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Post by Sternumman on Dec 23, 2015 16:52:17 GMT -5
That film broke my spirit with Star Wars for a long long time. Long time. Some of the worst acting, CGI and love story I've ever seen. It's a chore to try and watch it. I'm proud to say I've been Attack of The Clones free since 2002. So you didn't find the opening sequence, Obi-Wan and Anakin in pursuit of the assassin on Coruscant to be entertaining at all? (One of my favorite sequences from the saga) Or the mysterious bounty hunter arc? The clones? Obi-Wan's pursuit of Jango Fett? Count Dooku and his connection with Sidious, Sifo-Dyas and the clone army? The Battle of Geonosis? That's all stand out material to me. That opening sequence is ridiculous. The fifth element did it better. You have two bounty hunters but instead of shooting her they use worms. Anakin jumping out of the speeder and landing on hers is one of the most assanine things I've ever seen. Then his light saber magically falling to obi won. None of that action looked real. I still don't know who or what sifo diyas is. And why is the republic using the clones anyway? They had no idea about them and decide hey let's use this army that we know nothing about. Makes absolutely no sense. And the finale with the conveyer belt that looks like a bad video game and hundreds of Jedi that are never in danger. Zzzzz
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 23, 2015 16:55:51 GMT -5
Few people have ever said a bad word about Maul. He was cool and different. Plus wasn't CGI which was/is an emerging trend. He was used everywhere for promotion. Nobody thought he'd be a one and done character. We were robbed. Why not have him make it out of Episode I and give something for Obi-Wan to chase down in the future movies? Missed opportunity. He was a good villain and like you say was everywhere!! double ender and all that.. he was just a marketing tool vs than an arching character which was huge mistake I don't think he was a good villain. He looked cool and the light saber fight is interesting but we know nothing about him. He has about four lines in the entire movie. He's just there to kill quigon who is a useless character.
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 23, 2015 16:58:51 GMT -5
He was a good villain and like you say was everywhere!! double ender and all that.. he was just a marketing tool vs than an arching character which was huge mistake I don't think he was a good villain. He looked cool and the light saber fight is interesting but we know nothing about him. He has about four lines in the entire movie. He's just there to kill quigon who is a useless character. yeah i get that in the way it all went but if they utilised him over the 3 story arc i think he would've been (which i meant) .. but ultimately you are right and he was just a marketing tool to look cool
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 17:05:54 GMT -5
He was a good villain and like you say was everywhere!! double ender and all that.. he was just a marketing tool vs than an arching character which was huge mistake I don't think he was a good villain. He looked cool and the light saber fight is interesting but we know nothing about him. He has about four lines in the entire movie. He's just there to kill quigon who is a useless character. thats kind of what I mean though by wasted potential, he had the look but thats where it ended, had they given him more dialogue and kept him across the 3 movies, he couldve been solid, wouldve allowed us to find out more about him etc, your right though he was only there to kill qui gon though I dont see why they had to kill maul off too, and like I said had they kept him in it likely wouldve meant too much focus on obi wan and not enough on the vadar back story, problem is that was so weak that it wasnt enough on its own. the prequels had such a lack of direction due to the having too many temporary fairly dull villains across the last 2 movies, I just think maul wouldve been much better on his own than dooku and general grievious etc, least maul had the look already going for him, everyone else was just boring even if it was just for more maul fighting scenes between him and obi wan.
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 23, 2015 17:09:41 GMT -5
I don't think he was a good villain. He looked cool and the light saber fight is interesting but we know nothing about him. He has about four lines in the entire movie. He's just there to kill quigon who is a useless character. thats kind of what I mean though by wasted potential, he had the look but thats where it ended, had they given him more dialogue and kept him across the 3 movies, he couldve been solid, wouldve allowed us to find out more about him etc, your right though he was only there to kill qui gon and like I said had they kept him in it likely wouldve meant too much focus on obi wan and not enough on the vadar back story, problem is that was so weak that it wasnt enough on its own. the prequels had such a lack of direction due to the having too many temporary fairly dull villains across the last 2 movies, I just think maul wouldve been much better on his own than dooku and general grievious etc, least maul had the look already going for him, everyone else was just boring even if it was just for more maul fighting scenes between him and obi wan. i think all the characters under utilised in the force awakens will arch over the new trilogy so when we rewatch the 3 films in 5 years times those characters will all make sence .. which is were they went wrong with darth maul
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 23, 2015 17:27:22 GMT -5
That film broke my spirit with Star Wars for a long long time. Long time. Some of the worst acting, CGI and love story I've ever seen. It's a chore to try and watch it. I'm proud to say I've been Attack of The Clones free since 2002. So you didn't find the opening sequence, Obi-Wan and Anakin in pursuit of the assassin on Coruscant to be entertaining at all? (One of my favorite sequences from the saga) Or the mysterious bounty hunter arc? The clones? Obi-Wan's pursuit of Jango Fett? Count Dooku and his connection with Sidious, Sifo-Dyas and the clone army? The Battle of Geonosis? That's all stand out material to me. I never understood why Jango Fett, the most famous bounty hunter in the galaxy had to HIRE another bounty hunter to kill Padme. That doesn't work for me at all. Seems like poor planning. Then Jango could have killed BOTH Anakin and Obi-Wan when his minion was finally caught by them but instead he DECIDES to kill her and not them. Weird. I hated the entire clone army idea. The BEST thing about Attack of The Clones was Obi-Wan vs Jango in the rain. Cool sequence. However, I never wanted to see a child Boba Fett (Didn't Lucas learn his lesson with a child Anakin?!?!?!). Plus Boba was just some stupid clone. They robbed him of so much mystery and potential future storylines. We shall see how that Han Solo spinoff uses him if Boba appears. Dooku seemed underused in Clones as well. Sifo-Dyas was more poor screenwriting. He's named dropped once and we get ZERO backstory on him. Like none whatsoever. Very confusing at the time. Was it an alias of the Emperor or Dooku? No, it was just some other Jedi we never met or never cared about and never learned how he died in the first place. Weird shit. The Battle of Genesis was one of the biggest sins of the film. Way too much CGI. Way too much Jedi wielding lightsabers. Didn't like it. Less is more.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 23, 2015 17:29:12 GMT -5
He was a good villain and like you say was everywhere!! double ender and all that.. he was just a marketing tool vs than an arching character which was huge mistake I don't think he was a good villain. He looked cool and the light saber fight is interesting but we know nothing about him. He has about four lines in the entire movie. He's just there to kill quigon who is a useless character. I'm pretty sure in the first versions of the script Qui-Gon doesn't even exist. Those were all Obi-Wan scenes and parts. Qui-Gone emerged later and the characters are split into two people. That's why i always thought Obi-Wan had little role in Menace. Kinda like Poe in Awakens. So underused.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 23, 2015 17:29:51 GMT -5
So you didn't find the opening sequence, Obi-Wan and Anakin in pursuit of the assassin on Coruscant to be entertaining at all? (One of my favorite sequences from the saga) Or the mysterious bounty hunter arc? The clones? Obi-Wan's pursuit of Jango Fett? Count Dooku and his connection with Sidious, Sifo-Dyas and the clone army? The Battle of Geonosis? That's all stand out material to me. That opening sequence is ridiculous. The fifth element did it better. You have two bounty hunters but instead of shooting her they use worms. Anakin jumping out of the speeder and landing on hers is one of the most assanine things I've ever seen. Then his light saber magically falling to obi won. None of that action looked real. I still don't know who or what sifo diyas is. And why is the republic using the clones anyway? They had no idea about them and decide hey let's use this army that we know nothing about. Makes absolutely no sense. And the finale with the conveyer belt that looks like a bad video game and hundreds of Jedi that are never in danger. Zzzzz I like the The Fifth Element too. I mean, I think the idea behind the worms was to keep up appearances. Sure, he could have blasted her through the window or got the grunt assassin to do the same. But that defeats the point. Anakin jumping out was asinine? How so? I really liked the arrogance of the stunt. He's just that confident in his abilities. Wasn't Obi-Wan tailing behind when Anakin lost his saber? Isn't he also a force user with quick reflexes? Looked "real" enough to me. They spelled out who Sifo-Dyas was. He's the guy that put the order in and invested money to create the clone army for the republic. Obi-Wan reported all of this. That's why they're using the clones. Also, if you paid attention to detail, you would know that Palpatine had Syfo-Dyas murdered. Sidious recruited Darth Tyrannus (Dooku), who hired the bounty hunter Jango Fett, who hired the assassin to take out Padme. Palptine specifically put two jedi knights on watch for Padme. This was no accident. He knew how capable they were. Palpatine wanted the Jedi to find the clones. That's why Palpatine had Syfo-Dyas killed, so he could bend the clones to his command. But first, he would use the republic to take out his enemies (the trade federation/separatists), after which, he turned the clones on the republic itself. I did not list the conveyor belt sequence, for good reason, I don't like it. Lots of Jedi die in the battle. You see at least several gun downed, possibly more. Do you need to see every last one that is killed in an overtly obvious way?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 23, 2015 17:33:47 GMT -5
thats kind of what I mean though by wasted potential, he had the look but thats where it ended, had they given him more dialogue and kept him across the 3 movies, he couldve been solid, wouldve allowed us to find out more about him etc, your right though he was only there to kill qui gon and like I said had they kept him in it likely wouldve meant too much focus on obi wan and not enough on the vadar back story, problem is that was so weak that it wasnt enough on its own. the prequels had such a lack of direction due to the having too many temporary fairly dull villains across the last 2 movies, I just think maul wouldve been much better on his own than dooku and general grievious etc, least maul had the look already going for him, everyone else was just boring even if it was just for more maul fighting scenes between him and obi wan. i think all the characters under utilised in the force awakens will arch over the new trilogy so when we rewatch the 3 films in 5 years times those characters will all make sence .. which is were they went wrong with darth maul I hope you are right. Currently Poe had under 5 minutes with Finn and none with Rey.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 17:33:53 GMT -5
the lightsaber fight scenes were probably the best thing about the prequels, they were all fairly decent, think even the final fight between obi wan and anakin was done pretty well with the music and general atmosphere of it, genuinely got involved in that whole fight, just wouldve been nice if they couldve come up with something better for vadar having to wear the suit other than simply not being able to jump high enough.
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 23, 2015 17:35:29 GMT -5
I don't think he was a good villain. He looked cool and the light saber fight is interesting but we know nothing about him. He has about four lines in the entire movie. He's just there to kill quigon who is a useless character. I'm pretty sure in the first versions of the script Qui-Gon doesn't even exist. Those were all Obi-Wan scenes and parts. Qui-Gone emerged later and the characters are split into two people. That's why i always thought Obi-Wan had little role in Menace. Kinda like Poe in Awakens. So underused. did you see the interview with Poe and he was originally gonna get killed off in the force awakens? i think is why he's underused to use him much more in the next films. maybe to be to be established in 8 (instead of 7) and killed in 9?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 17:37:08 GMT -5
I don't think he was a good villain. He looked cool and the light saber fight is interesting but we know nothing about him. He has about four lines in the entire movie. He's just there to kill quigon who is a useless character. I'm pretty sure in the first versions of the script Qui-Gon doesn't even exist. Those were all Obi-Wan scenes and parts. Qui-Gone emerged later and the characters are split into two people. That's why i always thought Obi-Wan had little role in Menace. Kinda like Poe in Awakens. So underused. thinking about it I dont even know why they had qui gon, obi wan couldve simply taken anakin on as an apprentice and it couldve all gone the same way plus it wouldve made more sense that obi wan and vadar were "good friends", obi wan in the movie only pisses about with anakin because qui gon wanted to.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 23, 2015 17:37:18 GMT -5
the lightsaber fight scenes were probably the best thing about the prequels, they were all fairly decent, think even the final fight between obi wan and anakin was done pretty well with the music and general atmosphere of it, genuinely got involved in that whole fight, just wouldve been nice if they couldve come up with something better for vadar having to wear the suit other than simply not being able to jump high enough. I always thought the Anakin vs Obi-Wan fight on Mustafar was just Expanded Universe fiction. Was very surprised Lucas decided to use it in Revenge of The Sith. Why not come up with your own material on how events went down? Not popular EU material between 1983 and 2005.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 23, 2015 17:39:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure in the first versions of the script Qui-Gon doesn't even exist. Those were all Obi-Wan scenes and parts. Qui-Gone emerged later and the characters are split into two people. That's why i always thought Obi-Wan had little role in Menace. Kinda like Poe in Awakens. So underused. did you see the interview with Poe and he was originally gonna get killed off in the force awakens? i think is why he's underused to use him much more in the next films. maybe to be to be established in 8 (instead of 7) and killed in 9? No I guess I didn't see that. That would suck. He seemed like an interesting character and I love Oscar as an actor. I can kinda see the dilemma. We have 3 main characters. One is a future Jedi. One an ace pilot. The other an ex-stormtrooper with no piloting or force skills. How are the last 2 gonna tie in?
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 23, 2015 17:43:48 GMT -5
did you see the interview with Poe and he was originally gonna get killed off in the force awakens? i think is why he's underused to use him much more in the next films. maybe to be to be established in 8 (instead of 7) and killed in 9? No I guess I didn't see that. That would suck. He seemed like an interesting character and I love Oscar as an actor. I can kinda see the dilemma. We have 3 main characters. One is a future Jedi. One an ace pilot. The other an ex-stormtrooper with no piloting or force skills. How are the last 2 gonna tie in? www.gq.com/story/star-wars-the-force-awakens-character-deaththe interview at least.. idk just think originally he'd been a big part of the force awakens to make the death hit home more.. JJ did the same with lost originally Jack was gonna die but decided to keep him. think same with Poe under under utilised as gonna use him more in the next too
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 23, 2015 17:47:00 GMT -5
So you didn't find the opening sequence, Obi-Wan and Anakin in pursuit of the assassin on Coruscant to be entertaining at all? (One of my favorite sequences from the saga) Or the mysterious bounty hunter arc? The clones? Obi-Wan's pursuit of Jango Fett? Count Dooku and his connection with Sidious, Sifo-Dyas and the clone army? The Battle of Geonosis? That's all stand out material to me. I never understood why Jango Fett, the most famous bounty hunter in the galaxy had to HIRE another bounty hunter to kill Padme. That doesn't work for me at all. Seems like poor planning. Then Jango could have killed BOTH Anakin and Obi-Wan when his minion was finally caught by them but instead he DECIDES to kill her and not them. Weird. I hated the entire clone army idea. The BEST thing about Attack of The Clones was Obi-Wan vs Jango in the rain. Cool sequence. However, I never wanted to see a child Boba Fett (Didn't Lucas learn his lesson with a child Anakin?!?!?!). Plus Boba was just some stupid clone. They robbed him of so much mystery and potential future storylines. We shall see how that Han Solo spinoff uses him if Boba appears. Dooku seemed underused in Clones as well. Sifo-Dyas was more poor screenwriting. He's named dropped once and we get ZERO backstory on him. Like one whatsoever. Very confusing at the time. Was it an alias of the Emperor or Dooku? No, it was just some other Jedi we never met or never cared about and never learned how he died in the first place. Weird shit. The Battle of Genesis was one of the biggest sins of the film. Why too much CGI. Way too much Jedi wielding lightsabers. Didn't like it. Less is more. The intent was to never kill Padme. Padme was still a useful political ally for Palpatine. But he needed the Jedi to find the clone army. Whether Jango was ordered to hire another or not is entirely up for question. There's no clear answer. My assumption: He was ordered to hire a less capable assassin, one that would not succeed their mission, leading them to Jango. Jango was probably in the dark about why. Killing the two Jedi did not work in Palpatines favor and so he would have been informed not to do it. As far as killing the assassin, that's Jango covering his tracks. I mean, I'm not sure what to hate about the clone army. But that's your preference I guess. I wasn't personally bothered by Boba being a clone. I thought it was interesting myself. Dooku was underused. It's a crime. Syfo-Dyas, doesn't have much backstory on him. However, the important details are in the plot. Especially in what Dooku says to Obi-Wan on Geonosis. All of the important backstory can be inferred from several different sources in the movie. I did not understand it after my first viewing. It didn't click with me until after multiple viewings about how well Palpatine manipulated everyone. In fact, I don't think it all came together until seeing the big picture once Revenge of The Sith came out. I would agree that it should have been more obvious in the plot, but maybe it was Lucas's intent to want people to pick little things up as the journey went on, piecing things together like a detective. I don't know. Either way, after I realized the importance of the sparse tidbits of information dropped in the film, I appreciate the scenes so much more. I would have included flashbacks of some sort to Sifo-Dyas as an actual character we could relate with and understand. I don't mind the use of CGI and don't mind that the Jedi fought a battle, which is why I enjoyed that sequence, I guess.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 23, 2015 17:57:31 GMT -5
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 23, 2015 18:00:08 GMT -5
lots of whats if in the world and thankfully this mostly ended as right choices
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Post by jordan71421 on Dec 23, 2015 18:34:01 GMT -5
The good about TFA: - The Star Wars "feel" to the movie. We're back in the OT universe. - I thought it was the funniest movie of the bunch so far. So many funny lines and everybody had a personality. - Kylo is a great villian, and he's especially terrifying with his helmet. Tbh his mask really freaks me out, the opening scene with him made me feel so intimidated. He felt sort of like a horror movie villain. The way he turned to Finn at the beginning gave me chills. - It was great to see Han one more time, especially being useful unlike him in ROTJ. - Finn, Poe, and Rey are great follow up characters to the OT.
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 24, 2015 3:11:41 GMT -5
They spelled out who Sifo-Dyas was. He's the guy that put the order in and invested money to create the clone army for the republic. Obi-Wan reported all of this. That's why they're using the clones. Also, if you paid attention to detail, you would know that Palpatine had Syfo-Dyas murdered. Sidious recruited Darth Tyrannus (Dooku), who hired the bounty hunter Jango Fett, who hired the assassin to take out Padme. Palptine specifically put two jedi knights on watch for Padme. This was no accident. He knew how capable they were. Palpatine wanted the Jedi to find the clones. That's why Palpatine had Syfo-Dyas killed, so he could bend the clones to his command. But first, he would use the republic to take out his enemies (the trade federation/separatists), after which, he turned the clones on the republic itself. I Lots of Jedi die in the battle. You see at least several gun downed, possibly more. Do you need to see every last one that is killed in an overtly obvious way? Yes the aliens say he ordered it but the other Jedi knew nothing about it. Yoda says their use of the force is blinded because they didn't know about the army and Mace wants to tell the senate that their use of the force is diminished. Why would they use this army they knew nothing about and are questioning? I don't recall any of the palpatine having syfo Dias murdered talk. The whole movies on YouTube do you mind showing me where that is. I honestly didn't remember any Jedi being killed except one by Jango. I just rewatched it on YouTube and that fights even worse than I remember.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 3:29:05 GMT -5
Yea this movie , much like the whole franchise since Jedi. Just sux and because it's your generation your trying to make it cool. The " cool " think about "Star Wars " There was no build up or hype , it was cord of mouth , something this generation will never understand
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 3:39:15 GMT -5
Here is the funny thing ........I can't name one character not named Luke , Han , Leila , r2 , c3 , Chewie and darth .......everything that happened post Jedi. Simply Hollywood bleeding you dry sorta like godfather 3 they tease you with something you fondly remember ...but it pales , you can't go back.
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Dec 24, 2015 5:40:23 GMT -5
Adam Driver would have been a great Anakin Skywalker. He plays the conflicted villian role perfectly.
I think I enjoyed the film more the 2nd time. Film of the year for me.
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Post by Sternumman on Dec 24, 2015 7:07:18 GMT -5
Here is the funny thing ........I can't name one character not named Luke , Han , Leila , r2 , c3 , Chewie and darth .......everything that happened post Jedi. Simply Hollywood bleeding you dry sorta like godfather 3 they tease you with something you fondly remember ...but it pales , you can't go back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 8:55:00 GMT -5
I didn't even hear the name Kylo Ren throughout the whole film and had to look up who he was when I got home.
Swear films are getting harder to hear, they need subtitles!! Actors who mumble don't help...
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