't think it's a bad song. I think it's good songwriting. I just think it could be vastly better. Now that, that I would welcome seeing
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Post by mancraider on Sept 20, 2017 9:58:25 GMT -5
Soldier On is boring, it drags and the noise at the end is the best bit Each to there own, I still like it. One of my clearest childhood memories is being about four and sitting on the stairs listening to my gran hoovering and the sound going right through me. So I've always been quite fond of drone-y sounds haha. I guess it takes me back.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 20, 2017 10:59:10 GMT -5
For all the stinging criticism from a few memebers on here who really don't like it you have to remember that over 75% of people rate it 7 or above. Most people like this song. Not to discount that poll or anyone's opinion, but we Oasis fans have a tendency to overrate things in the moment If we went back to every poll, or every post-album review, many of the opinions would vary wildly, whether it's Oasis, Noel, Beady Eye, and probably Liam songs. Personally, I don't think it's a bad song. I think it's good songwriting. I just think it could be vastly better. I don't disagree with that and I'm not making any specific conclusions about how good Oasis/Liam fans think it is but broadly speaking I think you can say that most of them think its a decent song.
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Post by glider on Sept 20, 2017 14:32:42 GMT -5
For all the stinging criticism from a few memebers on here who really don't like it you have to remember that over 75% of people rate it 7 or above. Most people like this song. It's still subjective criticism Tom. No one is saying those 75% of people are idiots for liking it.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Sept 20, 2017 14:43:01 GMT -5
For all the stinging criticism from a few memebers on here who really don't like it you have to remember that over 75% of people rate it 7 or above. Most people like this song. It's still subjective criticism Tom. No one is saying those 75% of people are idiots for liking it. No I understand that. Anyone is free to criticise the song for whatever reason they want but often those who don't like something tend to shout loudest (myself included), I'm just pointing out that the voting would suggest that in general among the fanbase here, people like the song. I wasn't attempting to invalidate anyone's criticism.
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