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Post by janedoe on Jan 21, 2018 2:35:44 GMT -5
Where does this thing about moms buying AYW come from? Moms suddenly like Liam Gallagher because of one song? After being the bad boy for decades? Liam sold more than Noel because he gained a lot of new young fans not because moms liked FWIW. My mom doesn't like either. She liked David Gray. LOL we need a new thread - Music our mums like(d) My Mum knows the Beatles, and that's about it for popular music in recent centuries. She knows a lot about opera, tho |
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 21, 2018 9:37:35 GMT -5
Not even Kid A is that big of a departure, if Radiohead had release Kid A after The Bends then it would have been a big departure, but OKC did the bridge, many elements of Kid A were already on OKC. Maybe a big departure would have be something like U2's Joshua Tree to Achtung Baby. Oh I think you are understating the shock waves of Kid A. People and fans weren’t happy. Kinda reminds me of the Last Jedi backlash. Kid A basically has no guitars, samples, weird keyboards and Thom with a million voice manipulations. They released no singles. No videos. Did almost zero press. It was drastic as hell and took huge balls to go 180 on the much acclaimed ok computer. Many more lights years between ok computer and kid a compared to Joshu to Achtung. It was not much a 180 turn, those eletronica and weird elements were already on OKC, but were more advanced on Kid A, but I understand what you have said. U2 on the other hand changed sound and style completely, they sounded and looked like another band entirely, from roots American music to modern european influences. |
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Post by LlAM on Jan 21, 2018 9:40:50 GMT -5
My mom doesn't like either. She liked David Gray. LOL we need a new thread - Music our mums like(d) My Mum knows the Beatles, and that's about it for popular music in recent centuries. She knows a lot about opera, tho My mum's favourite Oasis song is Sunday Morning Call bless her  |
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Post by eva on Jan 21, 2018 10:12:43 GMT -5
my mom doesn't like music in english, because she can't understand shit. But I remember she always used to ask "what was that song you used to listen all the time that said "to me*?" *only 2 words in english she's ever said And for the life of me I couldn't understand what she meant until years later I figured out she must have been refering to DYKWIM  |
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Jan 21, 2018 10:18:52 GMT -5
LOL we need a new thread - Music our mums like(d) My Mum knows the Beatles, and that's about it for popular music in recent centuries. She knows a lot about opera, tho My mum's favourite Oasis song is Sunday Morning Call bless her Years ago my father found that old video of Noel singing Sunday Morning Call acoustic on tv. He loved it and did not know it was Oasis until I told him. So I suppose it's one of his favourites too. |
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Post by Spaceman on Jan 21, 2018 10:53:40 GMT -5
Not even Kid A is that big of a departure, if Radiohead had release Kid A after The Bends then it would have been a big departure, but OKC did the bridge, many elements of Kid A were already on OKC. Maybe a big departure would have be something like U2's Joshua Tree to Achtung Baby. Oh I think you are understating the shock waves of Kid A. People and fans weren’t happy. Kinda reminds me of the Last Jedi backlash. Kid A basically has no guitars, samples, weird keyboards and Thom with a million voice manipulations. They released no singles. No videos. Did almost zero press. It was drastic as hell and took huge balls to go 180 on the much acclaimed ok computer. Many more lights years between ok computer and kid a compared to Joshu to Achtung. So they went from boring to very boring. Not a big departure imho tbh |
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Post by marqueemoon on Jan 21, 2018 10:55:56 GMT -5
Oh I think you are understating the shock waves of Kid A. People and fans weren’t happy. Kinda reminds me of the Last Jedi backlash. Kid A basically has no guitars, samples, weird keyboards and Thom with a million voice manipulations. They released no singles. No videos. Did almost zero press. It was drastic as hell and took huge balls to go 180 on the much acclaimed ok computer. Many more lights years between ok computer and kid a compared to Joshu to Achtung. It was not much a 180 turn, those eletronica and weird elements were already on OKC, but were more advanced on Kid A, but I understand what you have said. U2 on the other hand changed sound and style completely, they sounded and looked like another band entirely, from roots American music to modern european influences. It's even funnier when you take Rattle and Hum into account. I spent a day listening to the first half of U2's discography in order and the transition from something like Desire to a tune like The Fly is astounding. |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 21, 2018 12:00:00 GMT -5
Great post. Can't wait for Liam at Finsbury. But the new album has very little to do with Liam's tour success. Just as Noel's first album had little to do with his first tour success. How have you come to that rather stange conclusion? If he had put out some utter shite you think the tour would have been as big? I'm more than happy to accept that the revived interest in Liam isn't just because of the strength of the album but its getting boring that a lot of people are making about everything but that Well, clearly it has helped, but the major factor in him being able to sell-out Finsbury isn't his album, is it? It's the fact that he'll play 10 Oasis songs - and a lot of the crowd there will be people who never got a chance to go to an Oasis gig (people from 16 through to our age  ) It's not really a strange conclusion at all. I don't think Liam would be selling out 40,000 capacity gigs on the back of a decent pop record, mate. |
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Post by chamu on Jan 21, 2018 12:39:52 GMT -5
How have you come to that rather stange conclusion? If he had put out some utter shite you think the tour would have been as big? have I'm more than happy to accept that the revived interest in Liam isn't just because of the strength of the album but its getting boring that a lot of people are making about everything but that Well, clearly it has helped, but the major factor in him being able to sell-out Finsbury isn't his album, is it? It's the fact that he'll play 10 Oasis songs - and a lot of the crowd there will be people who never got a chance to go to an Oasis gig (people from 16 through to our age ) It's not really a strange conclusion at all. I don't think Liam would be selling out 40,000 capacity gigs on the back of a decent pop record, mate. I don´t agree with you. There is no major factor at all. It´s an addition of little things. A great comeback campaign with a very strong first single, great festival shows last summer with a powerful voice and Oasis songs (pretty obvious that the Oasis singer plays oasis songs...as obvious as the Oasis main songwriter plays oasis songs in his shows) and, finally, a great album. Without great new songs and a well received album, he wouldn´t be playing this summer for 40,000 people |
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Post by Manualex on Jan 21, 2018 13:00:42 GMT -5
my mom doesn't like music in english, because she can't understand shit. But I remember she always used to ask "what was that song you used to listen all the time that said "to me*?" *only 2 words in english she's ever said And for the life of me I couldn't understand what she meant until years later I figured out she must have been refering to DYKWIM Plotwist it was Come Back To Me 😂 |
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 21, 2018 13:16:35 GMT -5
Without great new songs and a well received album, he wouldn´t be playing this summer for 40,000 people I'm afraid there are too many examples to contradict that. People like Paul McCartney and Rod Stewart don't sell out huge venues as a result of the calibre of their new albums. They do it because people are going for the name and for the history. |
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Post by chamu on Jan 21, 2018 15:27:37 GMT -5
Without great new songs and a well received album, he wouldn´t be playing this summer for 40,000 people I'm afraid there are too many examples to contradict that. People like Paul McCartney and Rod Stewart don't sell out huge venues as a result of the calibre of their new albums. They do it because people are going for the name and for the history. Ok, for all of you ONLY Noel Gallagher fans, repeat with me: AYW is rubbish and Liam´s success is just because he´s playing Oasis songs written by Noel in his shows Just one question: Why is not Noel playing this kind of shows? I think his setlists are full of well-known Oasis songs too. And please, don´t tell he´s not interested in... I´d say that Liam is doing some awesome things too...not only playing Wonderwall |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 21, 2018 15:39:10 GMT -5
How have you come to that rather stange conclusion? If he had put out some utter shite you think the tour would have been as big? I'm more than happy to accept that the revived interest in Liam isn't just because of the strength of the album but its getting boring that a lot of people are making about everything but that Well, clearly it has helped, but the major factor in him being able to sell-out Finsbury isn't his album, is it? It's the fact that he'll play 10 Oasis songs - and a lot of the crowd there will be people who never got a chance to go to an Oasis gig (people from 16 through to our age ) It's not really a strange conclusion at all. I don't think Liam would be selling out 40,000 capacity gigs on the back of a decent pop record, mate. I already said its not the only reason  Why then isn't Noel selling out? |
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Post by Hans Gruber on Jan 21, 2018 18:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by sfsorrow on Jan 21, 2018 19:09:20 GMT -5
I'm afraid there are too many examples to contradict that. People like Paul McCartney and Rod Stewart don't sell out huge venues as a result of the calibre of their new albums. They do it because people are going for the name and for the history. Ok, for you to all ONLY Noel Gallagher fans, repeat with me: AYW is rubbish and Liam´s success is just because he´s playing Oasis songs written by Noel in his shows JUst one question: Why is not Noel playing this kind of shows? I think his setlists are full of well-known Oasis songs too. And please, don´t tell he´s not interested in... I´d say that Liam is doing some awesome things too...not only plays Wonderwall I never said AYW was rubbish. I haven't heard it and can't comment on it. My only point was that it is genuinely impossible to say that the reason he's selling out shows is because of the strength of his album. Bringing up Noel Gallagher doesn't quite make sense. Some artists like Paul McCartney and Elton John can sell out shows, not based on new material but based on their name and the money that goes into advertising their shows, while others can't. I doubt Ringo could sell out venues the way McCartney does, despite the fact that both were in the same greatest band of all time, and I think that would still be true even if in 2018 Ringo puts out an album that's better than one that McCartney puts out, which at this point is actually a possibility for reasons similar to the Liam/Noel issue. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 21, 2018 23:50:51 GMT -5
Oh I think you are understating the shock waves of Kid A. People and fans weren’t happy. Kinda reminds me of the Last Jedi backlash. Kid A basically has no guitars, samples, weird keyboards and Thom with a million voice manipulations. They released no singles. No videos. Did almost zero press. It was drastic as hell and took huge balls to go 180 on the much acclaimed ok computer. Many more lights years between ok computer and kid a compared to Joshu to Achtung. It was not much a 180 turn, those eletronica and weird elements were already on OKC, but were more advanced on Kid A, but I understand what you have said. U2 on the other hand changed sound and style completely, they sounded and looked like another band entirely, from roots American music to modern european influences. Achtung Baby wasn't a difficult record. It was just a totally different sound. Industrial/electronic/dancey but straight forward. That album was full of radio hits and sold over 10 million copies in America alone to a massive arena tour. It did the business. Kid A is not only a sonic departure but also not an easy listen. Achtung didn't have that problem. Kid A was going down the rabbits hole and frustrated fans for many many years because they didn't truly come back from that for a long long time. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 22, 2018 3:12:24 GMT -5
Ok, for you to all ONLY Noel Gallagher fans, repeat with me: AYW is rubbish and Liam´s success is just because he´s playing Oasis songs written by Noel in his shows JUst one question: Why is not Noel playing this kind of shows? I think his setlists are full of well-known Oasis songs too. And please, don´t tell he´s not interested in... I´d say that Liam is doing some awesome things too...not only plays Wonderwall I never said AYW was rubbish. I haven't heard it and can't comment on it. My only point was that it is genuinely impossible to say that the reason he's selling out shows is because of the strength of his album. Bringing up Noel Gallagher doesn't quite make sense. Some artists like Paul McCartney and Elton John can sell out shows, not based on new material but based on their name and the money that goes into advertising their shows, while others can't. I doubt Ringo could sell out venues the way McCartney does, despite the fact that both were in the same greatest band of all time, and I think that would still be true even if in 2018 Ringo puts out an album that's better than one that McCartney puts out, which at this point is actually a possibility for reasons similar to the Liam/Noel issue. You think Noel Gallagher is the Oasis equivalent of Ringo? Hmmmm... |
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Post by fiordiligi on Jan 22, 2018 3:42:28 GMT -5
How have you come to that rather stange conclusion? If he had put out some utter shite you think the tour would have been as big? I'm more than happy to accept that the revived interest in Liam isn't just because of the strength of the album but its getting boring that a lot of people are making about everything but that Well, clearly it has helped, but the major factor in him being able to sell-out Finsbury isn't his album, is it? It's the fact that he'll play 10 Oasis songs - and a lot of the crowd there will be people who never got a chance to go to an Oasis gig (people from 16 through to our age ) It's not really a strange conclusion at all. I don't think Liam would be selling out 40,000 capacity gigs on the back of a decent pop record, mate. Without a great comeback album that made him, and then Oasis, extremely popular again, Liam would have never sold Finsbury Park. AYW played a big role on why Liam’s tour is so successful. I’m really tired of people who belittle anything Liam does |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 22, 2018 4:10:41 GMT -5
Well, clearly it has helped, but the major factor in him being able to sell-out Finsbury isn't his album, is it? It's the fact that he'll play 10 Oasis songs - and a lot of the crowd there will be people who never got a chance to go to an Oasis gig (people from 16 through to our age ) It's not really a strange conclusion at all. I don't think Liam would be selling out 40,000 capacity gigs on the back of a decent pop record, mate. I don´t agree with you. There is no major factor at all. It´s an addition of little things. A great comeback campaign with a very strong first single, great festival shows last summer with a powerful voice and Oasis songs (pretty obvious that the Oasis singer plays oasis songs...as obvious as the Oasis main songwriter plays oasis songs in his shows) and, finally, a great album. Without great new songs and a well received album, he wouldn´t be playing this summer for 40,000 people True, like I said - a combination of things The basis for his great comeback has been his Oasis back catalogue though, just as it was with Noel |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 22, 2018 4:13:37 GMT -5
Well, clearly it has helped, but the major factor in him being able to sell-out Finsbury isn't his album, is it? It's the fact that he'll play 10 Oasis songs - and a lot of the crowd there will be people who never got a chance to go to an Oasis gig (people from 16 through to our age ) It's not really a strange conclusion at all. I don't think Liam would be selling out 40,000 capacity gigs on the back of a decent pop record, mate. Without a great comeback album that made him, and then Oasis, extremely popular again, Liam would have never sold Finsbury Park. AYW played a big role on why Liam’s tour is so successful. I’m really tired of people who belittle anything Liam does Liam Gallagher's comeback did not make Oasis popular again. Oasis' popularity was growing and growing over the last few years. It peaked last year with Liam then coming back on top of that (not because of it). Just like when they were massive the first time around, it's all about timing. The timing this time is a 'youth' that haven't got one or two bands that they idolise. They have had to go back 20 years for it. And it just so happens that the icon from 1995 is just as loutish, outspoken and just as much of a rock n roll star as he was back then. The difference is now it's on Twitter instead of the tabloids. Timing is everything and it's a combination of things that have led to Liam's sell-out tour and huge relative success. I'm chuffed for him, but overall AYW is just a small part of it. |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 22, 2018 4:18:41 GMT -5
Well, clearly it has helped, but the major factor in him being able to sell-out Finsbury isn't his album, is it? It's the fact that he'll play 10 Oasis songs - and a lot of the crowd there will be people who never got a chance to go to an Oasis gig (people from 16 through to our age ) It's not really a strange conclusion at all. I don't think Liam would be selling out 40,000 capacity gigs on the back of a decent pop record, mate. I already said its not the only reason Why then isn't Noel selling out? I'd say Noel isn't selling out for a few reasons (btw, as has already been pointed out, across Europe and US (where for some reason he's playing larger venues, which is strange) his ticket sales are just the same as they were in his last tours, it's only the UK that has so far proved different). - A lack of appetite for NG compared to LG - Liam has been marketed brilliantly and his record is more 'commercial' than Noel's in the sense it will appeal to the masses. It's 'cool' to like Liam Gallagher as an 18-year-old now. I don't think it's as cool to like Noel's 'dad rock', even though Noel's new album is less Dad rock than Liam's in a lot of ways - Noel has probably isolated a section of his fan base but tbh, it's the fan base that have been weird in how they've reacted to it. Noel has always been a dick yet they have seemed to take his 'parka monkey' comments personally when clearly he was just taking the piss. - Some people heard half of Holy Mountain and decided to judge Noel's entire album before listening to it. That's what happens now, ultimately. People aren't willing to try things out before forming an opinion. - Noel hasn't got the iconic rock star image that Liam has. Liam's gone through the ringer and come out the other side with a really strong comeback record that has been promoted really well. Noel's on his third album and is taking a different direction. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 22, 2018 4:54:30 GMT -5
I already said its not the only reason Why then isn't Noel selling out? I'd say Noel isn't selling out for a few reasons (btw, as has already been pointed out, across Europe and US (where for some reason he's playing larger venues, which is strange) his ticket sales are just the same as they were in his last tours, it's only the UK that has so far proved different). - A lack of appetite for NG compared to LG - Liam has been marketed brilliantly and his record is more 'commercial' than Noel's in the sense it will appeal to the masses. It's 'cool' to like Liam Gallagher as an 18-year-old now. I don't think it's as cool to like Noel's 'dad rock', even though Noel's new album is less Dad rock than Liam's in a lot of ways - Noel has probably isolated a section of his fan base but tbh, it's the fan base that have been weird in how they've reacted to it. Noel has always been a dick yet they have seemed to take his 'parka monkey' comments personally when clearly he was just taking the piss. - Some people heard half of Holy Mountain and decided to judge Noel's entire album before listening to it. That's what happens now, ultimately. People aren't willing to try things out before forming an opinion. - Noel hasn't got the iconic rock star image that Liam has. Liam's gone through the ringer and come out the other side with a really strong comeback record that has been promoted really well. Noel's on his third album and is taking a different direction. - A lack of appetite for NG compared to LG - Liam has been marketed brilliantly and his record is more 'commercial' than Noel's in the sense it will appeal to the masses. It's 'cool' to like Liam Gallagher as an 18-year-old now. I don't think it's as cool to like Noel's 'dad rock', even though Noel's new album is less Dad rock than Liam's in a lot of waysNoel's album isn't dad rock and while Liam's album contains the simpler more straightforward songs it has some fresh, comtemporary production that have made it a more accessible album to a new generation of fans. So you are now saying that you simply can't bash out 10 Oasis songs and the people will come? - Noel has probably isolated a section of his fan base but tbh, it's the fan base that have been weird in how they've reacted to it. Noel has always been a dick yet they have seemed to take his 'parka monkey' comments personally when clearly he was just taking the piss.Ya, its everyone elses fault but his. People took it personally because any one who didn't like his new record who are Oasis fans he implied were knuckle draggers who didn't get it. Liam was clever with this, he made fun of it and took ownership of it. - Some people heard half of Holy Mountain and decided to judge Noel's entire album before listening to it. That's what happens now, ultimately. People aren't willing to try things out before forming an opinion.Ya, its everyone else. - Noel hasn't got the iconic rock star image that Liam has. Liam's gone through the ringer and come out the other side with a really strong comeback record that has been promoted really well. Noel's on his third album and is taking a different direction.They are different rock stars but I wouldn't say that one is less iconic than the other, had you proclaimed that 2 years ago people would have laughed. |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 22, 2018 5:11:10 GMT -5
I'd say Noel isn't selling out for a few reasons (btw, as has already been pointed out, across Europe and US (where for some reason he's playing larger venues, which is strange) his ticket sales are just the same as they were in his last tours, it's only the UK that has so far proved different). - A lack of appetite for NG compared to LG - Liam has been marketed brilliantly and his record is more 'commercial' than Noel's in the sense it will appeal to the masses. It's 'cool' to like Liam Gallagher as an 18-year-old now. I don't think it's as cool to like Noel's 'dad rock', even though Noel's new album is less Dad rock than Liam's in a lot of ways - Noel has probably isolated a section of his fan base but tbh, it's the fan base that have been weird in how they've reacted to it. Noel has always been a dick yet they have seemed to take his 'parka monkey' comments personally when clearly he was just taking the piss. - Some people heard half of Holy Mountain and decided to judge Noel's entire album before listening to it. That's what happens now, ultimately. People aren't willing to try things out before forming an opinion. - Noel hasn't got the iconic rock star image that Liam has. Liam's gone through the ringer and come out the other side with a really strong comeback record that has been promoted really well. Noel's on his third album and is taking a different direction. - A lack of appetite for NG compared to LG - Liam has been marketed brilliantly and his record is more 'commercial' than Noel's in the sense it will appeal to the masses. It's 'cool' to like Liam Gallagher as an 18-year-old now. I don't think it's as cool to like Noel's 'dad rock', even though Noel's new album is less Dad rock than Liam's in a lot of waysNoel's album isn't dad rock and while Liam's album contains the simpler more straightforward songs it has some fresh, comtemporary production that have made it a more accessible album to a new generation of fans. So you are now saying that you simply can't bash out 10 Oasis songs and the people will come? - Noel has probably isolated a section of his fan base but tbh, it's the fan base that have been weird in how they've reacted to it. Noel has always been a dick yet they have seemed to take his 'parka monkey' comments personally when clearly he was just taking the piss.Ya, its everyone elses fault but his. People took it personally because any one who didn't like his new record who are Oasis fans he implied were knuckle draggers who didn't get it. Liam was clever with this, he made fun of it and took ownership of it. - Some people heard half of Holy Mountain and decided to judge Noel's entire album before listening to it. That's what happens now, ultimately. People aren't willing to try things out before forming an opinion.Ya, its everyone else. - Noel hasn't got the iconic rock star image that Liam has. Liam's gone through the ringer and come out the other side with a really strong comeback record that has been promoted really well. Noel's on his third album and is taking a different direction.They are different rock stars but I wouldn't say that one is less iconic than the other, had you proclaimed that 2 years ago people would have laughed. Not at all blaming others for the comparative difference in success. 2017 was Liam's year, no doubt about it. I'm happy we've got them both on good form. |
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Post by janedoe on Jan 22, 2018 5:16:21 GMT -5
Well, clearly it has helped, but the major factor in him being able to sell-out Finsbury isn't his album, is it? It's the fact that he'll play 10 Oasis songs - and a lot of the crowd there will be people who never got a chance to go to an Oasis gig (people from 16 through to our age ) It's not really a strange conclusion at all. I don't think Liam would be selling out 40,000 capacity gigs on the back of a decent pop record, mate. Without a great comeback album that made him, and then Oasis, extremely popular again, Liam would have never sold Finsbury Park. AYW played a big role on why Liam’s tour is so successful. I’m really tired of people who belittle anything Liam does AYW was a focus for Liam to be presented back to the world. Without it, the tour would be only Oasis songs, so not really as exciting as seeing him perform his new songs. It is very exciting to think that in a couple of years Liam will have more than one album worth of non-Oasis songs to perform, and more reason to go and see him live. |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 22, 2018 6:30:33 GMT -5
Without a great comeback album that made him, and then Oasis, extremely popular again, Liam would have never sold Finsbury Park. AYW played a big role on why Liam’s tour is so successful. I’m really tired of people who belittle anything Liam does AYW was a focus for Liam to be presented back to the world. Without it, the tour would be only Oasis songs, so not really as exciting as seeing him perform his new songs. It is very exciting to think that in a couple of years Liam will have more than one album worth of non-Oasis songs to perform, and more reason to go and see him live. But the reason so many people want to see Liam live isn't because of the songs off AYW. They're definitely a part of it, of course, but the main thing is people being able to see him belt out the classics. Look at the hype for his gigs in May. I know they were small venues and released very quickly in terms of turnaround, but you can't tell me that people weren't more hyped to hear him sing 'Rock N Roll Star' or 'Be Here Now' than they were to hear the new stuff. Liam hasn't made Oasis popular again. Oasis' popularity has been growing steadily over the last few years and, as timing would have it, both brothers have released albums last year to create 'peak' hype over the last few months. And they're both bloody good albums at that. |
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