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Post by bt95 on Jul 8, 2020 17:05:55 GMT -5
But back to Kasabian, meh, pack it in.
Tom and Serge are/were Kasabian, really.
The band's done. Tom made those songs.
He's a tit for what he did. Made a mistake that he'll probably never play down. Doesn't take away from the fact that he was a brilliant frontman for that band and those songs.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 8, 2020 17:06:53 GMT -5
It was the only way the band was going to work. Once they played Oasis songs they would be seen as an Oasis tribute act which is ironic because it has 4 members of Oasis in it! Back in 2010 I said once Beady Eye played their first Oasis songs live the band would be dead within a year. Turns out I was 100% correct. I loved that they tried to do only their new material. Noel left you guys! Don't use his material to fluff up the setlist. Show some fucking pride. And yet, while I agree, if they had done that on the first tour, they'd probably have been playing arenas, not academies, by the end of it. Weird how it works. Then again, I still think timing had a lot to do with BE's failure. Ultimately the songs weren't there but the timing didn't help; people had had enough of Oasis (in the 'traditional' sense - i.e. Liam and Noel squabbling) by that point. Compare that to 2017 - present day and it couldn't be more different. Well it is easy to say timing if the songs weren't there. That is the ultimate problem. The songs were weak and the production was rather bland.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 8, 2020 17:41:12 GMT -5
And yet, while I agree, if they had done that on the first tour, they'd probably have been playing arenas, not academies, by the end of it. Weird how it works. Then again, I still think timing had a lot to do with BE's failure. Ultimately the songs weren't there but the timing didn't help; people had had enough of Oasis (in the 'traditional' sense - i.e. Liam and Noel squabbling) by that point. Compare that to 2017 - present day and it couldn't be more different. Well it is easy to say timing if the songs weren't there. That is the ultimate problem. The songs were weak and the production was rather bland. Think it's a bit of both is what I was trying to say. There wasn't really any clamour for the rest of the band (minus Noel) at that point in 2010/11, at least outside of the hardcore fanbase. And then the songs weren't good enough to get anyone outside of the hardcore fanbase interested. Whereas NGHFB was widely considered a 'return to form' for Noel - even though really it was just that it was the first album of songs written entirely by him in 14 years. Obviously with Kasabian I can't see Tom doing anything anytime soon on his own so it's different, but it just would seem odd for them to carry on like they're some legacy band (like Queen for example).
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 8, 2020 18:45:29 GMT -5
Well it is easy to say timing if the songs weren't there. That is the ultimate problem. The songs were weak and the production was rather bland. Think it's a bit of both is what I was trying to say. There wasn't really any clamour for the rest of the band (minus Noel) at that point in 2010/11, at least outside of the hardcore fanbase. And then the songs weren't good enough to get anyone outside of the hardcore fanbase interested. Whereas NGHFB was widely considered a 'return to form' for Noel - even though really it was just that it was the first album of songs written entirely by him in 14 years. Obviously with Kasabian I can't see Tom doing anything anytime soon on his own so it's different, but it just would seem odd for them to carry on like they're some legacy band (like Queen for example). Like I said earlier. It’s sad to say and no way the bands fault but the group is over. We can enjoy their past efforts but I’ve tuned out over the last 5-7 years. I don’t need to see or hear a Serge led Kasabian.
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Post by Manualex on Jul 8, 2020 19:02:04 GMT -5
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 8, 2020 19:54:05 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever heard a Kasabian song. Never met anyone who liked Kasabian. Never seen a Kasabian t-shirt. Don't think that'll be changing going forward, now. This forum is chock full of them. Especially between 2008-2012. I am very pleased to say that I have never met anyone from this forum
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 8, 2020 21:11:35 GMT -5
This forum is chock full of them. Especially between 2008-2012. I am very pleased to say that I have never met anyone from this forum Well don’t sell yourself short. Some fantastic people around these parts.
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 8, 2020 21:46:32 GMT -5
I am very pleased to say that I have never met anyone from this forum Well don’t sell yourself short. Some fantastic people around these parts. Very fucking pleased
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jul 8, 2020 22:49:44 GMT -5
It's interesting his partner has forgiving him but he has still been fired from the band. There's no point in Kasabian without Tom.
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Post by morning_rain on Jul 9, 2020 1:54:43 GMT -5
Good luck to him in his recovery and it's ultimately his partner's decision what she wants, but neither alcoholism nor ADHD explains his actions. That's in you or it isn't. Which is exactly what he said, isn't it. Well, then there's no need to mention it. But he did.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 9, 2020 2:42:13 GMT -5
Which is exactly what he said, isn't it. Well, then there's no need to mention it. But he did. But people are just as horrid. They want him thrown in prison (if he had have been, he couldn't have complained, mind) etc. There's just this clamour now from people online who want other people's lives totally ruined. The bloke has issues. Those issues aren't an excuse for what he did – he's explained he's seeking help for his alcohol addiction. If he hadn't had said anything, you can guarantee the same people slating him for saying it would be slating him for not saying it (well is he even seeking help!?) We live in a proper weird society with some Black Mirror-esque requirement to prove yourself on social media. This is just an example of it (the response, not the act itself which everyone knows is disgraceful and wrong). Someone said: "Apologising isn't going to do anything." That's not strictly incorrect, of course. It isn't going to turn back time or undo anything. But then again if he didn't apologise, he'd get pelters for it (and rightly so if he shows no remorse).
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Post by Rolo on Jul 9, 2020 3:34:46 GMT -5
He dragged his girlfriend by the ankles outside and abused her infront of their kid. That isn't just a "mistake", that's some fucked up shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 5:57:55 GMT -5
Which is exactly what he said, isn't it. Well, then there's no need to mention it. But he did. Exactly. Note that I used the word "explain", not the word "excuse".
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Post by janedoe on Jul 9, 2020 8:01:55 GMT -5
ADHD? what is the link to domestic violence?
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Post by standbymoi on Jul 9, 2020 9:12:54 GMT -5
Ozzy osbourne famously tried to strangle wife Sharon while their kids were in the house in the late 80’s I think. Didn’t do his popularity any harm.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 9, 2020 10:02:31 GMT -5
He dragged his girlfriend by the ankles outside and abused her infront of their kid. That isn't just a "mistake", that's some fucked up shit. 100% agree he's an absolute jobber for doing what he did, it's disgraceful, and he's lucky for it not to be a worse punishment that he got. The only thing he can now do to atone in anyway is serve the sentence he's got and then also try and help himself get out of whatever place he was in which made him do that. That's different to offeirng an excuse for his behaviour - as others have said, it's either in you or not to do something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 11:58:54 GMT -5
ADHD? what is the link to domestic violence? Impulsive behaviour, I guess. But then lashing out in a moment is one thing and a sustained attack in front of a child is quite another.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jul 9, 2020 12:47:24 GMT -5
I feel like, after reading this thread, my Kasabian version of 'Twat or Not a Twat' will be a bit of a walkover...
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 9, 2020 13:06:54 GMT -5
He dragged his girlfriend by the ankles outside and abused her infront of their kid. That isn't just a "mistake", that's some fucked up shit. Can't believe she forgave him and took him back. Nice example for their kid.
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Post by matt on Jul 9, 2020 13:39:46 GMT -5
Read the small print and it gets even worse. Looks like it’s just natural for his character and any sympathy vote is a manipulative ruse. He’s totally finished - hopefully no way back for him.
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Post by Derrick on Jul 9, 2020 13:46:54 GMT -5
He dragged his girlfriend by the ankles outside and abused her infront of their kid. That isn't just a "mistake", that's some fucked up shit. Can't believe she forgave him and took him back.Nice example for their kid. I've seen some girl I knew do the exact same thing. Don't expect too much from people & stop worrying about them if they make such decisions, they have a completely different mindset. Each to their own, some fancy what's totally unacceptable for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:12:20 GMT -5
He dragged his girlfriend by the ankles outside and abused her infront of their kid. That isn't just a "mistake", that's some fucked up shit. Can't believe she forgave him and took him back. Nice example for their kid. Happens all the time. When I used to work in Jobcentres I'd get women from other parts of the country making new claims telling me about the most awful experiences they'd had before getting into a shelter in my city so they couldn't be found. I wasn't even allowed to know the address of the shelters. They'd have new phones. At least 50% of them would miss an appointment with me within a few weeks. I'd look into their account to see if there was a note and see that they'd moved back to their abusers. The abusers often have a psychological hold over them that they just cannot break, even when they do manage to get away. Think about what that means - even when they left, usually after taking a particularly severe beating, they'd have written the abuser's phone number down somewhere for when they changed phones.
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Post by elchupacabra on Jul 9, 2020 21:56:28 GMT -5
Many abuse victims forgive their abuser as their behaviour has become so normal to them that they think that's how relationships work.
He denied what he done till he was shown cctv footage which shows hes not sorry for what he done, he's sorry he was caught.
I'd bet this isn't a one off assault, this is repeat behaviour.
This hits close to home for me and I really hope she leaves him.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 9, 2020 22:37:37 GMT -5
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Post by 2nz on Jul 10, 2020 6:10:52 GMT -5
There's also the matter of the band moving forward under the name of someone who was present at the brutal murder of a pregnant woman in an attempt to start a race war.
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