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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 6, 2022 8:38:44 GMT -5
What shall he do? The album is most likely coming out Feb/March/April of 2023. He’s probably trying to make some cash for himself and band members after almost 2 years of no work/touring. Not many combos of songs he could select from. We all know Noel is very set in his ways once a setlist is determined. This and "i don't mind the set" are the two best defences of this drab setlist in this thread. He was selling out arenas in 2011 and now you can get tickets for every single show hes doing in capacities of about 3k. I don't know how you can defend it to be honest. Its extremely lazy at a time he needs to seriously up his game. He’s 55 years old. What else does he have to do exactly?
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Post by megyesitomate on Jun 6, 2022 10:01:54 GMT -5
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Post by RUBIKON on Jun 6, 2022 11:00:06 GMT -5
DLBIA with brass section and the Roxys
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jun 6, 2022 11:40:10 GMT -5
Somehow I remember the times he blamed Liam for keeping the same setlist during oasis tours, as it was according to noel Liams fault that they could not rehearse new or different songs.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Jun 6, 2022 12:20:22 GMT -5
The weird part is that Noel used to change a bit the setlist in tours between albuns or second leg of tours. And now that he has such an amazing band he chooses to do same set he's been doing for almost five years.
It's a shame considering the first album and CY tour had so many pearls.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 6, 2022 14:55:50 GMT -5
Somehow I remember the times he blamed Liam for keeping the same setlist during oasis tours, as it was according to noel Liams fault that they could not rehearse new or different songs. I definitely bought into that Noel narrative 2000-2016. However, Liam has been “doing” songs Noel said he couldn’t perform good anymore. So Noel is full of it. I hated how the SOTSOG tour lacked tunes from that LP, same goes for DOYS tour. Noel said once Oasis couldn’t do “Champagne Supernova” at MTV UNPLUGGED because of its grand nature. Well Liam proved him wrong with that one!!!!
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Post by tcole on Jun 6, 2022 15:44:55 GMT -5
It just baffles me how he isn't bored of the setlist himself.
Anyone think he'll change it up for Glastonbury? Or will we get the same 9 song cosmic pop opening?
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Post by carlober on Jun 6, 2022 16:03:01 GMT -5
Noel is such a lazy bastard... I was hoping for at least one new/rare song thrown into the set... Falling Down anyone?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 6, 2022 16:05:29 GMT -5
It just baffles me how he isn't bored of the setlist himself. Anyone think he'll change it up for Glastonbury? Or will we get the same 9 song cosmic pop opening? Glasto set will be shorter won't it
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Post by Bellboy on Jun 6, 2022 17:15:36 GMT -5
What have I started?! Lol
He may as well call his next album 'Going through the motions'
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Post by Jessica on Jun 6, 2022 17:19:56 GMT -5
Falling Down seems like it'd be perfect for Glasto and not these smaller festivals.
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Post by Bellboy on Jun 6, 2022 17:23:12 GMT -5
But seriously..
I am going to Dundee this weekend and will always support the chief but am the least excited I have ever been to see him and I tend to agree with most of the comments here. The Lazy setlist is NOT doing him any favours at this point and surely even HE must get bored?
No doubt the band and him will be all warmed up for Glastonbury which is still a big fucking deal. So if he thinks he has nothing to prove there then at this point that's just wrong. Pretty much every recorded television performance for the last 5 years has been the same songs. Even a casual fan can see it.
Sure there are some required songs but Wandering Star? Really? SCYHO has even run it's course for me. Yet he can randomly pull out Angel Child or LDSMD at 1 off gigs? Just Why?!
It's something I hate to admit but the spark is going out for me and so it's time to seriously up his game if he is to continue as the HFBs.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 6, 2022 17:50:02 GMT -5
It just baffles me how he isn't bored of the setlist himself. Anyone think he'll change it up for Glastonbury? Or will we get the same 9 song cosmic pop opening? That's a good point and I've thought that myself and the same goes for the band too. I mean aren't they fed up with having to play the same songs over and over too.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 6, 2022 17:51:28 GMT -5
It's like Noel's just flogging a dead horse with playing the same songs all the time.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jun 6, 2022 17:53:57 GMT -5
The weird part is that Noel used to change a bit the setlist in tours between albuns or second leg of tours. And now that he has such an amazing band he chooses to do same set he's been doing for almost five years. It's a shame considering the first album and CY tour had so many pearls. I think he was bothered by the crowd reaction when he started doing a bunch of obscure rarities (Idlers Dream, Shout It Out Loud) and he decided to stop that for good
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Post by garylineker on Jun 6, 2022 18:24:26 GMT -5
This and "i don't mind the set" are the two best defences of this drab setlist in this thread. He was selling out arenas in 2011 and now you can get tickets for every single show hes doing in capacities of about 3k. I don't know how you can defend it to be honest. Its extremely lazy at a time he needs to seriously up his game. He’s 55 years old. What else does he have to do exactly? Sorry, i like a lot of your posts but you defence of him here really irks me. He is my favourite songwriter ever. Which is why i am so pissed off. I could literally name you 60-80 songs this man has done that have changed my life. Yet it's almost as if he's The Kooks with about 3 hits. Your defence of him being 55 is simply bullshit. There is no way you can justify to me him playing the same set as a few years ago and saying oh but he's old. That's even more reason to start making yourself more appealing to your fans!
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Post by garylineker on Jun 6, 2022 18:32:17 GMT -5
Somehow I remember the times he blamed Liam for keeping the same setlist during oasis tours, as it was according to noel Liams fault that they could not rehearse new or different songs. As someone who's listened to Noel in interviews for about 15 years now, i've become very well tuned in to when he's spinning a narrative to suit himself. This is one. Another one i've notice him cleverly drop is how Liam is the reason Oasis weren't more experimental. The whole story about Liam saying "woah what the fucks that" as he tried something new on a DOYS track. Do me a fucking favour. Listen to any Noel interview up until about 2000 and he literally only ever talks about The Beatles, Bowie, T-Rex, Stone Roses and a few others. After a few years after this he realised he needed to appear much more eclectic in his tastes. Absolute bullshit to blame it on Liam. But that, like the point you mentioned is just easy for Noel to drop on Liam and the smug interviewer will just join in the mocking and laugh along. (And he wonders why Liam retaliates)
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 6, 2022 18:35:44 GMT -5
He’s 55 years old. What else does he have to do exactly? Sorry, i like a lot of your posts but you defence of him here really irks me. He is my favourite songwriter ever. Which is why i am so pissed off. I could literally name you 60-80 songs this man has done that have changed my life. Yet it's almost as if he's The Kooks with about 3 hits. Your defence of him being 55 is simply bullshit. There is no way you can justify to me him playing the same set as a few years ago and saying oh but he's old. That's even more reason to start making yourself more appealing to your fans! But surely the argument is that he isn't playing for the fans, he's playing for himself? I understand the complaints, but if you know what Noel's MO is then fans can only vote with their feet. He owes them nothing, they owe him nothing.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 6, 2022 18:39:17 GMT -5
Somehow I remember the times he blamed Liam for keeping the same setlist during oasis tours, as it was according to noel Liams fault that they could not rehearse new or different songs. As someone who's listened to Noel in interviews for about 15 years now, i've become very well tuned in to when he's spinning a narrative to suit himself. This is one. Another one i've notice him cleverly drop is how Liam is the reason Oasis weren't more experimental. The whole story about Liam saying "woah what the fucks that" as he tried something new on a DOYS track. Do me a fucking favour. Listen to any Noel interview up until about 2000 and he literally only ever talks about The Beatles, Bowie, T-Rex, Stone Roses and a few others. After a few years after this he realised he needed to appear much more eclectic in his tastes. Absolute bullshit to blame it on Liam. But that, like the point you mentioned is just easy for Noel to drop on Liam and the smug interviewer will just join in the mocking and laugh along. (And he wonders why Liam retaliates) Exactly right. Liam apparently used to phone him up at 5am asking when they were going back in the studio. We're expected to believe Liam would have rejected Noel's songs "Sorry Noel, we aren't making the record with that shit. Go home and write me something I like better"
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 6, 2022 18:41:07 GMT -5
He’s 55 years old. What else does he have to do exactly? Sorry, i like a lot of your posts but you defence of him here really irks me. He is my favourite songwriter ever. Which is why i am so pissed off. I could literally name you 60-80 songs this man has done that have changed my life. Yet it's almost as if he's The Kooks with about 3 hits. Your defence of him being 55 is simply bullshit. There is no way you can justify to me him playing the same set as a few years ago and saying oh but he's old. That's even more reason to start making yourself more appealing to your fans! I’m not defending him. I personally like this set. I prefer his more recent EPs and MOON over the 2011-2015 period but that’s just me. You say he’s in trouble and the time is now to change but look at it from his perspective, all his albums went to #1. One of them as recently as last year. I don’t need Noel to play giant arenas around the globe. As an American I never see that stuff anyways. I just want solid albums and interesting listens.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 18:45:37 GMT -5
He was selling out arenas in 2011 and now you can get tickets for every single show hes doing in capacities of about 3k.
wow, that most hurt at the moment. I don't think he's ever really considered a reunion, but he would certainly never do it from a perceived state of 'weakness' compared to liam...
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Post by garylineker on Jun 6, 2022 18:45:45 GMT -5
As someone who's listened to Noel in interviews for about 15 years now, i've become very well tuned in to when he's spinning a narrative to suit himself. This is one. Another one i've notice him cleverly drop is how Liam is the reason Oasis weren't more experimental. The whole story about Liam saying "woah what the fucks that" as he tried something new on a DOYS track. Do me a fucking favour. Listen to any Noel interview up until about 2000 and he literally only ever talks about The Beatles, Bowie, T-Rex, Stone Roses and a few others. After a few years after this he realised he needed to appear much more eclectic in his tastes. Absolute bullshit to blame it on Liam. But that, like the point you mentioned is just easy for Noel to drop on Liam and the smug interviewer will just join in the mocking and laugh along. (And he wonders why Liam retaliates) Exactly right. Liam apparently used to phone him up at 5am asking when they were going back in the studio. We're expected to believe Liam would have rejected Noel's songs "Sorry Noel, we aren't making the record with that shit. Go home and write me something I like better" Or better still that Noel would say "yeah alright then, sorry r kid" and ditch the idea. It's strange because i wouldn't even call Noel an out and out liar. He's more just like that friend who has a ridiculously exaggerated version of every story he needs to tell. Suppose that's what makes him such a good interview though. I just think the more hardcore fans know what to filter out by now though.
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Post by garylineker on Jun 6, 2022 18:50:41 GMT -5
Sorry, i like a lot of your posts but you defence of him here really irks me. He is my favourite songwriter ever. Which is why i am so pissed off. I could literally name you 60-80 songs this man has done that have changed my life. Yet it's almost as if he's The Kooks with about 3 hits. Your defence of him being 55 is simply bullshit. There is no way you can justify to me him playing the same set as a few years ago and saying oh but he's old. That's even more reason to start making yourself more appealing to your fans! I’m not defending him. I personally like this set. I prefer his more recent EPs and MOON over the 2011-2015 period but that’s just me. You say he’s in trouble and the time is now to change but look at it from his perspective, all his albums went to #1. One of them as recently as last year. I don’t need Noel to play giant arenas around the globe. As an American I never see that stuff anyways. I just want solid albums and interesting listens. Time will tell won't it. I just think it doesn't have to be inevitable he will fade to smaller and smaller venues. He has far more anthems than Paul Weller does. Who seems to be the main lead he's taking with what to do as a solo artist. And anyone who's been to a Paul Weller concert knows you spend most the gig thinking of what Jam or Style Council could have replaced the utter dross you're having to grin and bear. In the words of Liam, It doesn't have to be that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 18:51:18 GMT -5
Sorry, i like a lot of your posts but you defence of him here really irks me. He is my favourite songwriter ever. Which is why i am so pissed off. I could literally name you 60-80 songs this man has done that have changed my life. Yet it's almost as if he's The Kooks with about 3 hits. Your defence of him being 55 is simply bullshit. There is no way you can justify to me him playing the same set as a few years ago and saying oh but he's old. That's even more reason to start making yourself more appealing to your fans! But surely the argument is that he isn't playing for the fans, he's playing for himself? I understand the complaints, but if you know what Noel's MO is then fans can only vote with their feet. He owes them nothing, they owe him nothing. quite literally, someone like noel owes his fans everything. all his money actually started out as their money.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 6, 2022 18:58:17 GMT -5
But surely the argument is that he isn't playing for the fans, he's playing for himself? I understand the complaints, but if you know what Noel's MO is then fans can only vote with their feet. He owes them nothing, they owe him nothing. quite literally, someone like noel owes his fans everything. all his money actually started out as their money. He makes the music and we choose if we want to buy it or not. I owe him nothing and he owes me nothing. You expect him to be kind and considerate of the people who follow him but not to compromise his art or performance.
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