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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 6, 2022 19:52:52 GMT -5
But surely the argument is that he isn't playing for the fans, he's playing for himself? I understand the complaints, but if you know what Noel's MO is then fans can only vote with their feet. He owes them nothing, they owe him nothing. quite literally, someone like noel owes his fans everything. all his money actually started out as their money.
The thing left out in saying this is that he already gave us a lot for the money we spent back then (and keeps on giving...even if, as it so happens, it's mainly through Liam's shows ).
He owes the fans his gratitude for sure and maybe he could make that clearer. But he doesn't owe them his soul. If this is what he wants to play--and one assumes it is because he's had nothing but time to choose a setlist--then this is what he wants to play. Nobody has to cheer it (and I don't) but it's hard to see why he should be forced at this stage to follow anyone else's idea of what he should be doing other than his own.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 6, 2022 20:27:39 GMT -5
I’m not defending him. I personally like this set. I prefer his more recent EPs and MOON over the 2011-2015 period but that’s just me. You say he’s in trouble and the time is now to change but look at it from his perspective, all his albums went to #1. One of them as recently as last year. I don’t need Noel to play giant arenas around the globe. As an American I never see that stuff anyways. I just want solid albums and interesting listens. Time will tell won't it. I just think it doesn't have to be inevitable he will fade to smaller and smaller venues. He has far more anthems than Paul Weller does. Who seems to be the main lead he's taking with what to do as a solo artist. And anyone who's been to a Paul Weller concert knows you spend most the gig thinking of what Jam or Style Council could have replaced the utter dross you're having to grin and bear. In the words of Liam, It doesn't have to be that way. Noel is still in no crisis state. We are coming out of the pandemic and I’m very optimistic of the new Album next year. It sounds like it will pander to the fans of his earlier solo albums. A real crisis is what just happened to indie rockers and critic darlings Arcade Fire. Their new album “We” debuted on the Billboard 200 at 6, then 132 and now is off the charts completely in 3 weeks. They have a huge arena tour planned across the USA. Now that is scary.
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Post by hakuhuang on Jun 7, 2022 4:12:47 GMT -5
Did anybody spot Noel played a Crypton gaming convention called Galaverse (secretly?) in Malta yesterday? I never expect he would perform in that kind of event! Btw Anais also posted pics in Malta on her Instagram and I don't know whether other personnel traveled with them. Maybe it was not in the name of NGHFB.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 5:50:09 GMT -5
quite literally, someone like noel owes his fans everything. all his money actually started out as their money. He makes the music and we choose if we want to buy it or not. I owe him nothing and he owes me nothing. You expect him to be kind and considerate of the people who follow him but not to compromise his art or performance. you're part right - you (we) owe him nothing, and also no artist should compromise their work for consumer considerations (although virtually all commercially successful artists of any discipline do so).
however, noel and any 'legacy' type artist does 'owe' paying gig fans something in the sense of 'giving them what they pay for'. McCartney and the Stones understand this and it's why they are who they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 5:52:06 GMT -5
quite literally, someone like noel owes his fans everything. all his money actually started out as their money.
The thing left out in saying this is that he already gave us a lot for the money we spent back then (and keeps on giving...even if, as it so happens, it's mainly through Liam's shows ).
He owes the fans his gratitude for sure and maybe he could make that clearer. But he doesn't owe them his soul. If this is what he wants to play--and one assumes it is because he's had nothing but time to choose a setlist--then this is what he wants to play. Nobody has to cheer it (and I don't) but it's hard to see why he should be forced at this stage to follow anyone else's idea of what he should be doing other than his own.
yep sure agree with all that. I was kind of making a joke
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Post by garylineker on Jun 7, 2022 6:08:37 GMT -5
Don't know about you lot but when i'm paying £50 i want more than 6 Oasis songs like he did on the last tour.
This "giving the fans some of what they want" just leads to the decline in sales we have seen for him. With 3 no.1 albums you'd expect the material to stand up to the Oasis songs. The first album's did but the 3rd album is better produced songs with a lack of substance. Playing mostly them, especially at festivals, and after he's already done so for a good while is just boring even to a massive fan like me.
Not to mention that the Oasis songs played in the way he does are all very mid tempo and lacking energy. It's a really bad mix. I hate that it's being defended. He isn't failing but he's declining when he doesn't have to be.
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Post by garylineker on Jun 7, 2022 6:13:18 GMT -5
quite literally, someone like noel owes his fans everything. all his money actually started out as their money. He makes the music and we choose if we want to buy it or not. I owe him nothing and he owes me nothing. You expect him to be kind and considerate of the people who follow him but not to compromise his art or performance. Bob Dylan has done this approach for years and everyone sits there wishing he would play so many of his vast back catalogue. Does he still sell thousands? Course he does. Does anyone come away saying that was amazing. I doubt it. It's just a massive waste. My opinion. If you think he's doing as well as he should be when he's the writer of all these superb songs then cool. I don't.
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Post by nutsngum on Jun 7, 2022 7:00:10 GMT -5
Did anybody spot Noel played a Crypton gaming convention called Galaverse (secretly?) in Malta yesterday? I never expect he would perform in that kind of event! Btw Anais also posted pics in Malta on her Instagram and I don't know whether other personnel traveled with them. Maybe it was not in the name of NGHFB. Wow that's...not something I expected to see him do. I guess money talks. Judging from Twitter posts he played Supersonic, Wonderwall and Everybody's On The Run amongst others.
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Post by plaskins1 on Jun 7, 2022 12:01:24 GMT -5
It just baffles me how he isn't bored of the setlist himself. Anyone think he'll change it up for Glastonbury? Or will we get the same 9 song cosmic pop opening? Glasto set will be shorter won't it Glasto set will be 1hr 15m He should bring back she's electric, would go down a storm
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Post by plaskins1 on Jun 7, 2022 12:02:21 GMT -5
Really thought this would be more of a best of/hits setlist rather than a continuation of the WBTM tour.. totally baffled tbh.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 7, 2022 13:10:12 GMT -5
Really thought this would be more of a best of/hits setlist rather than a continuation of the WBTM tour.. totally baffled tbh. Agreed.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 7, 2022 13:12:11 GMT -5
Really thought this would be more of a best of/hits setlist rather than a continuation of the WBTM tour.. totally baffled tbh. Which gig you going to?
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Post by Sadie on Jun 7, 2022 13:57:01 GMT -5
Really thought this would be more of a best of/hits setlist rather than a continuation of the WBTM tour.. totally baffled tbh. As I've already stated, judging by his setlists you'd think that album came out 5 days ago not 5 years ago
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Post by sickbhoy on Jun 7, 2022 14:19:35 GMT -5
He makes the music and we choose if we want to buy it or not. I owe him nothing and he owes me nothing. You expect him to be kind and considerate of the people who follow him but not to compromise his art or performance. you're part right - you (we) owe him nothing, and also no artist should compromise their work for consumer considerations (although virtually all commercially successful artists of any discipline do so).
however, noel and any 'legacy' type artist does 'owe' paying gig fans something in the sense of 'giving them what they pay for'. McCartney and the Stones understand this and it's why they are who they are.
Paul McCartney was one of the best gigs I've ever been to, played for 3 hours and told stories in between songs. Tickets are a bit more expensive than your typical gig but worth it.
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Post by garylineker on Jun 7, 2022 15:00:32 GMT -5
you're part right - you (we) owe him nothing, and also no artist should compromise their work for consumer considerations (although virtually all commercially successful artists of any discipline do so).
however, noel and any 'legacy' type artist does 'owe' paying gig fans something in the sense of 'giving them what they pay for'. McCartney and the Stones understand this and it's why they are who they are.
Paul McCartney was one of the best gigs I've ever been to, played for 3 hours and told stories in between songs. Tickets are a bit more expensive than your typical gig but worth it. By the way people go on in here they'd be happy to sit through a gig full of his last 3 albums with an encore of Blackbird and Hey Jude to give them something back for the £130 they paid.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jun 7, 2022 15:11:56 GMT -5
What have I started?! Lol He may as well call his next album 'Going through the motions' Thank you, I have now been earwormed with the Buffy musical episode.
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Post by Manualex on Jun 7, 2022 15:18:44 GMT -5
There are 4 kind of followers
1 the ones that want the Oasis songs and are happy with the hits
2 the ones who have seen Oasis/NG/LG more than once and want deep cuts/rare performed songs
3 the ones that want solo material
4 the ones that want deep cuts from solo material
NG and Liam have to juggle between and make those 4 happy. But in the end it's his band. Liam recently did Roll It over. Noel has had performed some rare material on his first two album tours, and have stopped doing so maybe because they don't go well with the audience, but I can't be sure of that I'm just happy that he's out there doing his thing.
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Post by plaskins1 on Jun 7, 2022 16:28:06 GMT -5
Really thought this would be more of a best of/hits setlist rather than a continuation of the WBTM tour.. totally baffled tbh. Which gig you going to? Glastonbury
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Post by sickbhoy on Jun 7, 2022 16:30:30 GMT -5
Paul McCartney was one of the best gigs I've ever been to, played for 3 hours and told stories in between songs. Tickets are a bit more expensive than your typical gig but worth it. By the way people go on in here they'd be happy to sit through a gig full of his last 3 albums with an encore of Blackbird and Hey Jude to give them something back for the £130 they paid. When your playing for 3 hours you’ve got plenty of time to please everyone with old and new stuff
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Post by garylineker on Jun 7, 2022 16:36:35 GMT -5
By the way people go on in here they'd be happy to sit through a gig full of his last 3 albums with an encore of Blackbird and Hey Jude to give them something back for the £130 they paid. When your playing for 3 hours you’ve got plenty of time to please everyone with old and new stuff Yeah, at his age he puts artists 50 years younger than him to shame
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 7, 2022 16:44:14 GMT -5
He makes the music and we choose if we want to buy it or not. I owe him nothing and he owes me nothing. You expect him to be kind and considerate of the people who follow him but not to compromise his art or performance. Bob Dylan has done this approach for years and everyone sits there wishing he would play so many of his vast back catalogue. Does he still sell thousands? Course he does. Does anyone come away saying that was amazing. I doubt it. It's just a massive waste. My opinion. If you think he's doing as well as he should be when he's the writer of all these superb songs then cool. I don't. I'm a big Bob Dylan fan and I've been to see him a few times. I've always paid my money having no idea what he's going to play and that he might play well known songs but twist them so out of shape that I don't realise what it is until half way through. He's Bob Dylan, he earnt the right many years ago. He isn't touring for me, he's touring for him and I wouldn't have it any other way. Noel has also earnt the right. I can understand why people might be disappointed but we know the score. Either buy a ticket or don't. I'll be at Glastonbury and if that's the set then I might go elsewhere but Noel should be playing what he wants to play not what people think he should.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 7, 2022 16:50:42 GMT -5
Did anybody spot Noel played a Crypton gaming convention called Galaverse (secretly?) in Malta yesterday? I never expect he would perform in that kind of event! Btw Anais also posted pics in Malta on her Instagram and I don't know whether other personnel traveled with them. Maybe it was not in the name of NGHFB. I know he's only joking but the "My bank account is bigger than yours" shite is grim. Depressingly predictable.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 7, 2022 16:52:26 GMT -5
What songs are you dying for him to play that isn’t currently? I’m not sure he is missing much that would make or break a gig. He’s clearly ignoring Chasing Yesterday.
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Post by garylineker on Jun 7, 2022 16:54:15 GMT -5
Bob Dylan has done this approach for years and everyone sits there wishing he would play so many of his vast back catalogue. Does he still sell thousands? Course he does. Does anyone come away saying that was amazing. I doubt it. It's just a massive waste. My opinion. If you think he's doing as well as he should be when he's the writer of all these superb songs then cool. I don't. I'm a big Bob Dylan fan and I've been to see him a few times. I've always paid my money having no idea what he's going to play and that he might play well known songs but twist them so out of shape that I don't realise what it is until half way through. He's Bob Dylan, he earnt the right many years ago. He isn't touring for me, he's touring for him and I wouldn't have it any other way. Noel has also earnt the right. I can understand why people might be disappointed but we know the score. Either buy a ticket or don't. I'll be at Glastonbury and if that's the set then I might go elsewhere but Noel should be playing what he wants to play not what people think he should. I understand your stance. I just find it strange. I mean, Bob did Frank Sinatra covers when i went to see him. There is like 30 Bob Dylan songs i want to hear that he didn't play. Hell i even used to be annoyed that Oasis wasted their closing spot with I Am The Walrus over all the songs they never played. I'm not saying i would just do a greatest hits tour but if i had the back catalogue Noel does i'd want to make sure my gig was as engaging and full of energy as it could be. It isn't even just the choice of Oasis songs being the same, it's the way he plays them. They're almost all mid tempo and dare i say it back to being quite plodding. Whatever, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Dead On The Water, the list goes on. I don't think he's an engaging enough frontman nor does he have a good enough voice to just stand there and sing them like that. Alongside mainly WBTM stuff which even the most ardent of fans of that album will admit will never get the crowd engaged, its scandalous to me. There needs to be a few more rocking songs in there. Freeky Teeth and Lord Dont Slow Me down would inject some much needed life inbetween those songs IMO.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 7, 2022 17:01:19 GMT -5
Did anybody spot Noel played a Crypton gaming convention called Galaverse (secretly?) in Malta yesterday? I never expect he would perform in that kind of event! Btw Anais also posted pics in Malta on her Instagram and I don't know whether other personnel traveled with them. Maybe it was not in the name of NGHFB. I know he's only joking but the "My bank account is bigger than yours" shite is grim. Depressingly predictable.
In front of a group of pimply, 15 year-old gamers I found it more amusing than usual!
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