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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 11, 2020 8:24:43 GMT -5
I didn't know that Tom was writing lyrics... One guy is complete idiot, it's not fair to attack other members because of that.
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Post by matt on Jul 11, 2020 9:00:29 GMT -5
I didn't know that Tom was writing lyrics... One guy is complete idiot, it's not fair to attack other members because of that. To be brutally honest, I don’t think anyone was particularly praiseworthy of Serge before all of this either. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 11, 2020 11:22:24 GMT -5
I didn't know that Tom was writing lyrics... One guy is complete idiot, it's not fair to attack other members because of that. To be brutally honest, I don’t think anyone was particularly praiseworthy of Serge before all of this either. That's ok, everybody can have their opinion about anyone but nobody would talk about those lyrics now if Tom didn't do what he done. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 12, 2020 3:22:50 GMT -5
Can't believe she forgave him and took him back.Nice example for their kid. I've seen some girl I knew do the exact same thing. Don't expect too much from people & stop worrying about them if they make such decisions, they have a completely different mindset. Each to their own, some fancy what's totally unacceptable for you. Oh yeah, it happens all the time. However I think it is especially sad that there's a kid involved who witnessed the whole thing. That could be a truly traumatic experience with consequences in his later life. How will they ever explain it to him? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 12, 2020 3:24:45 GMT -5
I just randomly started thinking about the song Shoot The Runner with those god awful lyrics "I'm the king and she's my queen, bitch". I didn't like it the first time I heard it, and it sure doesn't sound better now! I like the song, but that bit has always made me go "say what?!". |
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Post by coconutstall on Jul 12, 2020 8:26:26 GMT -5
Interesting. I always loved it and took it as a Bowie homage since it’s an extreme glam rock stomper. And there are more offending moments like the chorus of Rewired or Fast Fuse. Oh c'mon mate don't post-humously get offended by lyrics that are written years ago by a person who didn't even do the crime in question. I can understand people not being able to hear the songs the same at the moment but to try and comb through the lyrics for examples of domestic violence encouraging lyrics is a bit silly. You could do that with any other band and find lyrics far far worse than that. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 12, 2020 11:08:38 GMT -5
I was re-reading some old Lennon interviews and in Playboy 1980 he openly admits to hitting the women he dated and married on many occasions.
I also think back on all those 70s groupies like Lori Mattix. She dated and had sex with stars like David Bowie, Jimmy Page and Mick Jagger when she was 14-16 and they were 30-33.
If any of these events happened under today’s watchful eyes and social media these people would be torn to shreds. Not sure how Page and Jagger escaped the MeToo movement.
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Post by Manualex on Jul 12, 2020 12:02:40 GMT -5
And there are more offending moments like the chorus of Rewired or Fast Fuse. Oh c'mon mate don't post-humously get offended by lyrics that are written years ago by a person who didn't even do the crime in question. I can understand people not being able to hear the songs the same at the moment but to try and comb through the lyrics for examples of domestic violence encouraging lyrics is a bit silly. You could do that with any other band and find lyrics far far worse than that. My point is that there are more offending moments in Kasabian discog if one wants to be offended. Queen Bitch is a Bowie tribute on the noose. I AM not offended by those, but could see how people would be.✌️ |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 12, 2020 12:18:58 GMT -5
Oh c'mon mate don't post-humously get offended by lyrics that are written years ago by a person who didn't even do the crime in question. I can understand people not being able to hear the songs the same at the moment but to try and comb through the lyrics for examples of domestic violence encouraging lyrics is a bit silly. You could do that with any other band and find lyrics far far worse than that. My point is that there are more offending moments in Kasabian discog if one wants to be offended. Queen Bitch is a Bowie tribute on the noose. I AM not offended by those, but could see how people would be.✌️ I never looked towards Kasabian to give me Shakespearean lyrics. Just a good time. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 12, 2020 13:04:04 GMT -5
I was re-reading some old Lennon interviews and in Playboy 1980 he openly admits to hitting the women he dated and married on many occasions. I also think back on all those 70s groupies like Lori Mattix. She dated and had sex with stars like David Bowie, Jimmy Page and Mick Jagger when she was 14-16 and they were 30-33. If any of these events happened under today’s watchful eyes and social media these people would be torn to shreds. Not sure how Page and Jagger escaped the MeToo movement. 14-year-old girls don't "date and have sex with" 33-year-old men. They get abused and raped by them. The history of rock music is littered with such abuse, and if we now live in a society where these things being known would get the perpetrators torn to shreds, then we're finally doing something right. |
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Post by matt on Jul 12, 2020 13:21:39 GMT -5
I was re-reading some old Lennon interviews and in Playboy 1980 he openly admits to hitting the women he dated and married on many occasions. I also think back on all those 70s groupies like Lori Mattix. She dated and had sex with stars like David Bowie, Jimmy Page and Mick Jagger when she was 14-16 and they were 30-33. If any of these events happened under today’s watchful eyes and social media these people would be torn to shreds. Not sure how Page and Jagger escaped the MeToo movement. 14-year-old girls don't "date and have sex with" 33-year-old men. They get abused and raped by them. The history of rock music is littered with wife-beating and child-abuse, and if we now live in a society where these things being known would get the perpetrators torn to shreds, then finally we're doing something right. Jimmy Page kidnapped that girl too. He’s always been a lecherous old creep. It’s very well documented that The Beatles would never have sex with underage girls. So if they knew it was wrong back then, then why didn’t Bowie, Page, Jagger, etc know better? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 12, 2020 14:30:34 GMT -5
14-year-old girls don't "date and have sex with" 33-year-old men. They get abused and raped by them. The history of rock music is littered with wife-beating and child-abuse, and if we now live in a society where these things being known would get the perpetrators torn to shreds, then finally we're doing something right. Jimmy Page kidnapped that girl too. He’s always been a lecherous old creep. It’s very well documented that The Beatles would never have sex with underage girls. So if they knew it was wrong back then, then why didn’t Bowie, Page, Jagger, etc know better? John always said thank god Mal or Neil never wrote a book with all the dirt because the Hamburg days were particularly “eye popping” with booze and whores. |
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Post by coconutstall on Jul 12, 2020 20:55:17 GMT -5
I was re-reading some old Lennon interviews and in Playboy 1980 he openly admits to hitting the women he dated and married on many occasions. I also think back on all those 70s groupies like Lori Mattix. She dated and had sex with stars like David Bowie, Jimmy Page and Mick Jagger when she was 14-16 and they were 30-33. If any of these events happened under today’s watchful eyes and social media these people would be torn to shreds. Not sure how Page and Jagger escaped the MeToo movement. To be fair things like domestic violence were a lot more common in those days in broader society, they probably would have been less likely to do that sort of thing as well in the modern day. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 12, 2020 21:47:40 GMT -5
I was re-reading some old Lennon interviews and in Playboy 1980 he openly admits to hitting the women he dated and married on many occasions. I also think back on all those 70s groupies like Lori Mattix. She dated and had sex with stars like David Bowie, Jimmy Page and Mick Jagger when she was 14-16 and they were 30-33. If any of these events happened under today’s watchful eyes and social media these people would be torn to shreds. Not sure how Page and Jagger escaped the MeToo movement. To be fair things like domestic violence were a lot more common in those days in broader society, they probably would have been less likely to do that sort of thing as well in the modern day. Wrong is wrong. |
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Post by matt on Jul 13, 2020 11:23:20 GMT -5
Jimmy Page kidnapped that girl too. He’s always been a lecherous old creep. It’s very well documented that The Beatles would never have sex with underage girls. So if they knew it was wrong back then, then why didn’t Bowie, Page, Jagger, etc know better? John always said thank god Mal or Neil never wrote a book with all the dirt because the Hamburg days were particularly “eye popping” with booze and whores. That’s true, but copious amounts of prostitutes, drink and drugs isn’t on the same level as having sex with kids. |
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Post by coconutstall on Jul 13, 2020 20:48:11 GMT -5
To be fair things like domestic violence were a lot more common in those days in broader society, they probably would have been less likely to do that sort of thing as well in the modern day. Wrong is wrong. Oh I agree entirely, just saying how much society has changed for the better since then. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 15, 2020 14:50:41 GMT -5
A couple days leading up to Tom's incident, I was on the verge of buying Kasabian's debut album on vinyl. Now I'm torn on what to do.
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Post by coconutstall on Jul 16, 2020 9:12:36 GMT -5
A couple days leading up to Tom's incident, I was on the verge of buying Kasabian's debut album on vinyl. Now I'm torn on what to do. Same actually, was going to get Velociraptor as it's my favourite album of theirs and they're probably the only band I really love who I don't have any records of. Now I think I'd feel guilty buying so soon after it happened. |
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Post by Lundblad on Aug 8, 2020 15:30:38 GMT -5
Listened to the For Crying Out Loud CD a lot on a roadtrip with my girlfriend last week. I was happy that we actually could enjoy it a lot despite the news about his crimes. Even though them singing You're In Love With A Psycho feels a bit creepy now...
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 9, 2020 15:13:08 GMT -5
I liked Kasabian's first album & their second one isn't bad but after that they went down hill for me.
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Post by garylineker on Dec 21, 2020 20:50:34 GMT -5
They should retire the Kasabian name and comeback with a brand new name, like Beady Eye did after Oasis. It still amazes me that across the entire first Beady Eye tour they didn't play a single Oasis song.Huge balls. It was the only way the band was going to work. Once they played Oasis songs they would be seen as an Oasis tribute act which is ironic because it has 4 members of Oasis in it! Back in 2010 I said once Beady Eye played their first Oasis songs live the band would be dead within a year. Turns out I was 100% correct. I loved that they tried to do only their new material. Noel left you guys! Don't use his material to fluff up the setlist. Show some fucking pride. I'm amazed you think them playing Oasis songs had anything to do with them splitting up. Noel playing half a set of Oasis songs was the draw to his live sets and getting to play arenas on the first album cycle. HFB sold very well, but if he had balls and treated that as a new project where he'd only play songs he'd done solo then he'd have remained at 1,500 capacity venues too. There's a case for Beady Eye just carrying on as Oasis in all honesty. Liam would have maintained the level of popularity he wanted and they'd have been no arrogance in assuming everyone would instantly know Beady Eye. Let's drop this bullshit about Beady Eye needing to be seen as a new band. It's Liam Gallagher. He's the frontman of Oasis to the whole world. People want to hear him singing those songs. That's why he plays them to 50,000 people now. Starting a new band and just paying those songs is just cutting your nose off to spite your face. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 21, 2020 22:06:55 GMT -5
It was the only way the band was going to work. Once they played Oasis songs they would be seen as an Oasis tribute act which is ironic because it has 4 members of Oasis in it! Back in 2010 I said once Beady Eye played their first Oasis songs live the band would be dead within a year. Turns out I was 100% correct. I loved that they tried to do only their new material. Noel left you guys! Don't use his material to fluff up the setlist. Show some fucking pride. I'm amazed you think them playing Oasis songs had anything to do with them splitting up. Noel playing half a set of Oasis songs was the draw to his live sets and getting to play arenas on the first album cycle. HFB sold very well, but if he had balls and treated that as a new project where he'd only play songs he'd done solo then he'd have remained at 1,500 capacity venues too. There's a case for Beady Eye just carrying on as Oasis in all honesty. Liam would have maintained the level of popularity he wanted and they'd have been no arrogance in assuming everyone would instantly know Beady Eye. Let's drop this bullshit about Beady Eye needing to be seen as a new band. It's Liam Gallagher. He's the frontman of Oasis to the whole world. People want to hear him singing those songs. That's why he plays them to 50,000 people now. Starting a new band and just paying those songs is just cutting your nose off to spite your face. There is a huuuuuuge difference between a solo artist who wrote those Oasis songs playing them compared to a “new” band that has to play the songs written by the guy who quit. I don’t care how you dice it, they were never gonna be taken serious once they did that and it was a desperation play as the band was dissolving rapidly. I applaud them for trying to make it all on their own. Huge stones. The problem is their martial was pretty weak and all of Liam’s boasting and Noel digs didn’t help anyone. |
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Post by garylineker on Dec 22, 2020 13:59:26 GMT -5
I'm amazed you think them playing Oasis songs had anything to do with them splitting up. Noel playing half a set of Oasis songs was the draw to his live sets and getting to play arenas on the first album cycle. HFB sold very well, but if he had balls and treated that as a new project where he'd only play songs he'd done solo then he'd have remained at 1,500 capacity venues too. There's a case for Beady Eye just carrying on as Oasis in all honesty. Liam would have maintained the level of popularity he wanted and they'd have been no arrogance in assuming everyone would instantly know Beady Eye. Let's drop this bullshit about Beady Eye needing to be seen as a new band. It's Liam Gallagher. He's the frontman of Oasis to the whole world. People want to hear him singing those songs. That's why he plays them to 50,000 people now. Starting a new band and just paying those songs is just cutting your nose off to spite your face. There is a huuuuuuge difference between a solo artist who wrote those Oasis songs playing them compared to a “new” band that has to play the songs written by the guy who quit. I don’t care how you dice it, they were never gonna be taken serious once they did that and it was a desperation play as the band was dissolving rapidly. I applaud them for trying to make it all on their own. Huge stones. The problem is their martial was pretty weak and all of Liam’s boasting and Noel digs didn’t help anyone. We can pretend theres a difference. But everyone going to see Beady Eye was going because it was Liam Gallagher. No one was there for Gem and Andy or Chris. It was basically Liam solo without his name. Commendable to do it, but outrageously stupid and naive. People want to see Liam and Noel singing Oasis songs. Nothing they do now will ever top that. Liam has it bang on now with his sets and that's why he's fulfilling his live potential in terms of sales. I get what youre saying in an ideal world but let's not beat around the bush. They're the brothers from Oasis and those songs are whats put them there and what people expect to hear when they see them. Otherwise it's back to 1500 capacity venues with everyone waiting to hear an oldie. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2020 15:21:53 GMT -5
There is a huuuuuuge difference between a solo artist who wrote those Oasis songs playing them compared to a “new” band that has to play the songs written by the guy who quit. I don’t care how you dice it, they were never gonna be taken serious once they did that and it was a desperation play as the band was dissolving rapidly. I applaud them for trying to make it all on their own. Huge stones. The problem is their martial was pretty weak and all of Liam’s boasting and Noel digs didn’t help anyone. We can pretend theres a difference. But everyone going to see Beady Eye was going because it was Liam Gallagher. No one was there for Gem and Andy or Chris. It was basically Liam solo without his name. Commendable to do it, but outrageously stupid and naive. People want to see Liam and Noel singing Oasis songs. Nothing they do now will ever top that. Liam has it bang on now with his sets and that's why he's fulfilling his live potential in terms of sales. I get what youre saying in an ideal world but let's not beat around the bush. They're the brothers from Oasis and those songs are whats put them there and what people expect to hear when they see them. Otherwise it's back to 1500 capacity venues with everyone waiting to hear an oldie. And like I said on this forum back in August 2009, both brothers should go solo. Don’t form another “band” with the remaining Oasis guys. New start. The gallagher brand is so strong. |
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Post by garylineker on Dec 22, 2020 17:13:16 GMT -5
We can pretend theres a difference. But everyone going to see Beady Eye was going because it was Liam Gallagher. No one was there for Gem and Andy or Chris. It was basically Liam solo without his name. Commendable to do it, but outrageously stupid and naive. People want to see Liam and Noel singing Oasis songs. Nothing they do now will ever top that. Liam has it bang on now with his sets and that's why he's fulfilling his live potential in terms of sales. I get what youre saying in an ideal world but let's not beat around the bush. They're the brothers from Oasis and those songs are whats put them there and what people expect to hear when they see them. Otherwise it's back to 1500 capacity venues with everyone waiting to hear an oldie. And like I said on this forum back in August 2009, both brothers should go solo. Don’t form another “band” with the remaining Oasis guys. New start. The gallagher brand is so strong. Agreed. But let's not pretend when 1 person leaves Oasis and the most recognisable person in Oasis is still fronting them tht it's ever gonna be classed as anything other than Oasis minus Noel. It's pie in the sky stuff to say it was a new band as if it was the Style Council or something. |
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