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Post by songbirdsally on Aug 19, 2011 8:48:10 GMT -5
I also think that everyone seems to have misunderstood what Noel said, including Liam. He clearly didn't mean the 'Pretty Green' argument was the same day as the break up argument. Why would Liam be asking to include stuff in the tour program 2 dates before the end of the tour? Noel meant that argument happened much, much earlier on and that it added to the tension of the tour and the bad blood between them... He said that there never was a discussion about Pretty Green advertising. He also said this at T in The Park, at a radio interview, I think it was the day of or the day after the press conference. He said something like 'them words Pretty Green have NEVER EVER come out of my mouth when i was talking to him'. Look, at first I thought: Noel isn't just going to make things up? I can imagine he can overexagerate but just making the thing about Pretty Green up? I didn't expect that at all. But now Andy said he lied and Liam is going to court. I think he wouldn't do that unless Noel really lied about it. And more than that, I don't think Liam made this decision on his own. It might have been his idea or wathever but his bandmates (including Gem!) and certainly his mum (we know she has a big influence on him!) must have known this before he actually did it. Seeing as they didn't stop him... I don't know what to think of this On one hand it's utterly ridiculous. Why can't they just TALK? But on the other hand, Liam is correct in saying it hurts him professionally. And if he tried to solve things amicably but there was no response from Noel... and if it really were lies.. than Liam is just standing up for his own rights, which is perfectly normal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2011 8:51:29 GMT -5
In the high court they will break out into Acquiesce in acapella....
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2011 8:52:36 GMT -5
Good luck winning that one, Liam. What an utter child. A doctor diagnosed him with laringytis; of course he's going to win the case you utter idiot. Erm. No. Not in the US, anyway. This lawsuit would be laughed at so hard in the US, and rightfully so. You would have to show that Noel made that comment with malicious intent, which is hard to prove. And you would have to show that there were damages involved - monetary, reputation, etc. Again, very difficult, isn't it in this case? Additionally, celebrities don't get the protection of libel that regular people do. But then again, maybe in England it's different. Irregardless, I lost a lot of respect for Liam here. It's pathetic. "Oh poor me, I was sick and Noel said I had a hangover. Woe is me." Sad. What is he, a five year old? And perhaps a hangover helped cause his condition, what then? This is nonsense.
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Post by shaokahnage on Aug 19, 2011 8:55:30 GMT -5
upsetting seeing how bad it is between them, theyve always bickered but now to see one sue the others just horrible. guess there will never be a reunion
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Post by BEng on Aug 19, 2011 9:00:22 GMT -5
Of course all of this is lame. Liam is only going to lose fans on this... I think he's portrayed as a much worser person in the media then he really is. This lawsuit isn''t really helping him...
Anyway, it's interesting. I wouldn't think Noel would lie on such a thing, but on the other hand, I honestly believe that Liam is "hurt" by this statement, and that he truly believes that Noel is lying. Maybe he did had laryngitis, because of the hangover, I don't know. But why would Noel lie on this? The fact that Andy and Gem are on Liam's side, prove that maybe Noel isn't as nice as everyone thinks....
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2011 9:00:26 GMT -5
I just watched the clip again: "He didn't turn up to the V Festival gig because he had a hangover; he claimed he had laringytis, but whatever"
Wow. Seriously. Good luck winning this, Liam. Noel mentions what Liam says he had, Noel is giving his interpretation of it. Having an opinion is not lawsuit material.
If you come up to me and say "I've been diagnosed by a doctor as having chronic fatigue" or whatever, I'm still entitled to have an opinion that your problem may be due to you partying every night, and I have the right to express that opinion.
Additionally, there was no malicious intent in that one sentence. Liam's reputation hasn't suffered. Liam isn't being sued by V Festival so no monetary losses.
Fighting over semantics? Really, Liam? Really?
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Post by crash on Aug 19, 2011 9:02:09 GMT -5
Also, isn't it possible that Liam could've had a hangover and laryngitis? why not...MTV Unplugged, can anybody tell me where I can find when they are rehearsing for MTV Unplugged...I can't remember where I saw that, funny stuff, I'd like to watch it again..tnx While Noel seems to be appearing more and more mischievous as time goes on this is probably the most un "rock n roll" thing Liam could have done. I mean he gets an NME headline if he has something unusual for breakfast, if he was really that worried about his "professional" reputation (didn't seem to phase him in the 90's) he could've just cleared it in the press. No need to go to court and look like a pansy. I'm not sure if the publicity is a good thing for them or they're just becoming parodies of themselves. I guess if it means more people become aware of TDOYAM and how awesome it is, and therefore buy it, it's a positive.
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Post by ctmazin on Aug 19, 2011 9:06:53 GMT -5
"But on the other hand, Liam is correct in saying it hurts him professionally. And if he tried to solve things amicably but there was no response from Noel... and if it really were lies.. than Liam is just standing up for his own rights, which is perfectly normal."
I'm sorry songbird, you're daft here.
there is no way Liam is hurt professionally. You think anyone, ANYONE out there heard what Noel said and thought, "well that changes my opinion of Liam Gallagher. You're telling me he had a HANGOVER". Are Beady Eye and Oasis fans flocking away out of protest? Are festivals not booking BDI because of this? Liam is suffering no damage from Noel's statement other than the hurt he may be feeling in his heart. And yeah, Liam has been ripping into Noel too. He doesn't have the moral highground to say "I tried to resolve this amicably". "SHITBAG" "DIDO" "LITTLE BITCH" and other bollocks.
I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong. But Liam bringing this into the courts is a low point. I think he's lost his mind.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2011 9:12:13 GMT -5
This is just Liam wanting attention and wanting to get revenge on Noel for speaking about the details of the night in Paris because he probably feels deeply embarrassed about how he acted (waving a guitar around like a maniac). If you honestly think Liam is suing Noel because of damages and libel, you're crazy. Liam has an ulterior motive here, and that just makes it even more pathetic.
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Post by thuperthonic on Aug 19, 2011 9:13:26 GMT -5
"But on the other hand, Liam is correct in saying it hurts him professionally. And if he tried to solve things amicably but there was no response from Noel... and if it really were lies.. than Liam is just standing up for his own rights, which is perfectly normal." I'm sorry songbird, you're daft here. there is no way Liam is hurt professionally. You think anyone, ANYONE out there heard what Noel said and thought, "well that changes my opinion of Liam Gallagher. You're telling me he had a HANGOVER". Are Beady Eye and Oasis fans flocking away out of protest? Are festivals not booking BDI because of this? Liam is suffering no damage from Noel's statement other than the hurt he may be feeling in his heart. And yeah, Liam has been ripping into Noel too. He doesn't have the moral highground to say "I tried to resolve this amicably". "SHITBAG" "DIDO" "LITTLE BITCH" and other bollocks. I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong. But Liam bringing this into the courts is a low point. I think he's lost his mind. Word. And Noel's side can easily dispute the validity of the doctor's note. What were you doing the night before the gig, Liam? What's that? Drinking and smoking? No further questions.
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Post by BEng on Aug 19, 2011 9:14:01 GMT -5
I wonder if he made a rational decision. You don't just sue someone based on emotions.
Liam will always loose, even if he would win this "case".
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2011 9:14:45 GMT -5
His reputation definitely suffered (although it could be argued it was pretty bad to begin with). And Noel's side can easily dispute the validity of the doctor's note. What were you doing the night before the gig, Liam? What's that? Drinking and smoking? No further questions. How has his reputation suffered? When you make those claims, you have to offer proof. From what I can garner, I still see him selling out the venues with Beady Eye. Additionally, it's nothing new that Liam likes to drink and has missed many shows over the past two decades due to hangovers (think MTV Unplugged). It's not exactly that newsworthy to have any effect on the general public's opinions of Liam Gallagher. I don't think anyone's opinion of Liam changed due to that one sentence by Noel.
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Post by columbia1994 on Aug 19, 2011 9:16:51 GMT -5
This is to stop any legal action being lodged against the band. If Liam pulled out because of a hangover then they could be sued by the promotors of V festival.
It'll be settled by Noel making a statement saying he didn't realise the severity of liams laryngitis and he wished him all the best blah blah.
This will be the management company looking after the bands interests.
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Post by ctmazin on Aug 19, 2011 9:18:55 GMT -5
Any loss of reputation is so infintismal that it would not register on a scale measuring feathers. Good luck showing that loss of reputation in a court of law.
Liam Gallagher--for better or worse--defined himself in the public's eye indellibly between 1994 and 2009. What did or did not happen on the morning in question is of no consequence because the two accusations--hangover and laryngitis" go hand in hand in the public's image of Liam. "Ah Liam's drunk and lost his voice. That's our Liam". Those two things are like peanut butter and jam to the public and their image of LG--they're indistinguishable and that's why there's no loss of reputation.
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Post by crash on Aug 19, 2011 9:21:39 GMT -5
This is to stop any legal action being lodged against the band. If Liam pulled out because of a hangover then they could be sued by the promotors of V festival. It'll be settled by Noel making a statement saying he didn't realise the severity of liams laryngitis and he wished him all the best blah blah. This will be the management company looking after the bands interests. But if that were true I'd have thought Noel would've made his statement already, given it's the same management company. I hardly think he'd want this looming over him in the lead up to the album release.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2011 9:24:31 GMT -5
This is to stop any legal action being lodged against the band. If Liam pulled out because of a hangover then they could be sued by the promotors of V festival. It'll be settled by Noel making a statement saying he didn't realise the severity of liams laryngitis and he wished him all the best blah blah. This will be the management company looking after the bands interests. I seriously hope you're right. I hope that this is just a ploy by the management trying to play defense in a bid to counter any action taken by the V Festival. If that's the case, Noel's reaction would be just as you described, and we all go on with our merry lives. If Liam is indeed being serious, then, well, I already said my piece....
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Aug 19, 2011 9:25:42 GMT -5
At this point I have no clue what to believe anymore.
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Post by revol on Aug 19, 2011 9:25:49 GMT -5
"But on the other hand, Liam is correct in saying it hurts him professionally. And if he tried to solve things amicably but there was no response from Noel... and if it really were lies.. than Liam is just standing up for his own rights, which is perfectly normal." I'm sorry songbird, you're daft here. there is no way Liam is hurt professionally. You think anyone, ANYONE out there heard what Noel said and thought, "well that changes my opinion of Liam Gallagher. You're telling me he had a HANGOVER". Are Beady Eye and Oasis fans flocking away out of protest? Are festivals not booking BDI because of this? Liam is suffering no damage from Noel's statement other than the hurt he may be feeling in his heart. And yeah, Liam has been ripping into Noel too. He doesn't have the moral highground to say "I tried to resolve this amicably". "SHITBAG" "DIDO" "LITTLE BITCH" and other bollocks. I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong. But Liam bringing this into the courts is a low point. I think he's lost his mind. This. Also, Noel's comments absolutely did not damage Liam's reputation more than R'Kid's antics over the years. I tried to resolve this amicably - How? By twitting "Shitbag"?
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Post by oasisfanboy on Aug 19, 2011 9:26:57 GMT -5
A doctor diagnosed him with laringytis; of course he's going to win the case you utter idiot. Erm. No. Not in the US, anyway. This lawsuit would be laughed at so hard in the US, and rightfully so. You would have to show that Noel made that comment with malicious intent, which is hard to prove. And you would have to show that there were damages involved - monetary, reputation, etc. Again, very difficult, isn't it in this case? Additionally, celebrities don't get the protection of libel that regular people do. But then again, maybe in England it's different. Irregardless, I lost a lot of respect for Liam here. It's pathetic. "Oh poor me, I was sick and Noel said I had a hangover. Woe is me." Sad. What is he, a five year old? And perhaps a hangover helped cause his condition, what then? This is nonsense. You need to Google English defamation laws. Burden of proof now sits with the defendant - Noel - to prove his statement's truth - that Liam was hungover and was not appropriately medically assessed. Defences are privilege of speech (not applicable as Noel was neither in court nor in parliament), justification (Noel proving that Liam was indeed professionally negligent) or fair comment (this was a reasonable comment that a reasonable person could have held). The appropriateness of the latter is going to be difficult to argue due to the existence of the doctor's note. Whether you personally morally approve or not, Liam is absolutely within his rights here.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 19, 2011 9:29:16 GMT -5
Or this all could of course be a big masterplan from both brothers who are secretly in touch and staging publicity stunts to get both their names in the spotlight again, Noels turn at the moment with his release a few days away with a lovely front page Sun story, and when BDI's next album is out im sure Noel will return the favour by suing Liam for Little James.
Nicer thought though isnt it?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2011 9:29:37 GMT -5
Erm. No. Not in the US, anyway. This lawsuit would be laughed at so hard in the US, and rightfully so. You would have to show that Noel made that comment with malicious intent, which is hard to prove. And you would have to show that there were damages involved - monetary, reputation, etc. Again, very difficult, isn't it in this case? Additionally, celebrities don't get the protection of libel that regular people do. But then again, maybe in England it's different. Irregardless, I lost a lot of respect for Liam here. It's pathetic. "Oh poor me, I was sick and Noel said I had a hangover. Woe is me." Sad. What is he, a five year old? And perhaps a hangover helped cause his condition, what then? This is nonsense. You need to Google English defamation laws. Burden of proof now sits with the defendant - Noel - to prove his statement's truth - that Liam was hungover and was not appropriately medically assessed. Defences are privilege of speech (not applicable as Noel was neither in court nor in parliament), justification (Noel proving that Liam was indeed professionally negligent) or fair comment (this was a reasonable comment that a reasonable person could have held). The appropriateness of the latter is going to be difficult to argue due to the existence of the doctor's note. Whether you personally morally approve or not, Liam is absolutely within his rights here. That's completely the reverse of the US system regarding defamation. Burden of proof in the US would lie with Liam. In the US it is very very difficult to win a libel/slander case.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 19, 2011 9:36:22 GMT -5
Here's what doesn't make sense: The V Festival argument aside, everyone has moved on from Noel's press conference. If Liam wants to correct the perceived wrongs, then he should offer his side of the story. But for better or for worse, us fans and the general rock public have moved on from Noel's conference which was like an entire month ago, or whatever.
But putting it back in the spotlight is showing Liam's vindictive side. Ironically, Liam's reputation will suffer not because of Noel's statements but because of Liam's actions following those statements.
BTW, this story has made DrudgeReport so it's going to get substantial (comparatively speaking) coverage in the US.....
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Post by ctmazin on Aug 19, 2011 9:43:32 GMT -5
NL4E is bang on. No one, and I mean no one, gives two shits about whether it was a hangover or laryngitis or both. people have forgotten and not made any real judgment pro or con. As i said before, it's all part of the same package--drinking/smoking too much, abusing the voice--nobody separates that from the exact medical diagnosis.
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Post by songbirdsally on Aug 19, 2011 9:47:31 GMT -5
I think for Liam it's more than just about the hangover. It's about being talked down by Noel almost his whole carreer. And now he has lawsuit material so he goes for it. It's a statement.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Aug 19, 2011 9:54:14 GMT -5
management are doing a great job.
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