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Post by spud on Jul 18, 2016 13:30:13 GMT -5
If this is real, release it, if its fanmade finish it. Definitely not fan-made. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 18, 2016 13:33:48 GMT -5
If this is real, release it, if its fanmade finish it. Definitely not fan-made. Sounds like Liam's Be Here Now version vocal laid down over a different backing track to me, so the alleged date is irrelevant- also IIRC Liam wasn't involved in demoing any of that album, but rather like the rest of the band arrived at Abbey Road in September 1996 with a CD of Noel sung demos to initially work from. |
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Post by spud on Jul 18, 2016 13:36:05 GMT -5
Sounds like Liam's Be Here Now version vocal laid down over a different backing track to me- also IIRC Liam wasn't involved in demoing any of that album, but rather like the rest of the band arrived at Abbey Road in September 1996 with a CD of Noel sung demos to initially work from. It's the same backing track as is on the studio version minus the lead guitar. If it's fan-made then someone out there has the multi-tracks. I doubt that, though, as the same uploader has what sounds like a demo version of All Around The World with Noel on vocals. Lucky bastard. |
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Post by Jim on Jul 18, 2016 13:55:39 GMT -5
It's not fan made.
There are a couple of people, I know of only 2 (not personally), during the complete time I've been involved in the online Oasis community, who have rough mixes of all the album tracks and a couple of b-sides.
The Don't Go Away clip above and All Around The World with Noel on vocals were sent to Mr Monobrow a few years ago now. Allegedly more was to be forwarded on to him but it never happened.
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Post by coolprophet on Jul 18, 2016 13:57:38 GMT -5
They'll put it out in fall as I was told when I talked to some folks of Noel's crew these days during his current run of Euro gigs. It's been a month Mr Prophet. Any more news? There ya go pal! As I told you... never said any bullshit  heard some other news regarding Liam and his plans recently, but not talking about at the moment as it's sounds a bit weird to believe it. Maybe in another few weeks or so. |
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Jul 18, 2016 13:58:07 GMT -5
I am hoping for a version of DYKWIM where they haven't stripped back all those additional layers of guitars. The album version is just too naked for my liking
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 14:24:03 GMT -5
this is Noely G managements way of getting a payrise, it wont release they know Noel cant handle that prospect. clever buggers.  |
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Post by mossy on Jul 18, 2016 15:02:58 GMT -5
It's been a month Mr Prophet. Any more news? There ya go pal! As I told you... never said any bullshit heard some other news regarding Liam and his plans recently, but not talking about at the moment as it's sounds a bit weird to believe it. Maybe in another few weeks or so. Mic drop...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 15:09:49 GMT -5
this is Noely G managements way of getting a payrise, it wont release they know Noel cant handle that prospect. clever buggers. That gif from the Acquiesce live video. There are so many clips in that video so it looks like there is a sort of documentary about that tour in the archives. I hope that will see the light one day. |
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Post by mossy on Jul 18, 2016 15:32:56 GMT -5
What can we expect from the Be Here Now reissue? That's the one I'm looking forward to the most that's for sure. Not long til we find out now silverhammer! |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 18, 2016 15:37:34 GMT -5
this is Noely G managements way of getting a payrise, it wont release they know Noel cant handle that prospect. clever buggers. That gif from the Acquiesce live video. There are so many clips in that video so it looks like there is a sort of documentary about that tour in the archives. I hope that will see the light one day. Mentioned it before but I know Tim Abbott (former Creation Records MD and marketing man for Definitely Maybe) shot a fair amount of footage on a video camera between 1994-96 before his fallout with the band, Ignition and Sony. His version of events was that he was sent a confidentiality agreement as an employee, which he binned on the grounds that he wasn't employed by the band or any other their associated companies/partners at that point so he was asked to return the camera to Sony and hand the footage over to Ignition as a whole, of which he did neither. I would very much like to know just how much he actually filmed during those early days and how much still exists, given that the VHS of The Stone Roses full Spike Island set has allegedly gone up in flames in a house fire. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 15:41:08 GMT -5
That gif from the Acquiesce live video. There are so many clips in that video so it looks like there is a sort of documentary about that tour in the archives. I hope that will see the light one day. Mentioned it before but I know Tim Abbott (former Creation Records MD and marketing man for Definitely Maybe) shot a fair amount of footage on a video camera between 1994-96 before his fallout with the band, Ignition and Sony. His version of events was that he was sent a confidentiality agreement as an employee, which he binned on the grounds that he wasn't employed by the band or any other their associated companies/partners at that point so he was asked to return the camera to Sony and hand the footage over to Ignition as a whole, of which he did neither. I would very much like to know just how much he actually filmed during those early days and how much still exists, given that the VHS of The Stone Roses full Spike Island set has allegedly gone up in flames in a house fire. So there isn't any footage of the 'Summer Of Love'? That's sad. We still have the movie 'Spike Island' though |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 18, 2016 15:46:05 GMT -5
Mentioned it before but I know Tim Abbott (former Creation Records MD and marketing man for Definitely Maybe) shot a fair amount of footage on a video camera between 1994-96 before his fallout with the band, Ignition and Sony. His version of events was that he was sent a confidentiality agreement as an employee, which he binned on the grounds that he wasn't employed by the band or any other their associated companies/partners at that point so he was asked to return the camera to Sony and hand the footage over to Ignition as a whole, of which he did neither. I would very much like to know just how much he actually filmed during those early days and how much still exists, given that the VHS of The Stone Roses full Spike Island set has allegedly gone up in flames in a house fire. So there isn't any footage of the 'Summer Of Love'? That's sad. We still have the movie 'Spike Island' though There's this which you have probably seen but it was supposed to be excerpted from a full length recording that went up in flames. It says 'fan footage' although to me it appears too well shot for a 1990 video recording made by a fan with a bulky camcorder.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 16:32:17 GMT -5
Question: Speaking of the late ’90s, you’ve always been critical of Oasis’s third album, Be Here Now, which I still love. You called it “fucking shit” a few times. Has your opinion changed any? Answer: Well, there’s a new reissue of it coming out next year, and the people at the record label were like, “Do you want to do something with it?” And I said, “Not really.” But they reminded me of an interview where I’d said that I’d love to edit it down, because I thought the songs were too long, and they asked if I’d be interested in that. I thought, that sounds interesting. So I went to the studio and it dawned on me after an hour that it’s the chaos and the length of the songs that makes the album what it is. I started to edit one song, and I thought, what’s the point? I like it the way it is. It’s not my favorite record, but listening to it brought me back to the best of times — that tour was the greatest fucking party. And that’s somebody’s favorite record, and for that I’m proud. I could have butchered it, but I’ll fucking leave it as it is. It’s all right. amen to this. i said it before and i'll say it again--- if any of these songs are edited down or altered in any way, i will be having no part of this project nor will i be buying it. leave the album as it is, give us a full, remastered sound with some nice low end and plenty of peaks and valleys, and give the fans all the demos and live material we want and deserve. put some real care and effort into this and do it right, instead of making it another blatant money grab. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 16:39:37 GMT -5
So I went to the studio and it dawned on me after an hour that it’s the chaos and the length of the songs that makes the album what it is. I started to edit one song, and I thought, what’s the point? I like it the way it is. It’s not my favorite record, but listening to it brought me back to the best of times — that tour was the greatest fucking party. And that’s somebody’s favorite record, and for that I’m proud. I could have butchered it, but I’ll fucking leave it as it is. It’s all right.
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So I went to the studio and it dawned on me after an hour that I couldnt be bothered and its the easy money that makes the reissue what it is. I started to edit one song, and I thought, what’s the point? is it going to gain me anymore money? no. It’s not my favorite record, I hate it but listening to it brought me back to the best of times — that tour was the greatest fucking party, yeah yeah yeah. And that’s everyones favorite record, and for that its a good enough excuse not to bother. I could have taken the time to make something interesting, but I’ll fucking leave it as it is. Its easy money for the oldest rope going.
BTW I love BHN as it is, just would be interesting to hear it in another form.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 19, 2016 8:35:42 GMT -5
So I went to the studio and it dawned on me after an hour that it’s the chaos and the length of the songs that makes the album what it is. I started to edit one song, and I thought, what’s the point? I like it the way it is. It’s not my favorite record, but listening to it brought me back to the best of times — that tour was the greatest fucking party. And that’s somebody’s favorite record, and for that I’m proud. I could have butchered it, but I’ll fucking leave it as it is. It’s all right. ----------------------------------------------------------------------translated-------------------------------------------------------- So I went to the studio and it dawned on me after an hour that I couldnt be bothered and its the easy money that makes the reissue what it is. I started to edit one song, and I thought, what’s the point? is it going to gain me anymore money? no. It’s not my favorite record, I hate it but listening to it brought me back to the best of times — that tour was the greatest fucking party, yeah yeah yeah. And that’s everyones favorite record, and for that its a good enough excuse not to bother. I could have taken the time to make something interesting, but I’ll fucking leave it as it is. Its easy money for the oldest rope going. BTW I love BHN as it is, just would be interesting to hear it in another form. Let It be Naked was released what, 30 years after the original, so let's give it another ten years and we'll get our BHN Naked or BHN Redux. We know it will happen, just have to wait a bit more, they won't give it all away at once, they're gonna milk those first three albums at every meaningful anniversary. 20 years: simple reissue "remastered" 25 years : reissue with unheard songs 30 years: BHN naked 35 years: anthology with all records combined |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 8:48:47 GMT -5
^ I don't see it happening that way. Noel doesn't care, so don't expect anything.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 19, 2016 9:13:36 GMT -5
^ I don't see it happening that way. Noel doesn't care, so don't expect anything. Doesn't care now, but things change fast in the rock star world and Noel's not the kind of guy who never changes his mind. When he'll have to support all his children crazy lives, you'll get your reissues. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Jul 19, 2016 9:34:44 GMT -5
^ I don't see it happening that way. Noel doesn't care, so don't expect anything. Doesn't care now, but things change fast in the rock star world and Noel's not the kind of guy who never changes his mind. When he'll have to support all his children crazy lives, you'll get your reissues. Do reissues generally make much money? I think an oasis reunion is more likely going to fund his children's crazy lives. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 9:39:54 GMT -5
Doesn't care now, but things change fast in the rock star world and Noel's not the kind of guy who never changes his mind. When he'll have to support all his children crazy lives, you'll get your reissues. Do reissues generally make much money? I think an oasis reunion is more likely going to fund his children's crazy lives. I was going to say the same thing. Re-issues are not money makers, because artists get next to nothing from album sales and a re-issue won't sell that well anyhow. If he needed money bad enough, then a tour would be the ticket. |
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Post by andymorris on Jul 19, 2016 9:58:20 GMT -5
I think Noel owns the right of Oasis records now, he signed a publishing deal with Sony years ago. All reissues are under Big Brother Recordings Ltd.
So yeah, he makes money out of it. He wouldn't be involved in it otherwise, or just to please the fans, let's be realistic. It doesn't cost much to make so the profit margin is probably interesting.
Which doesn't rule out a reunion to back up the reissues or a new album.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 10:17:22 GMT -5
I think Noel owns the right of Oasis records now, he signed a publishing deal with Sony years ago. All reissues are under Big Brother Recordings Ltd. So yeah, he makes money out of it. He wouldn't be involved in it otherwise, or just to please the fans, let's be realistic. It doesn't cost much to make so the profit margin is probably interesting. Which doesn't rule out a reunion to back up the reissues or a new album. I'll just leave this good article here... www.techdirt.com/articles/20100712/23482610186.shtmlIn short... if Oasis could sell 250,000 copies of Be Here Now (will never happen with a reissue) at an average price of $15.00 per record... then the average musicians cut is all of $87,750. There is a reason why bands, even the most successful ones, tour relentlessly. I believe guigsysEstring works on the inside as well, and can corroborate the article above. |
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Post by andymorris on Jul 19, 2016 11:07:03 GMT -5
I think Noel owns the right of Oasis records now, he signed a publishing deal with Sony years ago. All reissues are under Big Brother Recordings Ltd. So yeah, he makes money out of it. He wouldn't be involved in it otherwise, or just to please the fans, let's be realistic. It doesn't cost much to make so the profit margin is probably interesting. Which doesn't rule out a reunion to back up the reissues or a new album. I'll just leave this good article here... www.techdirt.com/articles/20100712/23482610186.shtmlIn short... if Oasis could sell 250,000 copies of Be Here Now (will never happen with a reissue) at an average price of $15.00 per record... then the average musicians cut is all of $87,750. There is a reason why bands, even the most successful ones, tour relentlessly. I believe guigsysEstring works on the inside as well, and can corroborate the article above. I know that article, but it applies only to new release where there's recording fees, video, loads of promotion... There is little to no cost in a reissue bar a little promo and pressing and of course the remastering, if Noel select the songs himself. You seem to be missing a point here: Noel owns the rights, that means he's probably (he is, in fact) the artist AND the record label, so looking at that article chart he gets 76% of each sale (Maybe less, but maybe more). With your record sale of 250.000 that's 2,223,000£. Cut it to a 25,000 (it was probably more for DM and MG) and you get still 222,300£. I dont know the tax in the UK, let's say 50%, theres still 111,150£ for Noel to share between him and the rest of the band. Bone and Guigsy probably get 20k each, Liam 20k and the rest is for Noel and his management... more or less 50,000£. Not too bad for probably a few days of work, since those releases dont dig much into the back catalogue. Even if those numbers are too high or not right (i'm no expert), Noel's got a label to run, employees to pay so those reissues probably help to pay for salaries and his next tour / album. Once again, i dont know the details of his deal with Sony, some people on here could shed some lights, but if he does all that there is definitely money to be made. I mean, come on... |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 19, 2016 12:29:31 GMT -5
If oasisdna were smart he should monetize his Oasis collection. He should create an Oasis museum where he lives in Texas. You fly in, stay at a local motel, take a shuttle to his house, view all his amazing memorabilia and at the very very end of the tour, you get a listening party of the Mustique tapes. Charge whatever you like. I bet many would go.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 12:34:45 GMT -5
If oasisdna were smart he should monetize his Oasis collection. He should create an Oasis museum where he lives in Texas. You fly in, stay at a local motel, take a shuttle to his house, view all his amazing memorabilia and at the very very end of the tour, you get a listening party of the Mystique tapes. Charge whatever you like. I bet many would go. I'd go... not that it would be much of a hassle for me. |
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heard some other news regarding Liam and his plans recently, but not talking about at the moment as it's sounds a bit weird to believe it. Maybe in another few weeks or so.
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