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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jun 16, 2017 11:51:59 GMT -5
This is from the Electric Proms gig back on the DOYS tour, what the fuck was happening back then, seriously? Who'd have thought back then we'd have the vocals we get from him now. Hell of a turn around. fuckinhell that is pure fuckin ear-rape that like, its sounds like a pissed up nobody on a karaoke
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 16, 2017 12:19:37 GMT -5
Tbh he barely even sounds human on that. This Hashimoto's disease typically starts between 30 and 50 years of age, I strongly suspect he has been suffering for a long time without a diagnosis and 'singing' through it
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Post by 5upernova on Jun 16, 2017 12:45:23 GMT -5
Compare the Cigarettes and alchohol live vocals to what he sounds like now. Great improvement.
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Post by MacaRonic on Jun 16, 2017 14:05:19 GMT -5
This is from the Electric Proms gig back on the DOYS tour, what the fuck was happening back then, seriously? Who'd have thought back then we'd have the vocals we get from him now. Hell of a turn around. Holy shit that's atrocious.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jun 16, 2017 14:59:09 GMT -5
Whole gig
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 15:16:47 GMT -5
Has Liam been wearing in ear monitors or going with stage monitors? Im jw because it seemed like his voice got more fucked when he started wearing them back in the day. Idk why but maybe he was trying to sing in a way he thought sounded good but didnt. Idk im jw. I have always had that thought in my head because it went down hill once i saw him start wearing them He started using them in 2004 until 2009. I don't think he used them in 2011-12 but he did use them in 2013/14. Now he doesn't wear them. I know a lot of bands use them to get the timing right with a click track.
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Jun 16, 2017 16:44:30 GMT -5
Has Liam been wearing in ear monitors or going with stage monitors? Im jw because it seemed like his voice got more fucked when he started wearing them back in the day. Idk why but maybe he was trying to sing in a way he thought sounded good but didnt. Idk im jw. I have always had that thought in my head because it went down hill once i saw him start wearing them He started using them in 2004 until 2009. I don't think he used them in 2011-12 but he did use them in 2013/14. Now he doesn't wear them. I know a lot of bands use them to get the timing right with a click track. He wore them at the Ritz. Dont think he got on with them as he took them out part way through the gig. Not sure if he's worn them since.
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Post by cloudburster on Jun 17, 2017 18:48:38 GMT -5
Regarding the band sounding a bit muted, anyone wondering if it's intentional to let Liam's vocals breathe. We know after Oasis split up that Liam was saying he had to shout over the guitars up to 11, and he sounded better in Beady eye but still occasionally had to shout to be heard. So with this band I suspect it's been toned down a bit so he can show people he can still sing when given the chance. We all heard his acoustic stuff pre-BE which was fantastic - the voice is still there it just doesn't have the power to project over the 90s style distorted guitars
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 19:47:04 GMT -5
Thanks for that man, shows that august c*nt was talking bollocks. I've said the exact same thing as him during Beady Eye, that people were only saying his vocals were good because they weren't quite as piss poor as usual, but when I listen to Rock N Roll star from One Love Manchester it's so much better than the one in that video. He's definitely had something done, surgery for nodules on his vocal chords or medicine for a throat problem or something because it's definitely markedly better. I worried a bit when I heard him in videos at one of the festivals, pinkpop or something, it wasn't bad, but there were times where it was strained I thought oh shit it's gonna be done soon but a few days later in Dublin and he was back on it which I swear I didn't see in Oasis and BE, the decline was real and irreversible during those tours.
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Post by august on Jun 18, 2017 4:12:14 GMT -5
Thanks for that man, shows that august c*nt was talking bollocks. I've said the exact same thing as him during Beady Eye, that people were only saying his vocals were good because they weren't quite as piss poor as usual, but when I listen to Rock N Roll star from One Love Manchester it's so much better than the one in that video. He's definitely had something done, surgery for nodules on his vocal chords or medicine for a throat problem or something because it's definitely markedly better. I worried a bit when I heard him in videos at one of the festivals, pinkpop or something, it wasn't bad, but there were times where it was strained I thought oh shit it's gonna be done soon but a few days later in Dublin and he was back on it which I swear I didn't see in Oasis and BE, the decline was real and irreversible during those tours. This was one of the worst examples of the tour, after about 20 concerts without many (any?) breaks (if I understand the tour schedule correctly), and furthermore they played more songs on each concert. Also, many of the songs are played in their original key in this video. He didn't sound this bad in Argentina, for instance. You guys love cherry picking examples to defend your unsustainable position. Sure, he hit some notes better at One Love compared to the rehearsal gig in 2008 (a more reasonable comparison). But he still sounds like another person, and his voice is very weak and empty.
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Post by nutsngum on Jun 18, 2017 6:29:37 GMT -5
I'm not totally on board with the 20 years thing. Think he's sounding the best he has done since maybe 2003? Which is still very impressive.
I had gripes at that time with Liam's voice, and they still remain - whilst he's holding the notes, he's usually flat on a lot of songs (which in fairness he has been since 98) - some songs he's not hitting the notes at all, the first note of the Be Here Now verse the most obvious example.
Still - he's sounding as good as we can hope for these days, and I'd rather have him out there than not.
Oh, and as someone with nodules - if he had surgery (I don't think he has, he'd have probably said, nothing to hide by saying you have) , I'm not sure you'd be hearing much improvement anyway - except with maybe power. Also, if you have nodules and keep singing the way that got you nodules...they'll come back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 6:35:33 GMT -5
He's definitely had something done, surgery for nodules on his vocal chords or medicine for a throat problem or something because it's definitely markedly better. He has been talking about this a lot in recent interviews, how he went to the doctor because of his voice problems and discovered he has Hashimoto's disease and now takes pills for it.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jun 18, 2017 6:46:44 GMT -5
Thanks for that man, shows that august c*nt was talking bollocks. I've said the exact same thing as him during Beady Eye, that people were only saying his vocals were good because they weren't quite as piss poor as usual, but when I listen to Rock N Roll star from One Love Manchester it's so much better than the one in that video. He's definitely had something done, surgery for nodules on his vocal chords or medicine for a throat problem or something because it's definitely markedly better. I worried a bit when I heard him in videos at one of the festivals, pinkpop or something, it wasn't bad, but there were times where it was strained I thought oh shit it's gonna be done soon but a few days later in Dublin and he was back on it which I swear I didn't see in Oasis and BE, the decline was real and irreversible during those tours. This was one of the worst examples of the tour, after about 20 concerts without many (any?) breaks (if I understand the tour schedule correctly), and furthermore they played more songs on each concert. Also, many of the songs are played in their original key in this video. He didn't sound this bad in Argentina, for instance. You guys love cherry picking examples to defend your unsustainable position. Sure, he hit some notes better at One Love compared to the rehearsal gig in 2008 (a more reasonable comparison). But he still sounds like another person, and his voice is very weak and empty. People of your opinion usually cherry pick the very worst examples to support that opinion to. One Love was decent, nothing more, nothing less. If he can generally maintain that standard for the tour it will be fine.
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Post by august on Jun 18, 2017 7:04:09 GMT -5
This was one of the worst examples of the tour, after about 20 concerts without many (any?) breaks (if I understand the tour schedule correctly), and furthermore they played more songs on each concert. Also, many of the songs are played in their original key in this video. He didn't sound this bad in Argentina, for instance. You guys love cherry picking examples to defend your unsustainable position. Sure, he hit some notes better at One Love compared to the rehearsal gig in 2008 (a more reasonable comparison). But he still sounds like another person, and his voice is very weak and empty. People of your opinion usually cherry pick the very worst examples to support that opinion to. One Love was decent, nothing more, nothing less. If he can generally maintain that standard for the tour it will be fine. When did I cherry pick anything? How is it even possible to cherry pick the worst performance when he only did a small numbers of concerts on this tour so far? Live Forever at One Love was probably the best performance so far, and it's the main example I have discussed. So it's of course the complete opposite of cherry picking examples in favor of my own position. At least he hit most notes on Live Forever, but the voice sounds weak and too nasal, and it is like a shell of what it once was like. Almost no power left.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 7:34:35 GMT -5
Of course there is less power then 20 years ago, name one singer who got more power after 20 years?
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Post by august on Jun 18, 2017 7:44:14 GMT -5
Of course there is less power then 20 years ago, name one singer who got more power after 20 years? I compared to a concert 9, not 20, years ago. And I said "almost NO power left". I didn't say I expected the same power as in 1995. I can think of very few, if any, singers who completely lost their voices over the years in the way Liam has. There is a famous swedish punk/industrial rock singer (Thåström) who has been shouting like Liam for 40 years. His vocie is still very powerful at most concerts (in fact, it's more powerful in one sense, since it is raspier and "deeper"). Sure, he cannot hit the high notes as well as before, but his voice is still very beautiful most of the time, and it doesn't sound like an empty shell. This is not the case with Liam. Maybe it's his stance. Maybe it's his disease. Anyway, clearly something is wrong here.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Jun 18, 2017 7:51:47 GMT -5
Of course there is less power then 20 years ago, name one singer who got more power after 20 years? him having more power isnt the issue. its how much he's lost. fair enough, singers dont gain power after two decades, but most front men dont fall as far as liam has...most couldnt, which is a testament to how great he really was. as for wall of glass? its alright. nothing special.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 9:07:11 GMT -5
This was one of the worst examples of the tour, after about 20 concerts without many (any?) breaks (if I understand the tour schedule correctly), and furthermore they played more songs on each concert. Also, many of the songs are played in their original key in this video. He didn't sound this bad in Argentina, for instance. You guys love cherry picking examples to defend your unsustainable position. Sure, he hit some notes better at One Love compared to the rehearsal gig in 2008 (a more reasonable comparison). But he still sounds like another person, and his voice is very weak and empty. People of your opinion usually cherry pick the very worst examples to support that opinion to. One Love was decent, nothing more, nothing less. If he can generally maintain that standard for the tour it will be fine. Exactly, he's not going to be a world beater ever again, but I never thought I'd be able to stomach a live performance by him ever again but he sounds fine, he doesn't sound bad which surprises me so much. For twatinchief august here's some of my earlier comments from me on Liam's voice, you know, one of "you guys", the Liam apologists who selectively pick clips to distort the differential in quality, if you pick me a clip post say 2005 where Liam sounds better than he did in Manchester then please link it, otherwise shutuppayaface: "I got through "Shake my tree, where's the apple for me?" and had to turn it off. It sounds so bad, and not the metaphor, the vocal in that live version is soooo fucking bad. The acoustic one someone posted above is worlds better, he actually sounds like he might be a singer in a rock band rather than a drunk chancer who's meandered his way towards a mic in a pub." "Yep I agree he sang fine on the album, live though the vocal was not good, it just wasn't as shite as it has been, it wasn't anywhere near as good as a professional singer should sound, rock n roll lifestyle or not." "Don't get me wrong, I love Liam, he was always honest and funny and could deliver a phenomenal vocal but unfortunately now only the first two are true." If you genuinely can't hear the significant improvement in his voice august then what can I do? I can't just beam objectivity into your head, you're destined to be a clown, for ever and ever. Amen.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Jun 18, 2017 9:24:54 GMT -5
Oh, and as someone with nodules - if he had surgery (I don't think he has, he'd have probably said, nothing to hide by saying you have) , I'm not sure you'd be hearing much improvement anyway - except with maybe power. Also, if you have nodules and keep singing the way that got you nodules...they'll come back. Indeed. It's mostly down to his singing technique. He sings completely from the throat which is alright for effect at times but doing full tours for years on end with that singing technique is bad news. It's precisely the reason his voice gets tired quickly and doesn't hold up on tour.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jun 18, 2017 10:19:00 GMT -5
TOP AUDIO/VIDEO QUALITY
RNRS
WOG
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jun 18, 2017 10:19:33 GMT -5
TOP AUDIO/VIDEO QUALITY (ONE LOVE MANCHESTER) RNRS WOG
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Post by august on Jun 19, 2017 8:13:15 GMT -5
People of your opinion usually cherry pick the very worst examples to support that opinion to. One Love was decent, nothing more, nothing less. If he can generally maintain that standard for the tour it will be fine. Exactly, he's not going to be a world beater ever again, but I never thought I'd be able to stomach a live performance by him ever again but he sounds fine, he doesn't sound bad which surprises me so much. For twatinchief august here's some of my earlier comments from me on Liam's voice, you know, one of "you guys", the Liam apologists who selectively pick clips to distort the differential in quality, if you pick me a clip post say 2005 where Liam sounds better than he did in Manchester then please link it, otherwise shutuppayaface: "I got through "Shake my tree, where's the apple for me?" and had to turn it off. It sounds so bad, and not the metaphor, the vocal in that live version is soooo fucking bad. The acoustic one someone posted above is worlds better, he actually sounds like he might be a singer in a rock band rather than a drunk chancer who's meandered his way towards a mic in a pub." "Yep I agree he sang fine on the album, live though the vocal was not good, it just wasn't as shite as it has been, it wasn't anywhere near as good as a professional singer should sound, rock n roll lifestyle or not." "Don't get me wrong, I love Liam, he was always honest and funny and could deliver a phenomenal vocal but unfortunately now only the first two are true." If you genuinely can't hear the significant improvement in his voice august then what can I do? I can't just beam objectivity into your head, you're destined to be a clown, for ever and ever. Amen. EDIT: I have rewritten this post and changed the videos to make the comparisons more relevant. I would say that his ''long-run'' voice is not better or worse in any of these videos below. Maybe I would say that it was more powerful in the earlier examples but also a bit more ''Kermit''-like. This when looking at the general picture and taking into account how many concerts into the tour these performances are, and how many songs they played at each concert and how long breaks he has in between each concert or other type of performance. Of course it is very hard to compare since the songs are different and we have few tv broadcasts. But I just cannot see the huge impovement. I admit that on Live Forever at One Love, he hit the notes better than earlier, and the voice sound cleaner. But I also do not recognize his voice, almost. He sounds like another person. But sure, it's cleaner and less ''Kermit''-like on that one. Maybe drinking Apple Cide Vinager has helped him a bit...
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Jun 19, 2017 14:05:11 GMT -5
I agree he sounds better than the end of all the last three or four tours, and that's waht makes me worried. He sounds better every beggining of tour, the problem is after several gigs his voice gets tired and we can hear it pretty clear.
I'm afraid he sounds good so far because his voice is well rested but once the tour goes for a few months, I'm afraid it will only get worse....
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Post by ricardogce on Jun 19, 2017 14:53:09 GMT -5
I agree he sounds better than the end of all the last three or four tours, and that's waht makes me worried. He sounds better every beggining of tour, the problem is after several gigs his voice gets tired and we can hear it pretty clear. I'm afraid he sounds good so far because his voice is well rested but once the tour goes for a few months, I'm afraid it will only get worse.... For the previous decade, even with a stronger voice at the start of a tour, he sounded nasally. That's largely gone from his current voice. The improvement is very real, and I think he'll hold up better than he has in the past.
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Post by spud on Jun 19, 2017 15:23:24 GMT -5
Think the obvious reason for the voice improvement is his diagnosis of Hashimoto's disease.
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