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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 21, 2011 10:03:33 GMT -5
How many times does NL4E need the concept of slander explaining to him? There are a lot of strong views either way on this thread which is fair enough, but he seems to be sticking his fingers in his ears while shouting "He cant do this to Noely Poley, he cant!!" How many times do you need to keep up with the thread? GDForever has taken over. Think about it.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 21, 2011 10:06:40 GMT -5
How many times does NL4E need the concept of slander explaining to him? There are a lot of strong views either way on this thread which is fair enough, but he seems to be sticking his fingers in his ears while shouting "He cant do this to Noely Poley, he cant!!" How many times do you need to keep up with the thread? GDForever has taken over. Think about it. I think I make sense. Your last little diatribe, despite the fact that you are more or less arguing the same conclusion as me, made basically no sense. It was just a rambling mess. I think that might be what he was talking about.
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Post by bonkers on Aug 21, 2011 10:15:27 GMT -5
seems a few people in this thread need to
1. Get out more 2. have more sex
2 of those people have posted on this page
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Aug 21, 2011 11:34:25 GMT -5
How many times does NL4E need the concept of slander explaining to him? There are a lot of strong views either way on this thread which is fair enough, but he seems to be sticking his fingers in his ears while shouting "He cant do this to Noely Poley, he cant!!" How many times do you need to keep up with the thread? GDForever has taken over. Think about it. GDForever is making well reasoned and logical arguments. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but she is entitled to her opinion and is stating her case well. You on the other hand are rambling incoherently about something you clearly have little knowledge of. We've been over and over the concept of slander, libel and UK law, but you're still suggesting that Liam has no case and that Noel was just speaking his mind. It doesn't work like that, regardless of what the law may be in the US yet you're still sticking to "its his opinion and its not a crime". As I say, how many times do we have to go over the concept of slander?
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Post by songbird11 on Aug 21, 2011 19:20:38 GMT -5
As liam has said during beady eye interviews when asked about him & noel he's said it'll be me who'll have to make the call.He's genuine,noel always liked to have things his way during oasis times & still does i reckon,a lot of you's say all this is stupid etc ... it's definitely not,you should all put yourself in liams place,after 15 years of being in oasis after everything it has to end on a lie making liam look the bad fucker all the time,& all who's left oasis still get on with liam,when everyone always used to say they prefer noel,if noel were that good of a person then you'd have all thought past members would be in touch with him.
I guarantee they all left or got sacked by noel,unlike past members liam isn't as quiet as them & i dont blame him,so he does have the right to go ahead with this,despite how it ends.
Who cares if this news is 2 years old,& even though it all ended badly for everyone to just know the real truth would be okay then for them to just carry on would be a good thing.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 21, 2011 19:46:30 GMT -5
As liam has said during beady eye interviews when asked about him & noel he's said it'll be me who'll have to make the call.He's genuine,noel always liked to have things his way during oasis times & still does i reckon,a lot of you's say all this is stupid etc ... it's definitely not,you should all put yourself in liams place,after 15 years of being in oasis after everything it has to end on a lie making liam look the bad fucker all the time,& all who's left oasis still get on with liam,when everyone always used to say they prefer noel,if noel were that good of a person then you'd have all thought past members would be in touch with him. I guarantee they all left or got sacked by noel,unlike past members liam isn't as quiet as them & i dont blame him,so he does have the right to go ahead with this,despite how it ends. Who cares if this news is 2 years old,& even though it all ended badly for everyone to just know the real truth would be okay then for them to just carry on would be a good thing. Noel has always acted as the main business person in the band. So it would stand to reason that he probably did issue many orders to fire people. But does that mean he's a bad person and Liam is better? No. It's the territory that comes with being the leader of the band. Liam can afford to be best friends, and not be the person who fired people. Noel couldn't. Noel did the dirty work, that no one else in the band did and maybe weren't willing to do. So whether past band members talk to Liam, and not Noel is inconsequential. Do you talk to the people who fired you? And Tony McCarroll did sue the band. Liam has the right to challenge whatever Noel says, but that doesn't mean it's smart. He's going for a case that he probably won't win, and one where they'll be more questions that answers. Unless, Noel or Liam are withholding some kind of video. Which I would hate. Because I'd hate to think that the last images that people have of Oasis, are Liam and Noel fighting. If Noel is the "media mastermind" that people keep making him out to be, then shouldn't he easily win the in the court of public opinion? Which is really the only thing that matters nowadays. I doubt if this case brings more answers than, questions. This case will help no one, yet hurt everyone.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 21, 2011 21:03:52 GMT -5
This argument that Noel must be an ass because he isn't friends with former Oasis members is such bullshit.
I must have missed the legions of stories of Liam, Alan, Guigs, Tony, and Bonehead going on holiday together and having regular touching reunions.
The fact is that Noel is the one that initiated the estrangement from Alan, Tony, and now Andy.
I think if Noel had been willing the remain friendly with Andy he probably wouldn't have been rebuffed. And Noel would have decided to cut Tony and Alan out of his life when he fired them. Bonehead and Guigs haven't been publicly in firm contact with anyone connected with Oasis including Liam.
Noel extended an olive brand to 2 former members of Oasis from the last line up and apparently he is friendly with both. The 2 he no longer speaks to seem to have been according to his own wishes.
He with the Oasis DJ and a keyboard player from 10 years ago who approached him voluntarily to ask it he wanted a keyboard player. He can't be that much of an ass or chances are neither would have happened.
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Post by Guigs on Aug 21, 2011 22:28:17 GMT -5
I have spoken with fans who have had the privilege to meet both brothers, and others who have had contact with both of them through the business and most have always said that Liam although more wild was the more genuine of the two, while Noel was more of a stubborn ass behind the scenes. That's the primary reason why I soured on Noel years ago. I used to think he was a stand up guy too but I guess I was wrong.
We can all have our own opinions on him, and while I enjoy his music, I don't put much worth into the other words that come out of his mouth.
There is still Andy's side of the story, which I still stand by because who else would have a better account than a guy that was actually there? Why would a laid back guy like Andy seem so upset by Noel?
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Post by spaneli on Aug 21, 2011 23:53:39 GMT -5
I have spoken with fans who have had the privilege to meet both brothers, and others who have had contact with both of them through the business and most have always said that Liam although more wild was the more genuine of the two, while Noel was more of a stubborn ass behind the scenes. That's the primary reason why I soured on Noel years ago. I used to think he was a stand up guy too but I guess I was wrong. We can all have our own opinions on him, and while I enjoy his music, I don't put much worth into the other words that come out of his mouth. There is still Andy's side of the story, which I still stand by because who else would have a better account than a guy that was actually there? Why would a laid back guy like Andy seem so upset by Noel? Firstly, as I have said before, Liam wasn't the business man of the group. Liam could afford to be one of the guys and be genuine. He wasn't the guy who would have to make the decision on whether you should be fired or not, he still might not be that guy. Of course people have had bad dealings with Noel as a business person. Because his job isn't to make them happy or be genuine, it's to do what's right for the band. So if he has to be stubborn, if he has to fire people, or he has to do whatever, then so be it. Music is a business. As much as people say "we do it because we love it". Music is a business, and that's it. Liam never had to be the strongman in Oasis, nor the business man. Noel was. So of course there are going to be people who are crossed. But it comes with the territory. Secondly, how are people ranking stories ffs. If Noel threw a chair across the room during the press conference, would you have believed him more? It makes no sense how people are ranking stories. Andy's story is the same as Liam story. Surprise surprise. I don't believe anyone. I don't believe Noel, Liam, Gem, Andy, Chris, whoever. I don't believe them. We will never know what happened that night, because everyone who speaks will have some baggage attached to them. No matter how clean they are. Because either a. they don't want to be the person who broke up Oasis, b. they're dependent on someone, or c. they're biased toward one side or the other. So I really don't give a shit what Andy Bell has to say. I won't give a shit when the Gem Archer story comes out, nor when the Chris Sharrock story comes out. Because it doesn't matter. I won't say that they shouldn't speak because it's their right to speak, but I don't care if they do or don't. If Dave Sardy came out with an interview of what happened during the DOYS recordings. And he said that Liam and Noel were talking about Pretty Green being in the tour guide during then. There would be no way in hell I'd believe him. Because he's clearly buds with Noel. The same as Andy being friends with Liam. So really, how in the hell are people ranking stories? Or even coming close to saying that they believe one more than the other? How can anyone really be trusted? I may never believe any one of them again. It would probably have to take a third party person's testimony for any of us to really have a true accounting of what happened that night. And we'll probably never get that. So until then, I will not be ranking stories and using the phrase "I believe _____________ more than ________, and _________" for sometime. It just makes no sense to me.
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Post by gdforever on Aug 21, 2011 23:59:58 GMT -5
Bell wasn't watching very carefully or comprehending very much. NEVER did Noel say that Pretty Green was a the reason or even mentioned in that last fight. So basically he is saying that Noel was lying about something that Noel NEVER said and something that there are picture coroborating. Plus Andy would have been @ least as aware as Noel about Liam behavior the night and apparently morning of the cancellation. No one has said that Liam wasn't drunk the night before. Not even Andy or Liam. Just that it wasn't the hangover precisesly that caused the cancellation. As I've said before, Is cancelling for self inflicted laryngitis any less professional than cancelling for a hangover. No...it really isn't.
Forgive me if I don't believe the word of someone that hasn't even taken the effort to actually listen to the press conference even if he claims to have seen it and may have been complicit in Liam being out all night drinking before V. Now that that has been suggested it makes more sense why Noel would have been more critical Andy than Gem.
As everyone has mentioned. Andy was closer to Liam than anyone in that band. Chances are if anyone in the band stayed out with him it was Andy. Maybe THAT was the lack of support from bandmembers that Noel had actually been referring to in that statement. NOT only that he didn't sticking up for Noel when he and Liam were fighting but also because instead not insisting that Liam behave appropriately the night before performances he had gone out boozing with him so that they had to cancel.
The Sun also said that other people who were involved with the band had gone out with Liam as well.
I think we may have uncovered the reason for Noel's odd statement.
It wasn't only that no one stepped in that night when Liam and Noel were fighting about the V-festival cancellation but also that members of the management, crew, and band members agreed to go out with Liam the night before a performance the result of which was that Liam was unable to preform @ V festival.
There were reports that Noel had been steaming mad when they cancelled V last minute. And if he has found out that while he had gone home to rest the tour crew, management, and members of the band had gone out and gotten wasted the night before and then Liam ended up sick the next day.
The fact is that when Liam did stupid shit like that it was NOEL that had to answer for it. Obviously Noel got sick of lying for Liam. Because there is no way you can convince me that most of the cases of laryngitis over the years had nothing to do with Liam being a moron and pushing his body too hard until his voice gave out.
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