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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 24, 2011 13:36:47 GMT -5
I'd seen that picture before after V, maybe not publicised but it was online at the time, its irrelevant really though.
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Post by Guigs on Aug 24, 2011 14:06:16 GMT -5
Fair play Liam, all it was in honesty was a gentle nudge to Noel that Liam won't except him going around saying anything he wants with impunity. They are not in a band together any more. Liam no longer has to put up with it. Gordon Smart is a vile sychophant. I agree and expect Noel to use his words more wisely, especially when discussing the band. I'm sure he also got a shock when Andy spoke up because he wasn't expecting that either. Just because Andy is quiet doesn't mean Noel should be a bully towards him. Noel should also have not expected Andy, Gem and the rest to be his personal bodyguards in his family fued. I also laugh at these Noel fanboys and their view that Noel is infallible. Noel basically admitted that Liam did in fact have a doctor's note rendering his hangover comment a proven lie. "Oh yeah Noel apologized... but he didn't really apologize". No I think he did apologize to Liam no matter how it's spun. "Noel took the highroad". Why are we to believe that? For all we know Noel was the one not returning Liam's calls to wind him up. Liam's statement also mentioned him trying "amicably" to sort it out. In the end I'm glad it's over, but I wish some people would get their heads out of the sand and realize that it takes two to have a fight. Noel isn't a saint and deserves half the blame for all the shit that has gone on.
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Post by thuperthonic on Aug 24, 2011 14:08:35 GMT -5
Liam had laryngitis because of drinking and smoking. That was Noel's point, and he is right. Get over it.
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Post by Guigs on Aug 24, 2011 14:11:19 GMT -5
I love how Noel's story changes all the time. No point arguing with fanboys.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 24, 2011 14:13:15 GMT -5
^ You are just incapable of reading anything and comprehending it.
Liam fanboys are even funnier.
"Who cares that Liam was out late drinking before the preformance that he had to cancel. How dare anyone call him unprofessional!"
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 24, 2011 14:14:01 GMT -5
The main cause having nothing to do with being on the road for over a year? Obviously drinking and smoking doesn't help that but the question was whether he got absolutely smashed causing the 'hangover' and his voice to go.
But thumperthonic feel free to skim over anything that might show that Noel was not necessarily master of events.
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Post by Guigs on Aug 24, 2011 14:23:38 GMT -5
Let's ignore the fact that Liam has probably been drinking and smoking every night of his life since he was 16, but all of a sudden it's an issue.
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Post by thuperthonic on Aug 24, 2011 14:29:23 GMT -5
I love how Noel's story changes all the time. No point arguing with fanboys. Look dude, this has nothing to do with me being a Noel 'fanboy' or whatever. I've been an Oasis fan since 1994, I love Noel and Liam equally. But not for one second have I ever believed that Liam's laryngitis cop out was legit. That opinion is based on the Liam Gallagher I got to know over the course of 15 years. Just the same, if Liam called out Noel for lamely quitting the band with 2 shows to go, I'd be all for it.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Aug 24, 2011 14:29:37 GMT -5
Can I just say that while alcohol can contribute towards laryngitis, it is not exactly a foregone conclusion that you'll wake up unable to speak after drinking. We've seen one photo of a fairly sober looking Liam with a can of Guinness in his hand. Its not exactly wild or reckless behaviour, bearing in mind that he wasn't due on stage til 9pm the following night.
Are people really so naive to expect him to be tucked up in bed? If he was absolutely sozzled and due to perform at 9am then fair enough, but the chances of him being unable to perform by 9am are quite slim. I've had some absolutely brutal hangovers but have never had laryngitis, for example.
The issue isn't/wasn't whether he was drinking or not, its that Noel stated the cancellation was BECAUSE he was hungover, this isn't true. Noel has retracted it and apologised (in a fashion at least), case closed, both parties are moving on.
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Post by manualex on Aug 24, 2011 14:30:13 GMT -5
Lets ignore that and listen instead... compare his voice in the 90's to the one he has now thanks to cigs and alcohol. That's why it should be an issue, he wins money with his voice and now he has a limited range compared of what he once had.
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Post by thuperthonic on Aug 24, 2011 14:30:26 GMT -5
But thumperthonic feel free to skim over anything that might show that Noel was not necessarily master of events. Feel free to spell my username correctly, mate.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 24, 2011 14:31:16 GMT -5
Let's ignore the fact that Liam has probably been drinking and smoking every night of his life since he was 16, but all of a sudden it's an issue. Let all forget that Liam has at least not been drinking before gigs and according himself he has been easing off a lot on alcohol because of his voice for BDI and all of a sudden his vocals problem are significantly less If alcohol didn't have anything to do with his persistent vocal issues why would he have made a point to stop?
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Post by Velo on Aug 24, 2011 14:34:08 GMT -5
He was supposed to have stopped before the DOYS tour too...it's hard for me to take into consideration his words that he "stopped"
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Aug 24, 2011 14:35:33 GMT -5
Let's ignore the fact that Liam has probably been drinking and smoking every night of his life since he was 16, but all of a sudden it's an issue. Let all forget that Liam has at least not been drinking before gigs for BDI and all of a sudden his vocals problem are significantly less Or that could be because he's played significantly less gigs? Or that Beady Eye gigs are much shorter and the songs were specifically written with his current voice in mind? He cancelled ONE gig at the end of a 13 month tour with very few breaks in between. I'd imagine natural wear and tear had as much to do with it as anything.
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Post by Guigs on Aug 24, 2011 14:36:45 GMT -5
Can I just say that while alcohol can contribute towards laryngitis, it is not exactly a foregone conclusion that you'll wake up unable to speak after drinking. We've seen one photo of a fairly sober looking Liam with a can of Guinness in his hand. Its not exactly wild or reckless behaviour, bearing in mind that he wasn't due on stage til 9pm the following night. Are people really so naive to expect him to be tucked up in bed? If he was absolutely sozzled and due to perform at 9am then fair enough, but the chances of him being unable to perform by 9am are quite slim. I've had some absolutely brutal hangovers but have never had laryngitis, for example. The issue isn't/wasn't whether he was drinking or not, its that Noel stated the cancellation was BECAUSE he was hungover, this isn't true. Noel has retracted it and apologised (in a fashion at least), case closed, both parties are moving on. This deserves to be repeated.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 24, 2011 14:37:00 GMT -5
Let all forget that Liam has at least not been drinking before gigs for BDI and all of a sudden his vocals problem are significantly less Or that could be because he's played significantly less gigs? Or that Beady Eye gigs are much shorter and the songs were specifically written with his current voice in mind? He cancelled ONE gig at the end of a 13 month tour with very few breaks in between. I'd imagine natural wear and tear had as much to do with it as anything. Valid point. But Liam himself has made the point that he needs to cut down on the drinking because it does affect his voice.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 24, 2011 14:37:14 GMT -5
Let's ignore the fact that Liam has probably been drinking and smoking every night of his life since he was 16, but all of a sudden it's an issue. Let all forget that Liam has at least not been drinking before gigs and according himself he has been easing off a lot on alcohol because of his voice for BDI and all of a sudden his vocals problem are significantly less If alcohol didn't have anything to do with his persistent vocal issues why would he have made a point to stop? Why don't you respond to Nyron? He summed up the whole thing very well.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 24, 2011 14:39:04 GMT -5
Let all forget that Liam has at least not been drinking before gigs and according himself he has been easing off a lot on alcohol because of his voice for BDI and all of a sudden his vocals problem are significantly less If alcohol didn't have anything to do with his persistent vocal issues why would he have made a point to stop? Why don't you respond to Nyron? He summed up the whole thing very well. Why does it matter? She can respond to whoever she wants. It is a forum.
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Post by Guigs on Aug 24, 2011 14:45:17 GMT -5
Because Nyron summed up the matter of Liam's drinking perfectly, and should end the circular arguments.
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Post by thuperthonic on Aug 24, 2011 14:48:00 GMT -5
Cool, so Liam can drink/smoke whenever he wants, cancel gigs if it gets in the way, and it's all good. Nice one. He's such a rock star!
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 24, 2011 14:48:29 GMT -5
Why don't you respond to Nyron? He summed up the whole thing very well. Why does it matter? She can respond to whoever she wants. It is a forum. He made the best post representing that perspective, so surely GD should look to address that? If her own opinions are so opposed.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 24, 2011 14:50:01 GMT -5
I don't think so. But I am inclined to not argue any further.
I got bored of this like 4 posts ago.
I have nothing more to add to what I have already said so far and nothing anyone has said has changed my mind. And at this point you guys are just restating nonsense.
Liam NEVER sounded as good with Oasis latterly as he has with BDI...even the first song of the first gig on a tour. He is making an effort which he didn't for Oasis.
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Post by Guigs on Aug 24, 2011 14:51:02 GMT -5
Cool, so Liam can drink/smoke whenever he wants, cancel gigs if it gets in the way, and it's all good. Nice one. He's such a rock star! Oh God i won't bother :bangheadonwall:
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Aug 24, 2011 14:51:36 GMT -5
Cool, so Liam can drink/smoke whenever he wants, cancel gigs if it gets in the way, and it's all good. Nice one. He's such a rock star! So theres no chance for you that his voice went? And he hadn't got wrecked on drink the night before? He shouldn't have a few beers after work at all?
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Post by thuperthonic on Aug 24, 2011 15:07:12 GMT -5
Cool, so Liam can drink/smoke whenever he wants, cancel gigs if it gets in the way, and it's all good. Nice one. He's such a rock star! He shouldn't have a few beers after work at all? I assume it didn't come out of nowhere on the day of the gig and therefore, he felt the onset of it the night before. Surely, if that's the case, he shouldn't have aggravated it by drinking and smoking?
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