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Post by bt95 on Apr 30, 2021 16:58:30 GMT -5
So we're now digging deep into Noel Gallagher's lyrics?
This is the same bloke that wrote about lasagna, took a name off his brother in a soundcheck, and generally just uses lyrics as a tool.
Sure they can be deep, but Oasis/NG's (and Liam's) songs mean so much to so many people because the lyrics are generally very much not tied to one subject matter and can be taken in many ways.
For some it's any excuse to slag the bloke off, clearly.
For me, it's just an uplifting song and doesn't seem to be about anything in particular.
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Post by Lennon's Ghost on Apr 30, 2021 19:19:21 GMT -5
6/10 for me. Although that could change after several more listens.
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Post by glider on Apr 30, 2021 20:17:21 GMT -5
your reminder that the writer of this song is a close friend of Gordon Smart, who wrote for the S*n for 12 years 2017 was 4 years ago 😎 |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Apr 30, 2021 20:35:36 GMT -5
So we're now digging deep into Noel Gallagher's lyrics? This is the same bloke that wrote about lasagna, took a name off his brother in a soundcheck, and generally just uses lyrics as a tool. Sure they can be deep, but Oasis/NG's (and Liam's) songs mean so much to so many people because the lyrics are generally very much not tied to one subject matter and can be taken in many ways. For some it's any excuse to slag the bloke off, clearly. For me, it's just an uplifting song and doesn't seem to be about anything in particular. So much underselling of Noel’s old lyrics, all because he (mostly) got worse at them. Noel has written some good lyrics. He’s not Dylan but who is? And yeah, he wrote a song about lasagna, but that’s not what made him famous. The entirety of Definitely Maybe with its quite raw and powerful lyrics of solidarity and yearning (mixed with his brother’s ability to make those potentially melodramatic things sound thrilling) is what made him famous. These lyrics are decent – a bit much with the self-referencing and they don’t quite build emotionally the way I’d secretly hoped from the early preview but they are vivid, personal and meaningful and not just a list of platitudes. Also would say I get that lyrics don't matter at all for some, and that's totally fine, but it's not just an excuse to slag someone off to talk about lyrics. They are a literal structural element of rock/pop songs and a fair point on which to critique if you're gonna critique. That's especially true for someone like Noel, who has written songs that lyrically mean so much to people. He set a bar. He may wish to remove the bar now, but it's already there. |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Apr 30, 2021 21:33:46 GMT -5
...And yeah, he wrote a song about lasagna... He wrote a song that referenced lasagne. It's not a song about lasagne. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 30, 2021 21:56:13 GMT -5
It’s nice to see the forum united and well chuffed.
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Post by oasisgoletitout on Apr 30, 2021 23:30:22 GMT -5
This song just keeps growing on me. And I wouldn't want it any other way.
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 1, 2021 0:04:38 GMT -5
...And yeah, he wrote a song about lasagna... He wrote a song that referenced lasagne. It's not a song about lasagne. Hahaha. Was quoting the OP. You could say it's about lasagna, you could say it's about strawberries and cream, you could say it's about joy, you could say it's a piss-take, you could say it's about Peter Deary, you could say it's just a dream. All fair interpretations. However, to quote the songwriter directly: "It's a song about going to someone's house for lasagna." |
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Post by Aman on May 1, 2021 0:37:07 GMT -5
This is definitely a grower! In the classic sense of the word.
I initially voted it 4, now I'd say a 7 probably!
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Post by fabulousbakers on May 1, 2021 0:37:21 GMT -5
...However, to quote the songwriter directly: "It's a song about going to someone's house for lasagna." What the hell would he know? He's wrong! |
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Post by andymorris on May 1, 2021 1:20:37 GMT -5
The lasagna song is a masterpiece. For my lasaaaaagnaaaaaaaaaa. Come on, best lyric ever.
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Post by supertronic on May 1, 2021 1:59:56 GMT -5
The lasagna song is a masterpiece. For my lasaaaaagnaaaaaaaaaa. Come on, best lyric ever. Too right. Lasagna is brilliant and deserves more praise. I love this lyric. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 1, 2021 2:05:48 GMT -5
The point's not that Noel's lyrics are meaningless (they're not many times, they are at time, these are certainly not), or bad, but that as in this case we only know what they mean to us personally and not what he *exactly* meant with them, it seems like a bit too much to slag off the writer and accuse him of hypocrisy on a very serious matter
But what do I know again?
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Post by dazed on May 1, 2021 3:28:08 GMT -5
How are people not going nuts over this? This is beautiful. Liam fan here too but I love this.
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Post by hasseg on May 1, 2021 3:31:57 GMT -5
GOOD LUCK IN THE AFTERLIFE ❤️❤️❤️
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Post by Teotihuacan on May 1, 2021 3:48:20 GMT -5
I loved all this , intriguing lyric, super melody, nice use of the backing harmonies.
It's likely Noel was influenced by the Andreas Glorious strings mentioned on Page 1 of this thread, but it came back to me this morning that Andreas also borrowed the hook from the 1994 hit (the same year as Definitely Maybe) Seal's "Prayer for the Dying" .
A magnificent song which coincidentally features a poignant reflective lyric apparently about accepting dying / moving on to the afterlife.
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Post by bt95 on May 1, 2021 3:56:05 GMT -5
So we're now digging deep into Noel Gallagher's lyrics? This is the same bloke that wrote about lasagna, took a name off his brother in a soundcheck, and generally just uses lyrics as a tool. Sure they can be deep, but Oasis/NG's (and Liam's) songs mean so much to so many people because the lyrics are generally very much not tied to one subject matter and can be taken in many ways. For some it's any excuse to slag the bloke off, clearly. For me, it's just an uplifting song and doesn't seem to be about anything in particular. So much underselling of Noel’s old lyrics, all because he (mostly) got worse at them. Noel has written some good lyrics. He’s not Dylan but who is? And yeah, he wrote a song about lasagna, but that’s not what made him famous. The entirety of Definitely Maybe with its quite raw and powerful lyrics of solidarity and yearning (mixed with his brother’s ability to make those potentially melodramatic things sound thrilling) is what made him famous. These lyrics are decent – a bit much with the self-referencing and they don’t quite build emotionally the way I’d secretly hoped from the early preview but they are vivid, personal and meaningful and not just a list of platitudes. Also would say I get that lyrics don't matter at all for some, and that's totally fine, but it's not just an excuse to slag someone off to talk about lyrics. They are a literal structural element of rock/pop songs and a fair point on which to critique if you're gonna critique. That's especially true for someone like Noel, who has written songs that lyrically mean so much to people. He set a bar. He may wish to remove the bar now, but it's already there. I didn't mean to make out that I don't like his lyrics. I do. I think they get slated unfairly most of the time. Sometimes he gets lazy with them but generally they work for the songs. I just don't think he's a songwriter that pins any real meaning to his lyrics. Maybe they're influence by certain events, or phrases, or things in life - sure - but he's not someone that before every song goes "this is what I was thinking when I wrote this" etc. I also didn't mean to say that people were slagging him off for the lyrics. What I was referring to is that some people seem to have determined this was about Caroline Flack, and then someone slagged him off because he's mates or was mates with Gordon Smart... |
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 1, 2021 3:56:56 GMT -5
The point's not that Noel's lyrics are meaningless (they're not many times, they are at time, these are certainly not), or bad, but that as in this case we only know what they mean to us personally and not what he *exactly* meant with them, it seems like a bit too much to slag off the writer and accuse him of hypocrisy on a very serious matter But what do I know again? Occupational hazard for writers, getting misinterpreted. (Was it about lasagna, tho?!) Seriously, seems fine just to say “I’m sure you’re completely wrong” if you disagree with a person’s bizarre interpretation of a song. But no need to suggest people should stop talking about lyrics or that Noel’s lyrics don’t even merit discussion just because we can’t clairvoyantly see into his mind. People are still arguing over who certain Dylan lyrics are about 50 years later. In the end, that’s a good thing, especially if you’re Dylan. |
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Post by bt95 on May 1, 2021 4:02:12 GMT -5
The point's not that Noel's lyrics are meaningless (they're not many times, they are at time, these are certainly not), or bad, but that as in this case we only know what they mean to us personally and not what he *exactly* meant with them, it seems like a bit too much to slag off the writer and accuse him of hypocrisy on a very serious matter But what do I know again? Occupational hazard for writers, getting misinterpreted. (Was it about lasagna, tho?!) Seriously, seems fine just to say “I’m sure you’re completely wrong” if you disagree with a person’s bizarre interpretation of a song. But no need to suggest people should stop talking about lyrics or that Noel’s lyrics don’t even merit discussion just because we can’t clairvoyantly see into his mind. People are still arguing over who certain Dylan lyrics are about 50 years later. In the end, that’s a good thing, especially if you’re Dylan. Again, this genuinely wasn't my intention at all. Noel's written some of the classics, lyrics included. I don't tend to dig deep into the meaning behind them though because I don't see Noel as a storyteller in the way that say, Alex Turner can be, or Kelly Jones (who very much is a storyteller songwriter). I just think leaping to a certain conclusion based on very little evidence, all to really just try and call Noel out, is bizarre. Anyway, I love this tune. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on May 1, 2021 4:59:59 GMT -5
Occupational hazard for writers, getting misinterpreted. (Was it about lasagna, tho?!) Seriously, seems fine just to say “I’m sure you’re completely wrong” if you disagree with a person’s bizarre interpretation of a song. But no need to suggest people should stop talking about lyrics or that Noel’s lyrics don’t even merit discussion just because we can’t clairvoyantly see into his mind. People are still arguing over who certain Dylan lyrics are about 50 years later. In the end, that’s a good thing, especially if you’re Dylan. Again, this genuinely wasn't my intention at all. Noel's written some of the classics, lyrics included. I don't tend to dig deep into the meaning behind them though because I don't see Noel as a storyteller in the way that say, Alex Turner can be, or Kelly Jones (who very much is a storyteller songwriter). I just think leaping to a certain conclusion based on very little evidence, all to really just try and call Noel out, is bizarre. Anyway, I love this tune. My bad. Our posts crossed in the mail and I was going to delete the above and then got distracted by something unrelated to the forum. All's cool. Really appreciated your clarification and comments. Agreed that Noel is not a storyteller lyricist, which I always found in his favor, because the world is full of great ones already ... |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 1, 2021 11:20:02 GMT -5
This is his best song in years I think. Would have been worthy of the Oasis catalogue.
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Post by modxxii on May 1, 2021 12:03:38 GMT -5
The more I listen the more I love his vocals here. This one and the snippet of Mind Games are imo unbelievable.
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Post by mimmihopps on May 1, 2021 12:05:40 GMT -5
I must admit that I'm loving this song now. You've got me again, Noel. You cheeky bastard.
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Post by mouth on May 1, 2021 12:20:32 GMT -5
6/10
it's post-oasis-noel on autopilot. he probably writes 10 of these a week.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 1, 2021 13:17:20 GMT -5
The fact that this is considered standard Noel Gallagher tells you how good Noel Gallagher is.
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