My point was that many liam-sung songs Noel performs just sound like shit live, especially Champagne supernova, which really makes me want to murder people, he has the right to sing them as he wrote them, like Liam has the right to sing them as he was the one they were wrote for(we're talking about the 3 first albums). And i think that your counter-argument is really stupid tho, because "all the songs he(Noel) wrote" aren't associated with Noel, excepted dlbia, etc...
They are associated with him in the sense that he wrote them and was the primary figure in realizing them.
I don't think so, that is not my definition of associated, to me dlbia is associated to noel, and Champagne supernova and the vast majority(minus 2) of the 3 first albums are associated to Liam.
I just don’t think it’s a very good analogy. You can be a great song writer and not necessarily be able to to justice to those songs with your voice, Noel has basically admitted this himself by his setlist choices and comments on why he doesn’t do certain songs.
That isn’t a dig a Noel, that was beauty of having Liam alongside him. I don’t agree that he should drop Liam sung songs, he wrote them and he can sing what he wants but that doesn’t mean he can carry them all off.
Fair enough but I didn't know why Fade In-Out made that suggestion, which is why I asked the question. If his reason is that Noel can't pull off any of the songs that someone else sang on record but can somehow pull off the songs he has sung on record, then I can understand your point, though I don't think it's a particularly good stance. Yes, some songwriters can't pull off their own songs and usually that means all of their songs. But Noel can pull off songs and he didn't seem to write specifically for Liam's voice so I'm not sure I find that argument convincing. I think the reason why he doesn't sing a song like Live Forever is not necessarily that he can't do it justice (even if that's what he himself says) but that it's so associated with Liam that it would seem odd. And there's something to that, I suppose.
However, if Fade In-Out's argument is that Noel shouldn't sing any song Liam sang strictly because they are associated with Liam, then a plausible counter-argument is that Liam shouldn't sing any song that is associated with Noel, meaning all the songs he wrote.
My point was that many liam-sung songs Noel performs just sound like shit live, especially Champagne supernova, which really makes me want to murder people, he has the right to sing them as he wrote them, like Liam has the right to sing them as he was the one they were wrote for(we're talking about the 3 first albums). And i think that your counter-argument is really stupid tho, because "all the songs he(Noel) wrote" aren't associated with Noel, excepted dlbia, etc...
Post by Fade In-Out on Dec 12, 2017 7:03:27 GMT -5
That "bad" guy should start his own noel4ever forum i guess, i understand that you can prefer dlbia over wonderwall or even noel over liam, i'm ok with that but facts are fuckin facts!
Wonderwall is way more popular than dlbia no matter where you are from, maybe in tve uk since bombing it got as big or bigger but worldwide everybody knows oasis for wonderwall, if you're on holidays with fols playin guitar the first song will be wonderwall for sure, and the singalong is a bad argument, i think live forever has a massove singalong in lives as much as dlbia but do i say its more popular? No cos thats not true.
Wonderwall been voted best english song of all time by xfm in 2010 if u wanna play with meaningless polls.
Post by Fade In-Out on Nov 23, 2017 9:53:15 GMT -5
As much as i'm really not disappointed in this album, i forgot how hard it was to listen for one hour to Noels voice... Makes me believe once more that Liams voice WAS the sound of oasis..
Post by Fade In-Out on Nov 22, 2017 18:37:06 GMT -5
Yup, was not sure bouy beautiful world live version, then when it was released on spotify i was back from a smoking/movie night i just lied down on my bed listening to beautiful world and i started to feel some sympathy for Noels new work
This is my thoughts after giving the album a repeated listen today. I could change my mind after more listens. I wish there had been more faster tracks like Holy Mountain.
Overall, a great album, but it is becoming apparent the instrumentals replacing normal songs is leaving me feeling short changed.
Fort Knox - 6/10 - Good opener but I can see myself skipping this one.
Holy Mountain - 9/10 - still one of the best tracks on the album. I loved it when I first heard it, and my opinion hasn't changed over time. Maybe I like it even more now in context of the album itself.
Keep on Reachin' - 5/10 - Not overly keen on this one
It's a Beautiful World 7/10 - I like it, but I don't love it
She Taught To Me How To Fly - 9/10 - another standout track for me. Upbeat, happy, summer.
Be Careful What You Wish For - 3/10 - weakest song on the album. Sounds like we are back in DOYS territory
Black & White Sunshine - 8/10 - upbeat, happy track. Another great one.
Interlude - 5/10 - ok, but pointless
If Love is the Law - 8/10 - another great upbeat track. Could go up a point on repeat listens
The Man Who Built The Moon - 8/10 - solid, big tune. DYKWIM meets Gas Panic, but actually much better
End credit - 6/10 - ok, but again pointless
Dead in the Water 7/10 - we are back in strong B side territory with this one, but more B side from Oasis Mk2 era. Good song.
Still can't believe how you rate hm that high but i agree with the rest of your review
Post by Fade In-Out on Nov 22, 2017 12:55:49 GMT -5
Just made myself a playlist, your thoughts? Share yours too
1-Fort knox 2-WoG 3-IABW 4-STMHTF 5-Greedy soul 6-Bold 7-Love is The Law 8-CBTM 9-Better Run 10-Interlude 11-TMWBTM 12-All I Need Bonus: 13-All my people 14-Dead in The Water
I think the reason why conversation has been so civil after WBTM's release is, just lot Liam with As You Were, Noel released an album strong enough to silence when his harshest critics. I've also seen some people who were previously the most vocal about how weak Holy Mountain and It's a Beautiful World were falling head over heels in love with some of the songs we hadn't heard. Which is always good to see.
Thats exactly me, really hated HM and bad a bad feeling bout the rest, but the album is good overall so now I'm just happy i have two good gallagher albums.
Post by Fade In-Out on Nov 21, 2017 11:17:10 GMT -5
AYW:8 WBTM:7.5
As you were is safer i really am in love with most of the WBTM first seemed horrible to me after i heard Holy Shi..Mountain but what's not this song in this album sounds cool.
Post by Fade In-Out on Nov 21, 2017 11:13:21 GMT -5
As a Parka Monkey, i really loved as you were even if it felt really safe for liam, i'm rating songs as i listen to them for the first time:
Fort Knox:8 great, great opener.
Holy Mountain:3 Can't stand that song i have to skip it once more
Keep on reaching:6.5 but could reach more, it sounds like a grower
Beautiful World:7.5 good bass, i like the vibe and even if the french part seems cringy for a french like me, it adds a good feeling to the song. Lacks a bigger climax maybe.
She Taught me how to fly:7 Way better than live version, super cool strokes-like riff.
Be careful what you wish for:6 really lacks one variation of the verse, or a chorus, sounds unfinished.
Black and white sunshine:6 Nothing special on this one, maybe a grower since the chorus is cool.
Interlude(I):7.5 I really love instrumentals in general, comes at the right time, just when i start being bored.
If Love is the Law:8.5 F*ck me that's really good, excellent chorus and goid verses, instruments in the chorus sound f*ckin awesome
The man Who built the moon:9 Really love the distorded synth sound during the intro and then chorus, all the instrumentation is really awesome, one of the highlights of the album for sure, made me bang my head really badly
Interlude(II):7.5 Good instrumental, the two songs between both interludes are the best ones and this makes the ending sound really good.
Dead in the Water: Sounds like a Noel Gallagher song, like Talk Tonight, Sad Song, etc...It is really good and i get why it isnt on the album, wouldn't fit that well, sounds like a good oasis b-side
God Help us All:Meh
I was worried as hell after hearing to one of the song i hate the most in my entire life(holy mountain) but turns out that the album is good, like As you were i think the first part is good(i deleted HM so i don't count it) then it gets kinda meh for two songs( better run and i get by in AYW, the two songs before interlude here) then has a wonderfun ending quartet.
7.5/10, don't think the mark will get higher but it has really good moments o will surely listen again. I get why NG seemed so confident, even with this shit first single, the album is not revolutionnary but it is a great evolution of Noel solo career which i think wad kinda "meh" over two first albums.
Looks like he won’t be on Jonesys jukebox now. Shame.
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I Guess you were also in the "so it starts" team when liam had to walk away from stage in lollapalooza It's really bad from him to cancel a radio interview we already heard 10 times, gonna destroy the job he did on all these months
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