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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 8, 2024 11:08:57 GMT -5
I get why Alan White is loved here but sometimes I loathe his drumming. Supersonic for example.... he gave it that lighter swing and the song needs that heavy intro. Whenever I listen to alan whites drumming on familiar to millions it feels off on the definitely maybe tracks. Yeah but Familiar to Millions is a very very bad example of Whitey's abilities. He had his wrist issues back then so he would almost only use his ride cymbal, snear and bass drums. For example: But I mean, how he even changed the drum pattern. The supersonic intro is so iconic and I think for a reason. For me this more playful swing feeling with the extra kick kinda tales away that simple power that made tonys version maybe easier, but somehow more powerful. Nothing to do with how hard he hits the drums. |
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Post by The Chief on Feb 8, 2024 12:05:06 GMT -5
Yeah but Familiar to Millions is a very very bad example of Whitey's abilities. He had his wrist issues back then so he would almost only use his ride cymbal, snear and bass drums. For example: But I mean, how he even changed the drum pattern. The supersonic intro is so iconic and I think for a reason. For me this more playful swing feeling with the extra kick kinda tales away that simple power that made tonys version maybe easier, but somehow more powerful. Nothing to do with how hard he hits the drums. Yeah I get what you're saying. Alan was indeed smoother in his playing. Even Steve played a bit more ferociously than Alan |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 18, 2024 5:46:41 GMT -5
Live Forever is not that great. I understand why Noel feels it was a real breakthrough moment in his songwriting, but I just don't think it's particularly great. Fairly average, a bit cheesy. A plodder.
Not sure if it's unpopular but I could've lived without Noel doing any lead vocals on Oasis albums. I'll exclude DLBIA. The rest are dross. There's absolutely no need when you had a way better singer in the band. Just as I always thought it looked daft Liam having to leave about 3 times during a gig so Noel could sing some middle of the road tune.
Talk Tonight is among the worst Oasis songs. God awful.
Definitely Maybe has quite a bit of filler, however it's performed in such a spirit that it doesn't matter too much.
Those Wembley 2000 gigs are crap, it never really seems to get going until near the end. Doesn't help much that when things are finally getting going early on, Noel sings crap Step Out, which nobody in the crowd seems to be in to. The momentum and energy of the gigs are very stop-start.
Champagne Supernova is just OK.
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Post by GlastoEls on Feb 18, 2024 18:04:14 GMT -5
^^
Goodness me!
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Post by hislittleguitar on Feb 18, 2024 21:57:40 GMT -5
Live Forever is not that great. I understand why Noel feels it was a real breakthrough moment in his songwriting, but I just don't think it's particularly great. Fairly average, a bit cheesy. A plodder. Not sure if it's unpopular but I could've lived without Noel doing any lead vocals on Oasis albums. I'll exclude DLBIA. The rest are dross. There's absolutely no need when you had a way better singer in the band. Just as I always thought it looked daft Liam having to leave about 3 times during a gig so Noel could sing some middle of the road tune. Talk Tonight is among the worst Oasis songs. God awful. Definitely Maybe has quite a bit of filler, however it's performed in such a spirit that it doesn't matter too much. Those Wembley 2000 gigs are crap, it never really seems to get going until near the end. Doesn't help much that when things are finally getting going early on, Noel sings crap Step Out, which nobody in the crowd seems to be in to. The momentum and energy of the gigs are very stop-start. Champagne Supernova is just OK. Might need a new thread. Unpopular just isn't quite strong enough to describe this one. Wait I've got it: Sacrilegious Oasis Opinions |
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Post by The Chief on Feb 19, 2024 7:15:10 GMT -5
Live Forever is not that great. I understand why Noel feels it was a real breakthrough moment in his songwriting, but I just don't think it's particularly great. Fairly average, a bit cheesy. A plodder. Not sure if it's unpopular but I could've lived without Noel doing any lead vocals on Oasis albums. I'll exclude DLBIA. The rest are dross. There's absolutely no need when you had a way better singer in the band. Just as I always thought it looked daft Liam having to leave about 3 times during a gig so Noel could sing some middle of the road tune. Talk Tonight is among the worst Oasis songs. God awful. Definitely Maybe has quite a bit of filler, however it's performed in such a spirit that it doesn't matter too much. Those Wembley 2000 gigs are crap, it never really seems to get going until near the end. Doesn't help much that when things are finally getting going early on, Noel sings crap Step Out, which nobody in the crowd seems to be in to. The momentum and energy of the gigs are very stop-start. Champagne Supernova is just OK. Fucking hell... how did you become a fan then? I mean, Noel sang more and more for example so you must have not enjoyed the latter records. I'm like a sneeze away at accusing you of being a troll. But you are officially on trial  |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 19, 2024 7:51:22 GMT -5
Live Forever is not that great. I understand why Noel feels it was a real breakthrough moment in his songwriting, but I just don't think it's particularly great. Fairly average, a bit cheesy. A plodder. Not sure if it's unpopular but I could've lived without Noel doing any lead vocals on Oasis albums. I'll exclude DLBIA. The rest are dross. There's absolutely no need when you had a way better singer in the band. Just as I always thought it looked daft Liam having to leave about 3 times during a gig so Noel could sing some middle of the road tune. Talk Tonight is among the worst Oasis songs. God awful. Definitely Maybe has quite a bit of filler, however it's performed in such a spirit that it doesn't matter too much. Those Wembley 2000 gigs are crap, it never really seems to get going until near the end. Doesn't help much that when things are finally getting going early on, Noel sings crap Step Out, which nobody in the crowd seems to be in to. The momentum and energy of the gigs are very stop-start. Champagne Supernova is just OK. Fucking hell... how did you become a fan then? I mean, Noel sang more and more for example so you must have not enjoyed the latter records. I'm like a sneeze away at accusing you of being a troll. But you are officially on trial I don't like the later records too much. They have a few ok songs here and there. I just don't really enjoy Noel's voice, I can't get through any of his solo albums for that reason. that's probably harsh because he essentially wasn't a lead singer, so maybe I shouldn't hold him to the standard of somebody who originally is a lead singer. I think we can all agree that it's pretty unlikely he was ever going to get famous being the lead singer of the band, so it makes no sense to me that he would start having three songs on an album with him on lead vocals when there's a much better lead singer available. I find it a bit jarring listening to an album with a far inferior and weaker local band level voice sandwiched between a better voice few times per album. As for the other points, I still find Live Forever to not be anything special. It's ok. Liam sounds good on it, otherwise it's a bit of a cheesy number. Same goes with Champagne Supernova. Talk Tonight is a dirge |
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Post by The Chief on Feb 19, 2024 7:55:27 GMT -5
Fucking hell... how did you become a fan then? I mean, Noel sang more and more for example so you must have not enjoyed the latter records. I'm like a sneeze away at accusing you of being a troll. But you are officially on trial I don't like the later records too much. They have a few ok songs here and there. I just don't really enjoy Noel's voice, I can't get through any of his solo albums for that reason. that's probably harsh because he essentially wasn't a lead singer, so maybe I shouldn't hold him to the standard of somebody who originally is a lead singer. I think we can all agree that it's pretty unlikely he was ever going to get famous being the lead singer of the band, so it makes no sense to me that he would start having three songs on an album with him on lead vocals when there's a much better lead singer available. I find it a bit jarring listening to an album with a far inferior and weaker local band level voice sandwiched between a better voice few times per album. As for the other points, I still find Live Forever to not be anything special. It's ok. Liam sounds good on it, otherwise it's a bit of a cheesy number. Same goes with Champagne Supernova. Talk Tonight is a dirge But how did you become a fan? MG and BHN? |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 19, 2024 8:06:26 GMT -5
I don't like the later records too much. They have a few ok songs here and there. I just don't really enjoy Noel's voice, I can't get through any of his solo albums for that reason. that's probably harsh because he essentially wasn't a lead singer, so maybe I shouldn't hold him to the standard of somebody who originally is a lead singer. I think we can all agree that it's pretty unlikely he was ever going to get famous being the lead singer of the band, so it makes no sense to me that he would start having three songs on an album with him on lead vocals when there's a much better lead singer available. I find it a bit jarring listening to an album with a far inferior and weaker local band level voice sandwiched between a better voice few times per album. As for the other points, I still find Live Forever to not be anything special. It's ok. Liam sounds good on it, otherwise it's a bit of a cheesy number. Same goes with Champagne Supernova. Talk Tonight is a dirge But how did you become a fan? MG and BHN? I like Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory, and Be Here Now too, if you take it for what it is. I don't really like Heathen Chemistry onwards, the band lost their identity and didn't progress, it all become a bit like a parody of themselves. As for songs like Live Forever, it's not that I dislike it, I wouldn't skip it, I just don't think it's this great masterpiece of a song that it's supposed to be, just my opinion though. I find the song itself to be just pretty decent but carried by a great vocal delivery. Some Might Say is their greatest moment for me. Yeah it has a few nonsense lyrics but I don't mind that, I'm not listening to Oasis expecting some incredible storytelling anyway. But overall I think that song is their peak. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 19, 2024 17:10:42 GMT -5
Live Forever is not that great. I understand why Noel feels it was a real breakthrough moment in his songwriting, but I just don't think it's particularly great. Fairly average, a bit cheesy. A plodder. Not sure if it's unpopular but I could've lived without Noel doing any lead vocals on Oasis albums. I'll exclude DLBIA. The rest are dross. There's absolutely no need when you had a way better singer in the band. Just as I always thought it looked daft Liam having to leave about 3 times during a gig so Noel could sing some middle of the road tune. Talk Tonight is among the worst Oasis songs. God awful. Definitely Maybe has quite a bit of filler, however it's performed in such a spirit that it doesn't matter too much. Those Wembley 2000 gigs are crap, it never really seems to get going until near the end. Doesn't help much that when things are finally getting going early on, Noel sings crap Step Out, which nobody in the crowd seems to be in to. The momentum and energy of the gigs are very stop-start. Champagne Supernova is just OK. I agree with 3 out of the 6 points. I don’t dare say which 😂 |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Feb 20, 2024 3:15:50 GMT -5
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Post by morning_rain on Feb 20, 2024 6:40:23 GMT -5
I've said this before but someone confessed being theriddler and then edited his post shortly after. It didn't sound like a joke and is a trusted member. |
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 20, 2024 14:09:26 GMT -5
Live Forever is not that great. I understand why Noel feels it was a real breakthrough moment in his songwriting, but I just don't think it's particularly great. Fairly average, a bit cheesy. A plodder. Not sure if it's unpopular but I could've lived without Noel doing any lead vocals on Oasis albums. I'll exclude DLBIA. The rest are dross. There's absolutely no need when you had a way better singer in the band. Just as I always thought it looked daft Liam having to leave about 3 times during a gig so Noel could sing some middle of the road tune. Talk Tonight is among the worst Oasis songs. God awful. Definitely Maybe has quite a bit of filler, however it's performed in such a spirit that it doesn't matter too much. Those Wembley 2000 gigs are crap, it never really seems to get going until near the end. Doesn't help much that when things are finally getting going early on, Noel sings crap Step Out, which nobody in the crowd seems to be in to. The momentum and energy of the gigs are very stop-start. Champagne Supernova is just OK. Christ. |
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Post by niftium on Feb 20, 2024 14:38:12 GMT -5
Live Forever is not that great. I understand why Noel feels it was a real breakthrough moment in his songwriting, but I just don't think it's particularly great. Fairly average, a bit cheesy. A plodder. Not sure if it's unpopular but I could've lived without Noel doing any lead vocals on Oasis albums. I'll exclude DLBIA. The rest are dross. There's absolutely no need when you had a way better singer in the band. Just as I always thought it looked daft Liam having to leave about 3 times during a gig so Noel could sing some middle of the road tune. Talk Tonight is among the worst Oasis songs. God awful. Definitely Maybe has quite a bit of filler, however it's performed in such a spirit that it doesn't matter too much. Those Wembley 2000 gigs are crap, it never really seems to get going until near the end. Doesn't help much that when things are finally getting going early on, Noel sings crap Step Out, which nobody in the crowd seems to be in to. The momentum and energy of the gigs are very stop-start. Champagne Supernova is just OK. Christ.  |
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Post by parkamonkey93 on Feb 21, 2024 1:15:27 GMT -5
I get why Alan White is loved here but sometimes I loathe his drumming. Supersonic for example.... he gave it that lighter swing and the song needs that heavy intro. Whenever I listen to alan whites drumming on familiar to millions it feels off on the definitely maybe tracks. Columbia is another I don't like his drumming on...Tony played it best, Liam's current touring drummer gets it right I'm sure Chris would play it correctly, he was the best of both worlds, Zak never fit Oasis. |
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Post by The Chief on Feb 21, 2024 7:11:39 GMT -5
I get why Alan White is loved here but sometimes I loathe his drumming. Supersonic for example.... he gave it that lighter swing and the song needs that heavy intro. Whenever I listen to alan whites drumming on familiar to millions it feels off on the definitely maybe tracks. Columbia is another I don't like his drumming on...Tony played it best, Liam's current touring drummer gets it right I'm sure Chris would play it correctly, he was the best of both worlds, Zak never fit Oasis. I agree with this. Zak was a more talented Tony in that, like Tony was the best for the DM era, Zak was the best for DBTT and DOYS. But the back catalogue was hit or miss with Zak. He was better than Alan for DM-era songs especially after the way he played them at Knebworth 2004. I can't picture Alan playing the way he played on DBTT and DOYS. But yes, Chris was amazing with every era. He knows how to play the right way for the song. |
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 21, 2024 14:06:14 GMT -5
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 21, 2024 14:37:54 GMT -5
I get why Alan White is loved here but sometimes I loathe his drumming. Supersonic for example.... he gave it that lighter swing and the song needs that heavy intro. Whenever I listen to alan whites drumming on familiar to millions it feels off on the definitely maybe tracks. Columbia is another I don't like his drumming on...Tony played it best, Liam's current touring drummer gets it right I'm sure Chris would play it correctly, he was the best of both worlds, Zak never fit Oasis. I was a huge Zak Starkey fan, but I totally get that Chris was kinda the best, because he really tied all knots together. He could play like every drummer before him in Oasis and had an energy that was brilliant live. |
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Post by nutsngum on Feb 26, 2024 19:23:42 GMT -5
I find Live Forever merely 'good', and not their best song ever.
I actually think the recorded version is a bit too fast and harsh on the ears with all the trebly guitar on it. But I suppose that's what made early Oasis.
I'm not a fan of a lot of the later stuff but I do like 'Keep the Dream Alive', which a lot seem to hate. (No, I don't think it's better than Live Forever).
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Post by glider on Feb 26, 2024 19:41:33 GMT -5
Talk Tonight is among the worst Oasis songs. God awful. This is the one I won't stand for. One of the best songs ever! |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 26, 2024 20:22:23 GMT -5
Talk Tonight is among the worst Oasis songs. God awful. This is the one I won't stand for. One of the best songs ever! It's really not It's dreadful and cringeworthy |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 26, 2024 20:27:25 GMT -5
Columbia is another I don't like his drumming on...Tony played it best, Liam's current touring drummer gets it right I'm sure Chris would play it correctly, he was the best of both worlds, Zak never fit Oasis. I was a huge Zak Starkey fan, but I totally get that Chris was kinda the best, because he really tied all knots together. He could play like every drummer before him in Oasis and had an energy that was brilliant live. Yeah To be fair, sharrock spent quite a few years as a session drummer where you have to be shit hot and be able to nail any style you're required to play. That shows in his playing. Look at his session work, he played with everyone from Robbie Williams to Sinead O'Connor to Mick Jagger to Tom Jones... You don't get handpicked for those jobs unless you're seriously good |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 27, 2024 9:34:10 GMT -5
I really don't like "Don't go away". It so filled to the brim with emotions that its like the equivalent of a parent that won't shut up about their kid.
Its aounds like you tell someone to make a parody of a heartfelt song to me.
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