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Post by eva on Jul 3, 2009 9:45:54 GMT -5
you once posted something like "I believe thechemist earned the right to be ignored". you're not doing a very good job at it. in fact, you're feeding him by continuing to replying to his threads. the same happens with all the NL4Es, UGHFs and similar characters around. in fact, many of those have been warned and banned in several ocassions. I must say I HAVE NEVER seen anyony so enthusiastic about banning those people, hmmm..wonder why.....? you're not around much then about the verve request, people can ask for whatever they want, the rule is " don't post officially released material".
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Post by bathqueen on Jul 3, 2009 9:56:31 GMT -5
you once posted something like "I believe thechemist earned the right to be ignored". you're not doing a very good job at it. in fact, you're feeding him by continuing to replying to his threads. the same happens with all the NL4Es, UGHFs and similar characters around. in fact, many of those have been warned and banned in several ocassions. I must say I HAVE NEVER seen anyony so enthusiastic about banning those people, hmmm..wonder why.....? you're not around much then about the verve request, people can ask for whatever they want, the rule is " don't post officially released material". I said he earned the right to be ignored. Never said i'm going to ignore him, and more relevant, i Never said i'm going to ignore the calls to shut him up. also, did u realise that when i said "those people", i meant the people who insult NL4E tpof and ughf? not NL4E...Themselves? If so, then yeah, i havent seen that many calls to ban those people [group 1] even tho its against "The rules" to insult them [group 2] just because their ("Boring", "unoriginal", "unreal" and whtever they were desribed) threads and iv been here for 9 months...
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Post by eva on Jul 3, 2009 10:29:47 GMT -5
then I guess you didn't recorgnise that the "group 2" originated whatever they had coming from the "group 1" by posting offensive words, insults and/or spam. you've had plenty of that in the past 9 months.
the thing is, people, in general, should grow the fuck up and start acting like adults. just because they're behind a computer screen doesn't give them the right to act like spoiled children.
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Post by bathqueen on Jul 3, 2009 12:14:49 GMT -5
then I guess you didn't recorgnise that the "group 2" originated whatever they had coming from the "group 1" by posting offensive words, insults and/or spam. you've had plenty of that in the past 9 months. the thing is, people, in general, should grow the fuck up and start acting like adults. just because they're behind a computer screen doesn't give them the right to act like spoiled children. I sure do know group 2 aint innocent, YET, nowhere in the forum rules it says "u arent allowed to insult people UNLESS they had it coming". Im sorry, but as long as the forum rules card is played, i'll keep playin on it (im not the one who brought it up). Yeah people should grow up, yeah the fact that theyre behind a screen doesnt mean they could talk all the bullshit they want, but still, No good in shutting up people because of that IMO.
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Post by Mario on Jul 8, 2009 21:42:02 GMT -5
Again, I'm sure some of the repulsive things said about George Bush in the mid-00's didn't have Art Vandelay too upset. Grow-up dude. George Bush is one man. Muslims are a group of people. Its much harder to generalize a group of people than an individual. Generalize Osama Bin Laden all you want; you're making a mistake generalizing Muslims. You want to talk about how Muslims are taught to hate Jews... it sounds like you want to stir up the pot. The recent shooting at the Holocaust museum happened on our land, not the middle east. And it was committed by a non Islamic American citizen. There is A LOT of anti-Semitism in AMERICA. Why don't you worry about your own country and people before you go complain about others. Our country is littered with Neo Nazis and White Supremacists who hate Jews. Why don't you condemn these groups? They are a lot closer to home and effect us more directly. My point, you don't give a damn about anti-Semitism, you just want to cause more tension and hatred between the Jewish and Islamic communities.
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Post by thechemist on Jul 9, 2009 6:17:52 GMT -5
Again, I'm sure some of the repulsive things said about George Bush in the mid-00's didn't have Art Vandelay too upset. Grow-up dude. George Bush is one man. Muslims are a group of people. Its much harder to generalize a group of people than an individual. Generalize Osama Bin Laden all you want; you're making a mistake generalizing Muslims. You want to talk about how Muslims are taught to hate Jews... it sounds like you want to stir up the pot. The recent shooting at the Holocaust museum happened on our land, not the middle east. And it was committed by a non Islamic American citizen. There is A LOT of anti-Semitism in AMERICA. Why don't you worry about your own country and people before you go complain about others. Our country is littered with Neo Nazis and White Supremacists who hate Jews. Why don't you condemn these groups? They are a lot closer to home and effect us more directly. My point, you don't give a damn about anti-Semitism, you just want to cause more tension and hatred between the Jewish and Islamic communities. I don't understand the reasoning behind this. You people are grasping at straws. The Holocaust museum shooter was ONE MAN. Neo-Nazi's and skinheads are a miniscule minority that has been marginalized as kooks and crackpots, any one of whom would be chased out of town as soon as they are uncovered. NONE are elected to public office. In the middle east, anti-semitism is MAINSTREAM!! look at the title of this thread. Mass rallies advocatin the death of Jews are common. In Iran, MILLIONS of people voted for a lunatic who advocated the destruction of Israel. They beat their women for showing an ankle. Throw acid in the faces of girls who go to school. Shit, they even kill other Muslims with a different interperetation of their fucked-up religion. DO NOT compare my country to those shitholes in the middle east. Am I a racist? I don't know. Have I lied yet? The truth sucks sometimes. Doesn't fit your little picture of "America BAD! Rest of the world just misunderstood". And you are correct: I don't care, in isolation, that Muslims hate Jews. I don't care, in isolation, that Muslims subjugate women. I don't care, in isolation, that Muslims hate infidels. I do, however, care that the big picture is one of a major world religion that is a threat to world peace. Wake up.
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Post by bathqueen on Jul 9, 2009 6:54:00 GMT -5
George Bush is one man. Muslims are a group of people. Its much harder to generalize a group of people than an individual. Generalize Osama Bin Laden all you want; you're making a mistake generalizing Muslims. You want to talk about how Muslims are taught to hate Jews... it sounds like you want to stir up the pot. The recent shooting at the Holocaust museum happened on our land, not the middle east. And it was committed by a non Islamic American citizen. There is A LOT of anti-Semitism in AMERICA. Why don't you worry about your own country and people before you go complain about others. Our country is littered with Neo Nazis and White Supremacists who hate Jews. Why don't you condemn these groups? They are a lot closer to home and effect us more directly. My point, you don't give a damn about anti-Semitism, you just want to cause more tension and hatred between the Jewish and Islamic communities. In the middle east, anti-semitism is MAINSTREAM!! look at the title of this thread. Mass rallies advocatin the death of Jews are common. In Iran, MILLIONS of people voted for a lunatic who advocated the destruction of Israel. They beat their women for showing an ankle. Throw acid in the faces of girls who go to school. Shit, they even kill other Muslims with a different interperetation of their fucked-up religion. As a person who lives in the middle east i must say, anti-semitism is not that popular, but anti-israel government is VERY Matinstream. those are 2 different things, where the second one is very justified (that im sayin as a person who lives in ISRAEL) In iran, MILLIONS of people also voted for the alternative, 1\3 of the voices went to Musavi! (for what we know, obviously there where more) cos THIS group of MILLIONS are tired of the bad realtionship with america, the veils on the womens faces and such. So i again say, As a preson who lives in the middle east, i dont think Anti-semitism is more popular here than it is in Austria or New orleans...
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Post by Mario on Jul 9, 2009 10:36:34 GMT -5
"Mass rallies advocatin the death of Jews are common"
Really? Which countries, which cities? Where you there to witness these rallies?
I've never heard of an anti-jewish rally in the "middle east". I've heard of anti-israel rallies. But I don't think you would try to mix up religion and politics....maybe you would
In Iran, thousands of Jews live normal lives are given rights and protection by the Iranian government you RETARD. Ask an Iranian Jew and they will be the first to tell you.
"They beat their women for showing an ankle. Throw acid in the faces of girls who go to school"
These crimes are committed by medieval savages who are "minuscule minority" And if you think these things are permissible in Islam you really don't know anything about the religion.
You know women get beat up, raped, and killed in this country too. There are a lot of sick people who have a twisted interpretation of the American Dream, but I'm not gonna condemn all of America because of the actions of the few. Who is really grasping at straws?
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 9, 2009 19:50:07 GMT -5
Throw acid in the faces of girls who go to school. proof please. otherwise i consider this as your usual racist propaganda. Shit, they even kill other Muslims with a different interperetation of their fucked-up religion. shit!!! impressive!!!! you mean muslims killed muslims for another interpretation of their religion? holy fuck!!! WOOOOOW!!! they must be mad!!! shiiiiiiiit!!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Armyen.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Year_Wardid you ever go to school or something? yeah, at first i was sure you were lying but over time i realised that you are just less educated than a monkey. okay, but only if you promise to read other stuff than this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_St%C3%BCrmer i know you prefer reading your "best of 1933-1945" edition (with that gigantic fan poster of joseph goebbels) over and over again. but why don't you give history books a try?
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Post by NYR on Jul 9, 2009 21:38:02 GMT -5
In Iran, thousands of Jews live normal lives are given rights and protection by the Iranian government you RETARD. Ask an Iranian Jew and they will be the first to tell you. in all fairness, there was a mass exodus of jews in the 20th century from egypt, iran, iraq and saudi arabia. that's not the people, though. that's the government. thechemist is right in saying the fact that there happen to be antisemites living in those countries. he just skips over the fact that there happen to be antisemites living here in the usa. believe me, i've met quite a few. he also forgot the fact that when joe lieberman was al gore's vice presidential nominee in 2000, a main democratic office in seattle was graffitied with the words "no jew in white house." also the whole thing about timothy mcveigh being a neo-nazi.
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Post by thechemist on Jul 10, 2009 3:59:28 GMT -5
You all convinced me. The USA is the shithole. Those "misunderstood" countries of the middle east are beacons of hope and opportunity for all. Thank you for showing me the light.
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 10, 2009 4:39:24 GMT -5
You all convinced me. The USA is the shithole. Those "misunderstood" countries of the middle east are beacons of hope and opportunity for all. Thank you for showing me the light. where did anybody say that? Throw acid in the faces of girls who go to school. proof please.
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Post by thechemist on Jul 11, 2009 1:50:07 GMT -5
In Iran, thousands of Jews live normal lives are given rights and protection by the Iranian government you RETARD. Ask an Iranian Jew and they will be the first to tell you. in all fairness, there was a mass exodus of jews in the 20th century from egypt, iran, iraq and saudi arabia. that's not the people, though. that's the government. thechemist is right in saying the fact that there happen to be antisemites living in those countries. he just skips over the fact that there happen to be antisemites living here in the usa. believe me, i've met quite a few. he also forgot the fact that when joe lieberman was al gore's vice presidential nominee in 2000, a main democratic office in seattle was graffitied with the words "no jew in white house." also the whole thing about timothy mcveigh being a neo-nazi. I just want to be clear: Anti-Semitism and subjugation of women in the US is the same as the anti-semitism and subjugation of women found in most middle eastern shitholes? Theres no difference? There have been serious discussions of wiping Israel off of the map by legitimate politicians here? We have codified legal rape into our judicial system? Women aren't allowed to leave home without a male escort here? Women can't drive? People are jailed, beaten or worse for converting to other religions? Why are you people ignoring my main point? That the anti-semitism, oppression of women, acceptable racism found in the US are fringe examples of lunatics while it is MAINSTREAM thought in Arab/Persion shitholes? That is such a lazy argument. Do you people REALLY not see that Islam, even in it's MODERATE interpretations, leads to some fucked-up cultures? Do you really not understand or do you just want to appear "progressive" in all aspects of your tought?
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Post by thechemist on Jul 11, 2009 1:57:14 GMT -5
You all convinced me. The USA is the shithole. Those "misunderstood" countries of the middle east are beacons of hope and opportunity for all. Thank you for showing me the light. where did anybody say that? Throw acid in the faces of girls who go to school. proof please. OK. I'll retract that one. I've got better things to do than prove to an idiot that wonem have fewer rights in Islamic cultures than they do in Western societies. FAR fewer rights. That's another of your progressive talking points: force free thinkers to "prove" their statements while you spew bullshit at will. Good one.
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Jul 11, 2009 2:26:15 GMT -5
Throw acid in the faces of girls who go to school. proof please. How did you miss this story? It was huge when it went down - Story Highlights Men on motorcycle spray girls with acid from squirt guns No one claims responsibility, but network says Taliban suspected Girls were prohibited from going to school under Taliban regime Top U.S. commander calls insurgents "dishonorable www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/12/afghanistan.acid.attack/index.htmlStory Highlights Ten Taliban militants confess to acid attack on Afghan schoolgirls Attackers used water pistols to spray acid on girls Girls were forbidden to attend school under Taliban rule in Afghanistan edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/25/afghan.acid.attack/index.html
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Jul 11, 2009 2:36:53 GMT -5
And here's an interesting read with plenty of refrences for you "proof please" types - Acid throwing or vitriolage is a form of violent assault.[1] Perpetrators of these attacks throw acid at their victims (usually at their faces), burning them, and damaging skin tissue, often exposing and sometimes dissolving the bones.[2] The consequences of these attacks include blindness and permanent scarring of the face and body.[3][4][5] These attacks are common in Cambodia,[6] Afganistan,[7] India,[8] Bangladesh,[3][4] Pakistan[3] and other Asian countries.[5] According to Taru Bahl and M.H. Syed 80% of victims of these acid attack are female and almost 40% are under 18 years of age.[5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwingRead through section 8.1 called "Reports of acid attacks from around the world"
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 11, 2009 8:26:44 GMT -5
right. those were the taliban with their stoneage islam. i don't want to defend the taliban but he was talking about iran there or at least he was referring to muslims in general. if you bring forward those taliban dickheads who do attack girls with acid for going to school i can mention all those states (including iran) where girls ARE allowed to go to school, study and all that and don't have to fear acid attacks. point is: neither are acid attacks on school girls a phenomenom that is widely spread among the middle east nor is it a phenomenom that is common among muslims in general! despite those taliban dickheads - acid attacks have got shit to do with religion.
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Post by NYR on Jul 11, 2009 13:36:05 GMT -5
I just want to be clear: Anti-Semitism and subjugation of women in the US is the same as the anti-semitism and subjugation of women found in most middle eastern shitholes? Theres no difference? There have been serious discussions of wiping Israel off of the map by legitimate politicians here? We have codified legal rape into our judicial system? Women aren't allowed to leave home without a male escort here? Women can't drive? People are jailed, beaten or worse for converting to other religions? Why are you people ignoring my main point? That the anti-semitism, oppression of women, acceptable racism found in the US are fringe examples of lunatics while it is MAINSTREAM thought in Arab/Persion shitholes? That is such a lazy argument. Do you people REALLY not see that Islam, even in it's MODERATE interpretations, leads to some fucked-up cultures? Do you really not understand or do you just want to appear "progressive" in all aspects of your tought? anti-semitism is anti-semitism, and sexism is sexism. doesn't matter where it is. for every anti-semitic thing you can name done by muslims, i can name as many anti-semitic things done by christians. if we all do as you wish (hating every muslim), the terrorists truly did win. they wanted war, and you're giving it to them. ...and it's persian.
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Post by thechemist on Jul 12, 2009 11:26:27 GMT -5
OK. I'll call you on that one. I'll name an anti-semitic "thing" done by a Muslim and you give me a comparable from a Christian.
The leader of a major Islamic nation calls for the destruction of a sovereign state. Name a comparable from Christian leader.
I'll give you another. MILIONS of Muslims vote for him. Comparable from Christians?
Go ahead. I'll wait
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Post by Mario on Jul 12, 2009 11:40:00 GMT -5
George Bush said his God told him to strike Iraq, a war that has killed millions of innocent people, and over 4,000 US soldiers. A war that was based off lies, and propaganda fed to the American public.
When was the last time a Muslim leader was responsible for over a million innocent deaths?
I HATE Ahmadinejad with a passion, but two points:
He is a politician and doesn't represent Islam at all
People like to link him to calling for the annihilation of Israel and the people inside of the country
He called for an end to the zionist government in Israel, that doesn't mean he's out to kill all the Jews.
During the Cold War, we wanted to wipe out Communism, that didn't mean we wanted to kill all the Russians
Like I said before, I hate Ahmadinejad, but I don't like when information is twisted and transformed into propaganda. Thats what happened with Iraq, not this time.
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Post by thechemist on Jul 12, 2009 14:09:11 GMT -5
If Ahmadinejad didn't represent Islam, the Muslim clerics who run the country would fire him and pick another puppet.
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Post by halftheworld on Jul 12, 2009 16:52:48 GMT -5
The leader of a major Islamic nation calls for the destruction of a sovereign state. Name a comparable from Christian leader. george bush jr I'll give you another. MILIONS of Muslims vote for him. Comparable from Christians? george bush jr
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Post by MEANSTREAK on Jul 13, 2009 9:26:08 GMT -5
The leader of a major Islamic nation calls for the destruction of a sovereign state. Name a comparable from Christian leader. george bush jr I'll give you another. MILIONS of Muslims vote for him. Comparable from Christians? george bush jr Ok I'll go with it - If Ahmedinijad = Iran's GWB then who will be their Obama once his second term is finished?
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Post by NYR on Jul 13, 2009 10:21:56 GMT -5
george bush jr george bush jr Ok I'll go with it - If Ahmedinijad = Iran's GWB then who will be their Obama once his second term is finished? i'm with you on this one, cause it sure as hell ain't mousavi.
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Post by Mario on Jul 13, 2009 10:58:58 GMT -5
I don't think there will be an Iranian Obama, unfortunately
It's very hard for people who oppose the current regime to gain popularity and credibility
But I hope Im wrong
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