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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 17, 2018 21:13:23 GMT -5
Both Gallaghers are appealing to the exact same demographic.
First week sales for AYW was 100,000 and for WBTM was 70,000.
That means 30,000 people bought AYW but not WBTM.
What the actual fuck? How? Wouldn’t you expect fans of Liam to buy Noel’s and vice versa? Especially considering they were released one month apart!
Shameful. Fucking parka monkeys, aye.
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Post by Hans Gruber on Jan 17, 2018 21:17:58 GMT -5
A lot of teenage girls and soccer moms bought As You Were for cheeseball songs like 'Wall of Glass' and 'For What It's Worth'....
Thanks.
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Post by cognition on Jan 17, 2018 22:09:26 GMT -5
For what it’s worth I think I’ve got all I need with the new Noel album. But it doesn’t have to be that way, I would be as bold to say that it’s just something liam cannot replicate as you only get one come back to me album.
I think we should all just be a bit happier that we have two great albums in this beautiful world and I get by everyday happy with that. Actually, it is really frustrating seeing people argue about it all the time, we don’t need an oasis union, that bird is dead in the water, let it go. Everyone should be careful why you wish for.
It makes me so happy to see Noel keep on reaching o new height with his experimentation, rather than keep it hidden away in Fort Knox with the purportedly destroyed AA recordings.
God help us all if we continue like this!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 22:12:49 GMT -5
Not that I care, but wasn’t Liam’s album pre-released way before its release date? All those pre-orders counted in the week 1 sales.
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 17, 2018 22:13:39 GMT -5
I genuinely don't mean this as a knock but Liam's album was produced by a major corporation with a vested interest in the financial success of the record. So is Noel but he definitely does not have the resources of Warners to help sell an album.
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Post by bloodonthetracks on Jan 17, 2018 23:21:08 GMT -5
Erm it might have something to do with the fact that:-
1) WBTM is average
2) It isn't far out, edgy, experimental or exciting. Infact it just sounds like a 50 year old multi millionaire rock star slowly disappearing up his own arse
3) Noel has turned into a really dislikeable character
Take your pick.
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Post by cigarsinhell on Jan 18, 2018 1:45:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure the sales of the first week of a record's release really mean anything. WBTM has probably sold about the same--if not more--than AYW since it's been a couple of months to even things out and get word of mouth about.
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Post by bt95 on Jan 18, 2018 5:12:17 GMT -5
Both Gallaghers are appealing to the exact same demographic.
First week sales for AYW was 100,000 and for WBTM was 70,000. That means 30,000 people bought AYW but not WBTM. What the actual fuck? How? Wouldn’t you expect fans of Liam to buy Noel’s and vice versa? Especially considering they were released one month apart! Shameful. Fucking parka monkeys, aye. This is factually incorrect |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 18, 2018 5:17:53 GMT -5
Erm it might have something to do with the fact that:- 1) WBTM is average 2) It isn't far out, edgy, experimental or exciting. Infact it just sounds like a 50 year old multi millionaire rock star slowly disappearing up his own arse 3) Noel has turned into a really dislikeable character Take your pick. Well, it's got less to do with that as AYW is much more of a 'bland', 'commercial' record (even though I really like it). The main reasons are: 1. Liam is a superstar. Supersonic's release last year put Oasis firmly back in the spotlight after a year or so of them returning to popularity due to the 16-20yr olds discovering their back catalogue. Oasis are still the biggest rock band in Britain for that generation. Nothing else comes close. It's sad, but true. 2. Liam has built on that 'zeitgeist' a bit with clever use of marketing. Debbie has done brilliantly, and Liam has just been himself. Through Twitter, in interviews. Again, he's an idol. And he is idolised by the youth as this generation (my generation, pretty much) doesn't have an idol our age. 3. Oasis are bigger now than when they broke up. AYW is only 'Oasis-y' in the sense that it's a collection of commercial songs with Liam Gallagher singing. Liam's gigs have sold out and been so hyped because it's Liam. It's Liam singing Oasis songs and a his own. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 7:28:21 GMT -5
Erm it might have something to do with the fact that:- 1) WBTM is average 2) It isn't far out, edgy, experimental or exciting. Infact it just sounds like a 50 year old multi millionaire rock star slowly disappearing up his own arse 3) Noel has turned into a really dislikeable character Take your pick. #1 & #3, they're your opinions. I don't agree with them, but not my place to try and get someone to like music/a person they don't currently like.  On #1 though... I think that people should be careful about making any significant connections between sales and quality. I can get that people who enjoy a particular artist/album that have/has also sold well will tend to make that connection between sales + quality. But if you then follow through that logic, you could reach conclusions such as that the Mr. Blobby song is on a par with Live Forever and better than Cigarettes and Alcohol. So for that reason I avoid those sort of statements. A lot of music that I think is crap has sold well, and vice versa #2 - "It isn't far out, edgy, experimental or exciting" - that seems to imply that Liam's album is those things, and that's why it's sold more. As a opinion on it's own, yes there are loads more 'far out' + 'experimental' albums out there, but I can't see where you're coming from by implying that As You Were is more edgy or experimental than Who Built The Moon?, and that's a supposed reason for why it sold more. Plus, more 'far out, edgy, experimental or exciting' music generally sells less than more straightforward music (don't think I need to elaborate on this, skimming through the charts seems to show exciting music as the exception rather than the rule), so if anything, saying it isn't 'far out, edgy, experimental or exciting' acts as more of an argument for why the gulf is smaller than it may have otherwise been had he experimented more. ____ I think it's mostly about promotion and Liam having the backing of Warner Bros., compared to Noel's Sour Mash. I think promotion is what almost all album sales come down to in the end. |
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Post by frogerz on Jan 18, 2018 8:51:07 GMT -5
Being on Warner would make some difference. However Liam's album & PR is far stronger than Noel's at the moment.
I believe Noel's tour not selling out is partly down to Liam being back so people can get their Oasis fix there rather than Noel.
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Post by frogerz on Jan 18, 2018 8:54:53 GMT -5
Erm it might have something to do with the fact that:- 1) WBTM is average 2) It isn't far out, edgy, experimental or exciting. Infact it just sounds like a 50 year old multi millionaire rock star slowly disappearing up his own arse 3) Noel has turned into a really dislikeable character Take your pick. You make a good point generally speaking however Liam/Noel have a very similar fanbase so quality would make an impact.
For example Beady Eye selling less than NGHFB was a lot down to quality.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 9:17:14 GMT -5
Apples to Oranges I'm afraid.
It's nigh impossible to compare a debut release to a third release.
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 18, 2018 9:33:53 GMT -5
You make a good point generally speaking however Liam/Noel have a very similar fanbase so quality would make an impact.
For example Beady Eye selling less than NGHFB was a lot down to quality.
If album sales came down to quality, the charts would look significantly different than what they do. In reality, compare chart success with the amount of money that a company puts into their artists, and I think you'll find a better explanation as to why records sell more than others. |
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Post by glio on Jan 18, 2018 10:30:35 GMT -5
Apples to Oranges I'm afraid. It's nigh impossible to compare a debut release to a third release. i agree its difficult to compare solo debut to a third release, but it kinda is a third release with AYW (in a way)... but also Liam is just killing it live, a level noel was never at just after his first solo album |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 18, 2018 10:43:32 GMT -5
(tried to) watched Noel's story about Jerry Seinfeld... how shit was that?
as for Liam he's still the same fucker he was since teenage years I believe.
IT'S ABOUT BEING REAL
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 18, 2018 11:08:33 GMT -5
Tbh, I don't give a shit about WBTM. I'm not saying that it is bad but it is maybe the most meaningless record that we ever got from Gallaghers. Listening to whole WBTM is complete waste of time for me. I am fan of Noel but I'm not some brainless fangirl. Liam used all his strengths, Noel didn't.
I mean, fair play to Noel, If he is happy to do what he is doing, I'm glad for him and it was the right move for him. It's just that I would never buy WBTM, not with this financial situation anyway. I would never save money to buy it. If I had 1000 euros to spend on music records then yeah, I would have bought WBTM among other albums.
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Post by janelr on Jan 18, 2018 11:12:39 GMT -5
Being on Warner would make some difference. However Liam's album & PR is far stronger than Noel's at the moment. I believe Noel's tour not selling out is partly down to Liam being back so people can get their Oasis fix there rather than Noel. That's true for me. Many of us don't have deep pockets of disposable income and lord knows I've spent all of mine on Liam already.
Also Liam seems to have really widened his audience more than Noel. There's been a noticeable change in how he's perceived probably from around the time since Supersonic was released and the good will has grown with every interview he's given. I've seen loads of kids at Liam's shows who probably weren't even born yet during Oasis' heyday. They think he's cool. And real. And flawed. Plus the album's good too.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 18, 2018 11:52:49 GMT -5
There is a myriad of factors that make the difference. Firstly I don't think there is a huge gulf in sales and as others have said it is Noel's third record.
Liam's marketing has been focused and well executed, Noel hasn't bothered all that much. Liam has a youthful spirit, he's direct and honest and unsurprisingly has picked up a lot of young fans who don't have a real rock n roll star of there own.
A revived interest in Oasis beginning with the Supersonic film.
More people have seemingly connected with Liam's music.
Noel has come across as a bit of a prick.
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 18, 2018 11:55:15 GMT -5
(tried to) watched Noel's story about Jerry Seinfeld... how shit was that? as for Liam he's still the same fucker he was since teenage years I believe. IT'S ABOUT BEING REAL In my experience, the people who are the same as they were when they were teenagers are sad bastards. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 18, 2018 12:02:09 GMT -5
(tried to) watched Noel's story about Jerry Seinfeld... how shit was that? as for Liam he's still the same fucker he was since teenage years I believe. IT'S ABOUT BEING REAL In my experience, the people who are the same as they were when they were teenagers are sad bastards. I know a lot of people who haven't that changed much, they were top people when we were teenagers and still are. Liam has changed a little, I think he's mellowed out a lot. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 18, 2018 12:06:55 GMT -5
In my experience, the people who are the same as they were when they were teenagers are sad bastards. I know a lot of people who haven't that changed much, they were top people when we were teenagers and still are. Liam has changed a little, I think he's mellowed out a lot. I don't know. For me, I think it's best to grow as a person not stay stagnant, even if you were a top person. I can't imagine anyone has reached their zenith in their teen years. Liam has changed but I can only hope beyond all hope that I'm not like the way he is today in eight years. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 18, 2018 12:07:04 GMT -5
(tried to) watched Noel's story about Jerry Seinfeld... how shit was that? as for Liam he's still the same fucker he was since teenage years I believe. IT'S ABOUT BEING REAL In my experience, the people who are the same as they were when they were teenagers are sad bastards. there is a difference between change and evolution - TO ME anyway. ONE AND THE SAME though |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 18, 2018 12:08:59 GMT -5
Liam has changed but I can only hope beyond all hope that I'm not like the way he is today in eight years. dont you worry man, you wont ever touch his greatness. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 18, 2018 12:14:01 GMT -5
I should clarify. I hope I am not paying child support after leaving a trail of broken marriages and illegitimate children. I guess I'm fuzzy on what constitutes greatness. But, no, I won't have sung on some great records and be known for my Twitter comments is I guess what you mean.
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