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Post by thechemist on Jun 16, 2009 8:52:31 GMT -5
Look at me. Posting an article by one of the most liberal staff opinion writers of one of the most liberal rags in the world. The Washington Post is the poster-child for the "mainstream liberal media". This would be like Art Vandelay quoting Glenn Beck to make a point. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/15/AR2009061502658.html?hpid=opinionsbox1The Money Quote: "James W. von Brunn (the Holocaust museum shooter) was quickly segregated from the American mainstream and designated the crackpot he is. In the Middle East, though, he would be no such thing -- not some sort of reptilian vestige of the past but an ordinary man and therefore an extraordinary threat to the future.
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Post by NYR on Jun 16, 2009 11:16:36 GMT -5
Look at me. Posting an article by one of the most liberal staff opinion writers of one of the most liberal rags in the world. The Washington Post is the poster-child for the "mainstream liberal media". This would be like Art Vandelay quoting Glenn Beck to make a point. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/15/AR2009061502658.html?hpid=opinionsbox1The Money Quote: "James W. von Brunn (the Holocaust museum shooter) was quickly segregated from the American mainstream and designated the crackpot he is. In the Middle East, though, he would be no such thing -- not some sort of reptilian vestige of the past but an ordinary man and therefore an extraordinary threat to the future. i just did a semester abroad in sevilla, spain. that's where the spanish inquisition started. guess who took all the jews from the spanish kings ferdinand and isabella? it was the ottoman king, bayezid ii. he went so far as to ridicule them by saying (and i quote): "you venture to call ferdinand a wise ruler-- he who has impoverished his own country and enriched mine!" not just that--he threatened to kill all those who treated the jews harshly or refused their admission into the ottoman empire. furthermore, what is called the golden age of jews in spain (and the iberian pensinsula) was under the moorish kings. i'm not saying that every muslim treats jews well. i'm also not saying that every muslim hates jews either. (i'm not saying that about the other way around, either.) you need to look at history. nearly every european country has had expulsion or racist laws against jews. the jews have been persecuted against to a massive effect in great britain, portugal, spain, russia/ussr, germany (obviously), austria, hungary, italy, france, slovakia/czech republic/czechoslovakia, belgium, poland, ukraine, among others. does it mean i hate them? no. will i continue to not hate muslims, even with your failed smear and fear tactics? yes.it's amazing how liberal you think i am. i was actually a registered republican... up until sarah palin entered the picture, that is. just because i don't hate muslims and want to give our president a chance before wanting him gone within his first six months doesn't make me a liberal. that makes me someone who thinks before speaking and forming opinions. you know, a rational person. try it sometimes.
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Post by eva on Jun 16, 2009 13:58:54 GMT -5
thechemist, what's the point in joining an Oasis forum just to post hatred statements? either you're person with too much time on your hands trying to wind people up or an alter ego of a member who's very hypocritical to post what he really thinks with his own account. either way, you're a sad sad person and I think you're in the wrong forum.
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Post by NYR on Jun 16, 2009 14:46:25 GMT -5
i've been waiting for a mod to say something. will somebody ban his isp?
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Post by bathqueen on Jun 16, 2009 15:41:36 GMT -5
Look at me. Posting an article by one of the most liberal staff opinion writers of one of the most liberal rags in the world. The Washington Post is the poster-child for the "mainstream liberal media". This would be like Art Vandelay quoting Glenn Beck to make a point. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/15/AR2009061502658.html?hpid=opinionsbox1The Money Quote: "James W. von Brunn (the Holocaust museum shooter) was quickly segregated from the American mainstream and designated the crackpot he is. In the Middle East, though, he would be no such thing -- not some sort of reptilian vestige of the past but an ordinary man and therefore an extraordinary threat to the future. Must addmit im jewish and i have no idea what the hell this guy is sayin... Anyway i can help ya man?
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Post by Mario on Jun 16, 2009 16:26:51 GMT -5
bathqueen, there is a good reason why you don't understand what thechemist is saying. He's spewing ignorant and racist comments that are FALSE. I doubt you can help him either.....he needs professional help.
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Post by thechemist on Jun 16, 2009 20:02:03 GMT -5
A couple of things; - This article is by a VERY smart, PROGRESSIVE guy. Read it. - Second. I did not spew hate here. I posted an article by a very smart, articulate PROGRESSIVE guy. - I believe this portion of the forum is intended for trading ideas that are political in nature. I am an Oasis fan, so I'm starting this exchange of ideas with people with whom I have something in common. I fail to see the problem. - Bootleg Queen. If I'm so offensive. Ban me. While you're at it, ban all ideas you don't agree with. - I wasn't a member here during the long, dark years of the Bush administration, but I'll bet Bush supporters were regularly ridiculed as knuckledragging mouth-breathers and worse with little complaints from any crybabies. I fail to see the difference.
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Post by globe on Jun 17, 2009 2:57:53 GMT -5
- Second. I did not spew hate here. Maybe not in this thread, but in others you have.
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Post by bathqueen on Jun 17, 2009 3:35:34 GMT -5
bathqueen, there is a good reason why you don't understand what thechemist is saying. He's spewing ignorant and racist comments that are FALSE. I doubt you can help him either.....he needs professional help. So i read some of this guys posts (however could i miss the gunman thread??) and i understand what a tactless guy were dealing here, nevertheless, i think he phramses himself in a very mature and calmed way, therefor i believe bannin him would be only because of his opinions and i'm against it. No matter how strongly we believe that this guy is just a 'troll' and that he only says things to annoy and hurt, we cant be SURE of that and bannin him because we think "we know the type of person" isnt right...
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Post by eva on Jun 17, 2009 6:56:34 GMT -5
A couple of things; - This article is by a VERY smart, PROGRESSIVE guy. Read it. - Second. I did not spew hate here. I posted an article by a very smart, articulate PROGRESSIVE guy. - I believe this portion of the forum is intended for trading ideas that are political in nature. I am an Oasis fan, so I'm starting this exchange of ideas with people with whom I have something in common. I fail to see the problem. - Bootleg Queen. If I'm so offensive. Ban me. While you're at it, ban all ideas you don't agree with. - I wasn't a member here during the long, dark years of the Bush administration, but I'll bet Bush supporters were regularly ridiculed as knuckledragging mouth-breathers and worse with little complaints from any crybabies. I fail to see the difference. worse people than you hadn't been banned. I can understand why you're still here. since you "recently" joined the forum, I suggest you read the Forum rules. live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Newbie&action=display&thread=28164you know what, I know you barely step outside this forum section, so I'll just copy and paste it here now, here's some progressive smart reading for you to do in the next few seconds
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Post by ToneBender on Jun 17, 2009 7:01:17 GMT -5
Many people believed that Hitler was mature and calm as well. This poster has spent countless threads denouncing Islam, broken religion down to White and non-White and increasingly stirred the pot for all the wrong reasons. There's a difference between dissenting opinion and breaking the forum rules while spewing hatred for the sake of "dissent". No one disagrees that anti-Semitism is rampant throughout the Middle East. What most people disagree with is the OP's repeated, hateful and ignorant characterization of Islam as the religion of death. It breaks forum rules and for that reason alone should lead to banning.
As for the article, I would hardly call Cohen a progressive. In fact, many on the Left consider him to be anything but. Nice try.
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Post by bathqueen on Jun 18, 2009 2:06:39 GMT -5
Many people believed that Hitler was mature and calm as well. This poster has spent countless threads denouncing Islam, broken religion down to White and non-White and increasingly stirred the pot for all the wrong reasons. There's a difference between dissenting opinion and breaking the forum rules while spewing hatred for the sake of "dissent". No one disagrees that anti-Semitism is rampant throughout the Middle East. What most people disagree with is the OP's repeated, hateful and ignorant characterization of Islam as the religion of death. It breaks forum rules and for that reason alone should lead to banning. As for the article, I would hardly call Cohen a progressive. In fact, many on the Left consider him to be anything but. Nice try. Come on, some guy on oasis fans forum won't be responsible for the death of gipsies, homosexuals, jews etc, no need comparing. This guy just wanna start healthy arguments about unhealthy subjects and i'm not sure he understands that... If he was swearin all the time and spammin, i would say hes just a troll, but apparently hes just nothing more than a not so brilliant kid..................
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Post by Mario on Jun 19, 2009 1:23:01 GMT -5
we'll see what kind of "healthy argument" you would support when someone comes on here and talks about how Jews create all the world's problems.......
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Post by bathqueen on Jun 19, 2009 2:08:06 GMT -5
we'll see what kind of "healthy argument" you would support when someone comes on here and talks about how Jews create all the world's problems....... YOU ARE RUDE! as if the jews come out good from what this guy is sayin! After reading his posts, i can clearly say that if youre not a white catholic youre somewhere below him in his mind, so calm down. Believe me, ive seen enough stupid antisemis who talk crap, still i was able to remain calmed, cos not every dumb kid is Hitler. I didnt like it when Jorg haider was elected, but it was in a DEMOCRATIC elections. at the and of the day, He has the right to speak his mind, no matter how much we think his mind is twisted. PS As a left wing who live 20 mintue from the west bank, i dont need u to teach me how muslims feel when they meet this kind of things, i can assure u, that this guys statments wouldnt move a hair in my muslim friends armpit.
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Post by NYR on Jun 19, 2009 11:21:59 GMT -5
both mario and bathqueen have good points to raise. mario is right that attacks on certain groups are tended to more sensitively, such as jews, while others like christians and muslims are overlooked. while thechemist does have freedom of speech, there is a fine, fine line when it comes to racism. hate speech is an easy road to hate crimes. hitler wasn't like that when he was born. people are a product of their environment.
...and i'd barely call the washington post liberal. they just fired a guy because he was against torture.
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Post by thechemist on Jun 22, 2009 12:23:32 GMT -5
At what point does it become racism? I don't think you all really have a problem with me calling them ragheads and camel jockeys. You're not that hypersensitive. Is it me accusing a majority of Muslims of enabling the killers? Is that the problem? What if it's true? Is that racism?
What if we all need to realize that the killers could EASILY be marginalized and made ineffective if the majority of the Islamic world woke up and kicked them out? Is it important that the US call-out the enablers instead of enabling THEM? Does the moral equivalency that the Messiah is preaching endanger the world? Does comparing the morality police that throw acid in the faces of girls going to school with the occasional American ass-grabber help these "moderates" act like moderates?
Islam, a religion adhered to by 1/4 of the worlds population, has some SERIOUS problems. Problems that threaten the safety and security of us all. The farther back the Bush presidency becomes in history, the sooner we will need to realize there are problems that are not of his making. We might need to go so far as to admit that there are problems out there that are not caused by the horror of western civilization.
I'm just trying to point all of this out.
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Post by Mario on Jun 22, 2009 13:59:26 GMT -5
chemist do you have a wife? kids? Go spend some time with them. Stop spewing your nonsense here.
You must have gotten picked on at school or beaten up by muslim kids sometime in your past.
Just what is your expertise on Islam? Can you read arabic? Have you spoken to a scholar? Or is your information gathered from bombislam.com and the american media?
You have no idea what you are talking about
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Post by Mario on Jun 22, 2009 14:13:44 GMT -5
we'll see what kind of "healthy argument" you would support when someone comes on here and talks about how Jews create all the world's problems....... YOU ARE RUDE! as if the jews come out good from what this guy is sayin! After reading his posts, i can clearly say that if youre not a white catholic youre somewhere below him in his mind, so calm down. Believe me, ive seen enough stupid antisemis who talk crap, still i was able to remain calmed, cos not every dumb kid is Hitler. I didnt like it when Jorg haider was elected, but it was in a DEMOCRATIC elections. at the and of the day, He has the right to speak his mind, no matter how much we think his mind is twisted. PS As a left wing who live 20 mintue from the west bank, i dont need u to teach me how muslims feel when they meet this kind of things, i can assure u, that this guys statments wouldnt move a hair in my muslim friends armpit. I agree with you, freedom of speech is an important resource and privilege we have but there are also responsibilities and consequences that we have to consider. If you use free speech to promote hatred, violence, and division, you are no longer representing the values you exercise. It starts with hate speech…. then you end up with a shooting in a holocaust museum.
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Post by NYR on Jun 22, 2009 14:38:35 GMT -5
YOU ARE RUDE! as if the jews come out good from what this guy is sayin! After reading his posts, i can clearly say that if youre not a white catholic youre somewhere below him in his mind, so calm down. Believe me, ive seen enough stupid antisemis who talk crap, still i was able to remain calmed, cos not every dumb kid is Hitler. I didnt like it when Jorg haider was elected, but it was in a DEMOCRATIC elections. at the and of the day, He has the right to speak his mind, no matter how much we think his mind is twisted. PS As a left wing who live 20 mintue from the west bank, i dont need u to teach me how muslims feel when they meet this kind of things, i can assure u, that this guys statments wouldnt move a hair in my muslim friends armpit. I agree with you, freedom of speech is an important resource and privilege we have but there are also responsibilities and consequences that we have to consider. If you use free speech to promote hatred, violence, and division, you are no longer representing the values you exercise. It starts with hate speech…. then you end up with a shooting in a holocaust museum. i absolutely agree. +k
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Post by thechemist on Jun 22, 2009 18:12:43 GMT -5
So Mario. Do I need an advanced degree or will an undergraduate degree in a field of expertise qualify me to comment about politics on a Rock and Roll chat board?
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Post by Mario on Jun 22, 2009 22:20:49 GMT -5
you're talking about religion, not politics. You do need to have some credible knowledge on a topic before you begin preaching to this rocknroll chat board.
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Post by bathqueen on Jun 23, 2009 2:40:15 GMT -5
I agree with you, freedom of speech is an important resource and privilege we have but there are also responsibilities and consequences that we have to consider. If you use free speech to promote hatred, violence, and division, you are no longer representing the values you exercise. It starts with hate speech…. then you end up with a shooting in a holocaust museum. i absolutely agree. +k So, when banrobber asks people to stop talkin about drugs cos some kid might see it and go do some, we all laugh at him, cos he actualy thinks that someone might get that influenced by people he doesnt know, who write on an oasis forum. BUT, when it comes to things that hurt our feelings, this person is immedialy a violent threat and needs to banned.... "Truth itself gets stronger during a fight with a Lie. Therefor, if the things which are banned are lies, they must be heard." - John Stuart Mill
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Post by thechemist on Jun 23, 2009 5:54:20 GMT -5
you're talking about religion, not politics. You do need to have some credible knowledge on a topic before you begin preaching to this rocknroll chat board. The fanatics are barely talking about religion. Discussion of our reaction to them is PURE politics. And you don't need ANY knowledge top start ranting on a rock and roll chat board. Just look to yourself and Art Vandelay for proof.
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Post by Mario on Jun 23, 2009 12:12:09 GMT -5
Thanks for admitting you don't have ANY knowledge on this topic, thats all I needed to hear
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Post by NYR on Jun 23, 2009 13:00:52 GMT -5
i love how he calls me art vandelay. he knows how to make me all fuzzy inside. So, when banrobber asks people to stop talkin about drugs cos some kid might see it and go do some, we all laugh at him, cos he actualy thinks that someone might get that influenced by people he doesnt know, who write on an oasis forum. BUT, when it comes to things that hurt our feelings, this person is immedialy a violent threat and needs to banned.... "Truth itself gets stronger during a fight with a Lie. Therefor, if the things which are banned are lies, they must be heard." - John Stuart Mill that's comparing apples with oranges. i haven't read the original post that caused that whole thing to happen, but hate speech is a hell of a lot different than talking about drugs. was that person telling people to take drugs or something? hurting someone's feelings is calling that person an asshole, prick, etc. attacking a group of people due to their religion, color, sexuality or whatever is an entirely different ballgame. that's a vicious attack.
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