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Post by crisppacket on Oct 1, 2018 12:00:04 GMT -5
Finally got around to listening to this song. I must say, I'm not impressed. It's just so... obvious. It's so obviously the "big" single from As You Were, so obviously tailor-made for radio, so obviously a ballad meant to "move" people, so obviously an apology song to Noel, so obviously exploiting people's knowledge of the Gallagher feud to shift units by making you think "aww, look, they really do love each other!!", the verses are so obviously verses, the chorus is so obviously a chorus, the middle eight so obviously a middle eight, and so on. Because of this, it feels incredibly generic. Soulless, even. The Robbie Williams comparison is apt. Don't get me wrong, I still like this song, and it'll probably be the hit that Liam so desperately needs right now. But I can't help but feel that if the song had been a little less direct, a little less obvious, and more subtle and clever, then it could've been a masterpiece. This
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 1, 2018 14:02:15 GMT -5
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 1, 2018 15:35:19 GMT -5
I should hate it but am rather fond of it
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Oct 2, 2018 13:05:38 GMT -5
I love it but I prefer the version done live for the video vs the album version.
Glad to have both though, if As You Were wasn't as strong as it is I would never have delved further into Oasis.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 3, 2018 11:44:22 GMT -5
Changed my vote from a 6 to a 4. Yuck.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 11:58:56 GMT -5
Never been a fan of this one.
I'd rather hear Liam sing stuff like It Doesn't have to be that Way. That sounds cool and modern.
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 3, 2018 12:03:11 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of this song. It brings a big sing along at his gigs, but I don't know, the lyrics isn't my thing. Still to me, Bold is the best song from As You Were.
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Post by Rolo on Oct 3, 2018 17:27:59 GMT -5
One of the best post Oasis songs for me, absolutely love it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 9:22:48 GMT -5
Gave it a 9. It’s a stone wall 9.
Definitely one that was included, along with Wall of Glass, to promote the album, get added to radio playlists and reach a new audience.
I love it but when performed live it doesn’t touch Bold, Greedy Soul and Come Back to Me.
Let’s hope he’s putting down a few more like this next week in LA 😎
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Post by fartpanic on Oct 4, 2018 10:25:32 GMT -5
This is a strange one for me.
The consensus on here amongst (mostly the same nay-sayers) is way off the mark. You only have to go to any gig or speak to fans at those gigs to know this is a brilliant sing-along single and does everything it needs to for the album.
The reason its a strange one for me to give it too much praise is, i prefer Liams own songs for the album and i think giving the public the sole attention of the songs he didnt write will only do more to hit his songwriting confidence and lead to (the thing im dreading most with the next album) an album solely written by other writers.
I hate how we have gone from him writing songs as good as he did for DBTT and other genuinely good songs (and being talked up quite alot as a songwriter) to him basically giving himself no credit at all. His melodies in Beady Eye, Oasis and Solo are up their with anything anyone has done for him. He just needs guidance and id love him to sit down and do 10 songs with his own ideas starting it off. Didnt do any harm with Flick Of The Finger did it?
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Post by Rolo on Oct 4, 2018 10:43:10 GMT -5
Gave it a 9. It’s a stone wall 9. Definitely one that was included, along with Wall of Glass, to promote the album, get added to radio playlists and reach a new audience. I love it but when performed live it doesn’t touch Bold, Greedy Soul and Come Back to Me. Let’s hope he’s putting down a few more like this next week in LA 😎
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 4, 2018 15:03:40 GMT -5
This is a strange one for me. The consensus on here amongst (mostly the same nay-sayers) is way off the mark. You only have to go to any gig or speak to fans at those gigs to know this is a brilliant sing-along single and does everything it needs to for the album. The reason its a strange one for me to give it too much praise is, i prefer Liams own songs for the album and i think giving the public the sole attention of the songs he didnt write will only do more to hit his songwriting confidence and lead to (the thing im dreading most with the next album) an album solely written by other writers. I hate how we have gone from him writing songs as good as he did for DBTT and other genuinely good songs (and being talked up quite alot as a songwriter) to him basically giving himself no credit at all. His melodies in Beady Eye, Oasis and Solo are up their with anything anyone has done for him. He just needs guidance and id love him to sit down and do 10 songs with his own ideas starting it off. Didnt do any harm with Flick Of The Finger did it? I prefer Liam singing other people's songs. Never had an issue with it before or since. As You Were proves my point. Flick Of The Finger was initially a Liam idea or fragment but it was further developed by Andy, Gem and Sitek to get the lyrics and sound down. I wouldn't use that as a Liam led example.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2018 16:10:14 GMT -5
It was the second tune I’d heard and the alarm bells were ringing to be honest. A cringe worthy song. A Richard Ashcroft wet dream. Sounds like a Beady Eye song - probably the worst insult you could give it.
Not what Liam’s about to be honest, thankfully much much better tunes littered throughout the album.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2018 16:14:51 GMT -5
This is a strange one for me. The consensus on here amongst (mostly the same nay-sayers) is way off the mark. You only have to go to any gig or speak to fans at those gigs to know this is a brilliant sing-along single and does everything it needs to for the album. The reason its a strange one for me to give it too much praise is, i prefer Liams own songs for the album and i think giving the public the sole attention of the songs he didnt write will only do more to hit his songwriting confidence and lead to (the thing im dreading most with the next album) an album solely written by other writers. I hate how we have gone from him writing songs as good as he did for DBTT and other genuinely good songs (and being talked up quite alot as a songwriter) to him basically giving himself no credit at all. His melodies in Beady Eye, Oasis and Solo are up their with anything anyone has done for him. He just needs guidance and id love him to sit down and do 10 songs with his own ideas starting it off. Didnt do any harm with Flick Of The Finger did it? I prefer Liam singing other people's songs. Never had an issue with it before or since. As You Were proves my point. Flick Of The Finger was initially a Liam idea or fragment but it was further developed by Andy, Gem and Sitek to get the lyrics and sound down. I wouldn't use that as a Liam led example. I agree with this. Liam’s got a lot of good ideas, I think along with a professional songwriter they’d be able to really deliver top top notch tunes. But as a solo writer, mostly the tunes are always a bit undercooked and lightweight. It’s not Gem or Andy style where everything is just cringy shit (aural equivalent of Theresa May dancing...) because there’s always something good going on in Liam’s songs. A lot of the times I just think there’s a really great song in there somewhere. That said, I think Bold and Greedy Soul are maybe his most complete tunes yet.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 4, 2018 17:09:05 GMT -5
My ride or die tunes for AYW are:
Bold. Greedy Soul. Universal Gleam.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 17:34:39 GMT -5
I don't understand the appeal for Bold. I find it pretty banal.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2018 17:35:08 GMT -5
This is a strange one for me. His melodies in Beady Eye, Oasis and Solo are up their with anything anyone has done for him. Surely not. I mean, as good as they are, those melodies are still lightyears behind peak-Noel.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 4, 2018 23:18:01 GMT -5
I don't understand the appeal for Bold. I find it pretty banal. We're on an Oasis forum.
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Post by fartpanic on Oct 5, 2018 4:11:06 GMT -5
This is a strange one for me. His melodies in Beady Eye, Oasis and Solo are up their with anything anyone has done for him. Surely not. I mean, as good as they are, those melodies are still lightyears behind peak-Noel. I didnt mean Noel. I meant external writers comapred to what he himself has done for Beady Eye, Oasis and himself
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Post by fartpanic on Oct 5, 2018 4:23:00 GMT -5
This is a strange one for me. The consensus on here amongst (mostly the same nay-sayers) is way off the mark. You only have to go to any gig or speak to fans at those gigs to know this is a brilliant sing-along single and does everything it needs to for the album. The reason its a strange one for me to give it too much praise is, i prefer Liams own songs for the album and i think giving the public the sole attention of the songs he didnt write will only do more to hit his songwriting confidence and lead to (the thing im dreading most with the next album) an album solely written by other writers. I hate how we have gone from him writing songs as good as he did for DBTT and other genuinely good songs (and being talked up quite alot as a songwriter) to him basically giving himself no credit at all. His melodies in Beady Eye, Oasis and Solo are up their with anything anyone has done for him. He just needs guidance and id love him to sit down and do 10 songs with his own ideas starting it off. Didnt do any harm with Flick Of The Finger did it? I prefer Liam singing other people's songs. Never had an issue with it before or since. As You Were proves my point. Flick Of The Finger was initially a Liam idea or fragment but it was further developed by Andy, Gem and Sitek to get the lyrics and sound down. I wouldn't use that as a Liam led example. I used it as an example of exactly what i wanted from a Liam solo album. I think he should go in with ideas and someone help him add structure and anything else he needs to make a full song. Flick Of the Finger is a perfect example of what can be achieved from an idea of Liams. Andy and Gem didnt come close to matching his melodies. He does have something there, no doubt in my mind. there's more magic to that than just going in and recording songs by others
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Post by Let It Bleed on Oct 5, 2018 7:37:00 GMT -5
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2018 8:34:10 GMT -5
6.5/10
I like it without loving it. The album needs it though and the songwriter definitely earnt his corn. I was amazed at how many people were singing it when I've Liam do it on this tour.
I would probably put the live version from the Howard Stern Show at 7.5, its glorious.
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 6, 2018 8:50:40 GMT -5
My problem with the song is that the vocal is so different between the record and what he can do live. I quite like the tune otherwise, but have to skip to the next song when I've watched one of his gigs. I suppose if it's that big a singalong when youre at the gig it serves a purpose.
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