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Post by tiger40 on Aug 9, 2020 15:13:08 GMT -5
I liked Kasabian's first album & their second one isn't bad but after that they went down hill for me.
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Post by garylineker on Dec 21, 2020 20:50:34 GMT -5
They should retire the Kasabian name and comeback with a brand new name, like Beady Eye did after Oasis. It still amazes me that across the entire first Beady Eye tour they didn't play a single Oasis song.Huge balls. It was the only way the band was going to work. Once they played Oasis songs they would be seen as an Oasis tribute act which is ironic because it has 4 members of Oasis in it! Back in 2010 I said once Beady Eye played their first Oasis songs live the band would be dead within a year. Turns out I was 100% correct. I loved that they tried to do only their new material. Noel left you guys! Don't use his material to fluff up the setlist. Show some fucking pride. I'm amazed you think them playing Oasis songs had anything to do with them splitting up. Noel playing half a set of Oasis songs was the draw to his live sets and getting to play arenas on the first album cycle. HFB sold very well, but if he had balls and treated that as a new project where he'd only play songs he'd done solo then he'd have remained at 1,500 capacity venues too. There's a case for Beady Eye just carrying on as Oasis in all honesty. Liam would have maintained the level of popularity he wanted and they'd have been no arrogance in assuming everyone would instantly know Beady Eye. Let's drop this bullshit about Beady Eye needing to be seen as a new band. It's Liam Gallagher. He's the frontman of Oasis to the whole world. People want to hear him singing those songs. That's why he plays them to 50,000 people now. Starting a new band and just paying those songs is just cutting your nose off to spite your face.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 21, 2020 22:06:55 GMT -5
It was the only way the band was going to work. Once they played Oasis songs they would be seen as an Oasis tribute act which is ironic because it has 4 members of Oasis in it! Back in 2010 I said once Beady Eye played their first Oasis songs live the band would be dead within a year. Turns out I was 100% correct. I loved that they tried to do only their new material. Noel left you guys! Don't use his material to fluff up the setlist. Show some fucking pride. I'm amazed you think them playing Oasis songs had anything to do with them splitting up. Noel playing half a set of Oasis songs was the draw to his live sets and getting to play arenas on the first album cycle. HFB sold very well, but if he had balls and treated that as a new project where he'd only play songs he'd done solo then he'd have remained at 1,500 capacity venues too. There's a case for Beady Eye just carrying on as Oasis in all honesty. Liam would have maintained the level of popularity he wanted and they'd have been no arrogance in assuming everyone would instantly know Beady Eye. Let's drop this bullshit about Beady Eye needing to be seen as a new band. It's Liam Gallagher. He's the frontman of Oasis to the whole world. People want to hear him singing those songs. That's why he plays them to 50,000 people now. Starting a new band and just paying those songs is just cutting your nose off to spite your face. There is a huuuuuuge difference between a solo artist who wrote those Oasis songs playing them compared to a “new” band that has to play the songs written by the guy who quit. I don’t care how you dice it, they were never gonna be taken serious once they did that and it was a desperation play as the band was dissolving rapidly. I applaud them for trying to make it all on their own. Huge stones. The problem is their martial was pretty weak and all of Liam’s boasting and Noel digs didn’t help anyone.
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Post by garylineker on Dec 22, 2020 13:59:26 GMT -5
I'm amazed you think them playing Oasis songs had anything to do with them splitting up. Noel playing half a set of Oasis songs was the draw to his live sets and getting to play arenas on the first album cycle. HFB sold very well, but if he had balls and treated that as a new project where he'd only play songs he'd done solo then he'd have remained at 1,500 capacity venues too. There's a case for Beady Eye just carrying on as Oasis in all honesty. Liam would have maintained the level of popularity he wanted and they'd have been no arrogance in assuming everyone would instantly know Beady Eye. Let's drop this bullshit about Beady Eye needing to be seen as a new band. It's Liam Gallagher. He's the frontman of Oasis to the whole world. People want to hear him singing those songs. That's why he plays them to 50,000 people now. Starting a new band and just paying those songs is just cutting your nose off to spite your face. There is a huuuuuuge difference between a solo artist who wrote those Oasis songs playing them compared to a “new” band that has to play the songs written by the guy who quit. I don’t care how you dice it, they were never gonna be taken serious once they did that and it was a desperation play as the band was dissolving rapidly. I applaud them for trying to make it all on their own. Huge stones. The problem is their martial was pretty weak and all of Liam’s boasting and Noel digs didn’t help anyone. We can pretend theres a difference. But everyone going to see Beady Eye was going because it was Liam Gallagher. No one was there for Gem and Andy or Chris. It was basically Liam solo without his name. Commendable to do it, but outrageously stupid and naive. People want to see Liam and Noel singing Oasis songs. Nothing they do now will ever top that. Liam has it bang on now with his sets and that's why he's fulfilling his live potential in terms of sales. I get what youre saying in an ideal world but let's not beat around the bush. They're the brothers from Oasis and those songs are whats put them there and what people expect to hear when they see them. Otherwise it's back to 1500 capacity venues with everyone waiting to hear an oldie.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2020 15:21:53 GMT -5
There is a huuuuuuge difference between a solo artist who wrote those Oasis songs playing them compared to a “new” band that has to play the songs written by the guy who quit. I don’t care how you dice it, they were never gonna be taken serious once they did that and it was a desperation play as the band was dissolving rapidly. I applaud them for trying to make it all on their own. Huge stones. The problem is their martial was pretty weak and all of Liam’s boasting and Noel digs didn’t help anyone. We can pretend theres a difference. But everyone going to see Beady Eye was going because it was Liam Gallagher. No one was there for Gem and Andy or Chris. It was basically Liam solo without his name. Commendable to do it, but outrageously stupid and naive. People want to see Liam and Noel singing Oasis songs. Nothing they do now will ever top that. Liam has it bang on now with his sets and that's why he's fulfilling his live potential in terms of sales. I get what youre saying in an ideal world but let's not beat around the bush. They're the brothers from Oasis and those songs are whats put them there and what people expect to hear when they see them. Otherwise it's back to 1500 capacity venues with everyone waiting to hear an oldie. And like I said on this forum back in August 2009, both brothers should go solo. Don’t form another “band” with the remaining Oasis guys. New start. The gallagher brand is so strong.
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Post by garylineker on Dec 22, 2020 17:13:16 GMT -5
We can pretend theres a difference. But everyone going to see Beady Eye was going because it was Liam Gallagher. No one was there for Gem and Andy or Chris. It was basically Liam solo without his name. Commendable to do it, but outrageously stupid and naive. People want to see Liam and Noel singing Oasis songs. Nothing they do now will ever top that. Liam has it bang on now with his sets and that's why he's fulfilling his live potential in terms of sales. I get what youre saying in an ideal world but let's not beat around the bush. They're the brothers from Oasis and those songs are whats put them there and what people expect to hear when they see them. Otherwise it's back to 1500 capacity venues with everyone waiting to hear an oldie. And like I said on this forum back in August 2009, both brothers should go solo. Don’t form another “band” with the remaining Oasis guys. New start. The gallagher brand is so strong. Agreed. But let's not pretend when 1 person leaves Oasis and the most recognisable person in Oasis is still fronting them tht it's ever gonna be classed as anything other than Oasis minus Noel. It's pie in the sky stuff to say it was a new band as if it was the Style Council or something.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2020 18:36:22 GMT -5
And like I said on this forum back in August 2009, both brothers should go solo. Don’t form another “band” with the remaining Oasis guys. New start. The gallagher brand is so strong. Agreed. But let's not pretend when 1 person leaves Oasis and the most recognisable person in Oasis is still fronting them tht it's ever gonna be classed as anything other than Oasis minus Noel. It's pie in the sky stuff to say it was a new band as if it was the Style Council or something. Liam’s words not mine.
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Post by garylineker on Dec 22, 2020 19:41:03 GMT -5
Agreed. But let's not pretend when 1 person leaves Oasis and the most recognisable person in Oasis is still fronting them tht it's ever gonna be classed as anything other than Oasis minus Noel. It's pie in the sky stuff to say it was a new band as if it was the Style Council or something. Liam’s words not mine. Oh believe me i know how Liam and the rest were naive to do what they did. But i respected the fact it was a few lads writing their own tunes and putting thair balls on the line like that. They no longer had the business savy dictatorship of Noel around which undoubtedly they needed - but i respected the way they went about it all the same. Noel knew playing half Oasis songs in his set filled an Oasis void that he'd made happen. He knew Liam having a band playing none of those songs was just more ticket sales for him. Let's put the quality of HFB and Beady Eye aside for a minute, that on its own gives Noel the arenas and Liam the nightclub capacity venues. Believe it or not, you dont sell 20,000 tickets because you've released The Death Of You and Me. Taking away Oasis from their brand is bad enough, but Gallagher too? Suicide. It's like if Oasis got back together tomorrow their reach and brand would be bigger than what either of them could do alone just as Liam or Noel Gallagher.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 22, 2020 19:58:06 GMT -5
Oh believe me i know how Liam and the rest were naive to do what they did. But i respected the fact it was a few lads writing their own tunes and putting thair balls on the line like that. They no longer had the business savy dictatorship of Noel around which undoubtedly they needed - but i respected the way they went about it all the same. Noel knew playing half Oasis songs in his set filled an Oasis void that he'd made happen. He knew Liam having a band playing none of those songs was just more ticket sales for him. Let's put the quality of HFB and Beady Eye aside for a minute, that on its own gives Noel the arenas and Liam the nightclub capacity venues. Believe it or not, you dont sell 20,000 tickets because you've released The Death Of You and Me. Taking away Oasis from their brand is bad enough, but Gallagher too? Suicide. It's like if Oasis got back together tomorrow their reach and brand would be bigger than what either of them could do alone just as Liam or Noel Gallagher. Being a solo artist is a different animal than being in a band. Noel wrote 99% of Oasis biggest and most well known songs. It’s only natural for solo artists who use to be in huge bands would play their famous band material too. Especially if they are the ones who wrote it. Even seen McCartney a bunch of times, the best moments are no doubt The Beatles moments. I’ve seen Eddie Vedder solo. Same deal. Or Lou Reed.
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Post by garylineker on Dec 22, 2020 20:14:41 GMT -5
Oh believe me i know how Liam and the rest were naive to do what they did. But i respected the fact it was a few lads writing their own tunes and putting thair balls on the line like that. They no longer had the business savy dictatorship of Noel around which undoubtedly they needed - but i respected the way they went about it all the same. Noel knew playing half Oasis songs in his set filled an Oasis void that he'd made happen. He knew Liam having a band playing none of those songs was just more ticket sales for him. Let's put the quality of HFB and Beady Eye aside for a minute, that on its own gives Noel the arenas and Liam the nightclub capacity venues. Believe it or not, you dont sell 20,000 tickets because you've released The Death Of You and Me. Taking away Oasis from their brand is bad enough, but Gallagher too? Suicide. It's like if Oasis got back together tomorrow their reach and brand would be bigger than what either of them could do alone just as Liam or Noel Gallagher. Being a solo artist is a different animal than being in a band. Noel wrote 99% of Oasis biggest and most well known songs. It’s only natural for solo artists who use to be in huge bands would play their famous band material too. Especially if they are the ones who wrote it. Even seen McCartney a bunch of times, the best moments are no doubt The Beatles moments. I’ve seen Eddie Vedder solo. Same deal. Or Lou Reed. Exactly. Which is why it is disingenuous of you (and Noel) to think Liam didn't need that. Like i say we should stop this laughable idea that Oasis minus Noel with all these same bandmates and a frontman who's only ever been known as the man from Oasis will ever been received as a new band. It's okay Noel bashing Liam for playing half an Oasis set now, i quote "no one from his fucking label is saying just play the new stuff are they". Well Noel you didn't do anything different either. Liam playing just Beady Eye songs is effectively every Mccartney, Eddie Vedder or Lou Reed gig you've ever been to without all those songs played. Just because it was classed as a new band doesn't mean you should blindly overlook what people wanted from Liam Gallagher. There's no way playing 2 oasis songs in a set was what ended them.
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 27, 2020 9:38:23 GMT -5
People can say whatever they like, they were fucking great at their prime and we need stuff like this more than anything now
We became bunch of fucking anxious pussies.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 27, 2020 9:46:49 GMT -5
People can say whatever they like, they were fucking great at their prime and we need stuff like this more than anything now We became bunch of fucking anxious pussies. From the debut up until Velociraptor they made some really cool stuff, they lost it after that and I thought Serge's solo debut was much more interesting than anything they did post 2011 Still a shame about what happened, you're not gonna get away with it in 2020 (and rightly so)
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Post by matt on Dec 29, 2020 18:52:36 GMT -5
People can say whatever they like, they were fucking great at their prime and we need stuff like this more than anything now We became bunch of fucking anxious pussies.We or they the band themselves? Judging by the sappy dross that followed, I'd say it was Kasabian who became pussies. Good first album, never has a band failed spectacularly to live up to its promise though. Then they became loutish c*nts and their music turned into a reflection of their sad sack lives. The fact their knuckle dragging monkey of a lead singer was outed as a woman beater was sadly not in the least bit surprising.
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 30, 2020 4:24:26 GMT -5
Talking about anxiety, Tom was mentally not well for years, someone could have helped him. And when I said someone, his so called mates from band first.
It's such a shame when it was so obvious, you could watch some interview for two minutes and see that guy has problems. He is still idiot and woman beater and not that ill that he can't control himself but level of control is really much lower when you are not mentally well.
There is no fucking excuse for what he did but other members are now like surprised and shocked and are kicking him out of the band... Maybe I am wrong but I am sure that those things just don't happen like that. Like it was one time thing. Yeah sure. Maybe he was not beating woman but probably has history of aggressive behavior and someone could do something about it.
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Post by underneaththesky on Dec 30, 2020 8:21:37 GMT -5
People can say whatever they like, they were fucking great at their prime and we need stuff like this more than anything now We became bunch of fucking anxious pussies.We or they the band themselves? Judging by the sappy dross that followed, I'd say it was Kasabian who became pussies. Good first album, never has a band failed spectacularly to live up to its promise though. Then they became loutish c*nts and their music turned into a reflection of their sad sack lives. The fact their knuckle dragging monkey of a lead singer was outed as a woman beater was sadly not in the least bit surprising. exactly what I was going to say and i didnt know the P word was still used in 2058
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Post by underneaththesky on Dec 30, 2020 8:31:29 GMT -5
Talking about anxiety, Tom was mentally not well for years, someone could have helped him. And when I said someone, his so called mates from band first. band mates first? why? he dont need 4 mums he's a big boy now (he always wanted to BE) he fucked up- he's probably the one who left, who didn't want the ennemies to get to the band because of his mistakes. dont cry over Sergio or the bassist please
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Post by MacaRonic on Dec 30, 2020 9:21:40 GMT -5
Even their first album done nothing for me. A one dimensional band. A riff band. Oasis without the song craft.
It was always sticking out like a sore thumb that Tom was a mental patient. He should get serious help judging by his recent interview.
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Post by tiger40 on Dec 30, 2020 14:40:20 GMT -5
Club Foot is one of my favourite songs from Kasabian's first album and it's such a good song.
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Post by matt on Dec 31, 2020 4:44:03 GMT -5
Mental illness or not, Tom Meighan was always a charmless scumbag.
So that explains his behaviour, not mental illness.
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Post by matt on Mar 23, 2021 19:17:56 GMT -5
Still no news on their next movement. I’d rather they called it a day than continue with Serge as front man. Someone on Twitter claiming to know Tom Meighan said he’s in a bad way at the moment. Probably not as bad as the women he's beaten.
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Post by tommybravo on Mar 24, 2021 11:51:35 GMT -5
Still no news on their next movement. I’d rather they called it a day than continue with Serge as front man. Someone on Twitter claiming to know Tom Meighan said he’s in a bad way at the moment. Probably not as bad as the women he's beaten. Women? Was there more than one? He deserves everything thrown at him
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