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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 9:29:21 GMT -5
Which basically means none of us really know the real numbers. Which means none of know what's really going on. Which means we should all be open to opinion and not believing everything we are told. and also means you shouldn't dismiss it like it's a common flu or that you're safe from it because you're young and healthy I base my beliefs on scientific data, reports from independent doctors etc. I do not believe or trust anything from BBC, Daily Mail, NBC etc. From what I've read and from my experience, I have decided what to believe. But I am always open to changing my mind and being open to discussion, if I'm provided with something convincing, unlike everyone else here who has chosen a side and is offended by anything that opposes their belief. So wear your masks, social distance, wash your hands and carry on living in fear.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 9:24:00 GMT -5
How can test kits be reliable, or vaccines be produced for a virus that hasn't been isolated? I’m afraid I can’t answer those questions, I’m not a scientist or a doctor. I do know a scientist though who works for Leica and who has given me lots of good information on how this and other viruses work. I’ve also been reading about COVID by other prominent scientists and have no reason to believe why any of them would be involved in any sort of conspiracy - the type of which you and your tinfoil hat wearing mate from Belgrade seem to think is happening. I don’t think we’ll see the full impact of COVID until 5/10 years down the road when people who have had it start experiencing other issues. Lol, ok mate, you keep following the herd. And you're right about the impact down the line, but it will be from the result of poverty and economic disaster, not deaths from a virus.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 8:05:51 GMT -5
That's such an overused reply. You haven't acknowledged my reply on those numbers being increased by non Covid deaths. there's no way to know the excess mortality because there isn't enough data numbers differ for many reasons in some countries they only count the deaths that occur in hospitals. in others only those that have been tested there's also less traffic so fewer ammount of accidents Which basically means none of us really know the real numbers. Which means none of know what's really going on. Which means we should all be open to opinion and not believing everything we are told.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 7:20:30 GMT -5
This is also from your link: 'First, not everyone who died of COVID-19 is known to have died of that disease, for example when no test for the virus was conducted. And second, it captures the indirect mortality impact of the pandemic. The impact of the pandemic can overwhelm the healthcare system so that people die of other causes of death. Excess mortality is then a more comprehensive measure of the death count during the pandemic.' If these deaths are counted toward the total, then the numbers are going to be higher. More people are dying indirectly, than of the virus itself. From the link I provided: "Four infectious disease doctors in Canada estimate that the individual rate of death from COVID-19 for people under 65 years of age is six per million people, or 0.0006 per cent - 1 in 166,666, which is "roughly equivalent to the risk of dying from a motor vehicle accident during the same time period." yes! to be young and healthy... let's focus only on the tiny small threat for people under 65 only who cares about old folks, they're gonna die soon anyway, right? That's such an overused reply. You haven't acknowledged my reply on those numbers being increased by non Covid deaths. More old people are dying from being denied health care, operations etc, because hospitals are too concerned with this 'virus'. This is what you should be angry about.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 6:57:15 GMT -5
I don't know where that % comes from, the numbers are much higher: ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-------------- numbers aside, the disregard towards a fellow person because most deaths occur in "older, fat or sick" people is mind boggling. me and my mates are fine, I don't care about anyone else. fascinating behaviour This is also from your link: 'First, not everyone who died of COVID-19 is known to have died of that disease, for example when no test for the virus was conducted. And second, it captures the indirect mortality impact of the pandemic. The impact of the pandemic can overwhelm the healthcare system so that people die of other causes of death. Excess mortality is then a more comprehensive measure of the death count during the pandemic.' If these deaths are counted toward the total, then the numbers are going to be higher. More people are dying indirectly, than of the virus itself. From the link I provided: "Four infectious disease doctors in Canada estimate that the individual rate of death from COVID-19 for people under 65 years of age is six per million people, or 0.0006 per cent - 1 in 166,666, which is "roughly equivalent to the risk of dying from a motor vehicle accident during the same time period."
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 6:44:30 GMT -5
Because the tiny amount of deaths that do occur, do not warrant a worldwide lockdown and the destruction of the economy and peoples social lives. You also cannot provide any sources. So now you agree that such deaths do occur? Why did you ask for a source when you already believe it yourself? I dont deny that healthy people can die under rare circumstances of influenza. But do you not agree that those numbers are ridiculously low? Until I am proved otherwise by real evidence, then my mind wont be changed. The chances of a child dying of this virus is 35 million to 1. Do you think this warrants schools being closed?
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 6:09:04 GMT -5
What other points? Ask me again. How can test kits be reliable, or vaccines be produced for a virus that hasn't been isolated?
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 6:07:52 GMT -5
So please provide me with sources showing death rates from people under 65, without underlying health conditions. Theres also the fact that Covid-19 is being put on death certifactes, even though the people havent been tested for it. I'm not trying to be rude or argue, I'm genuinely concerned about what is going on. Surely you can see why i have opposing views, when there is so much evidence that goes against the official narrative? You yourself quoted a sentence saying that non-elderly people with no pre-existing conditions actually do die from the virus(the fact that they're a minority doesn't matter). Why ask for further evidence? Because the tiny amount of deaths that do occur, do not warrant a worldwide lockdown and the destruction of the economy and peoples social lives. You also cannot provide any sources.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 5:55:52 GMT -5
'The large majority of the deaths in non-elderly individuals occur in patients who have underlying diseases. No one disagrees about that, but "the large majority" is wildly different from "all", as you said before. So please provide me with sources showing death rates from people under 65, without underlying health conditions. Theres also the fact that Covid-19 is being put on death certifactes, even though the people havent been tested for it. I'm not trying to be rude or argue, I'm genuinely concerned about what is going on. Surely you can see why i have opposing views, when there is so much evidence that goes against the official narrative?
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 5:49:29 GMT -5
I am not wasting my time to “argue” with people who completely have a different view on this disease. Stay safe wherever you are everyone and take care of not only yourself but for the people around you as well. I feel the same way. I respect your beliefs, but it's very frustrating when facts are provided here, but just completely ignored. Theres nothing wrong with questioning the official media narrative and making your own conclusions.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 5:34:14 GMT -5
'The large majority of the deaths in non-elderly individuals occur in patients who have underlying diseases.' 'The data that we have compiled allow to estimate also absolute risks of death in the highest risk group, i.e. elderly individuals ≥80 years old in these hot epicenters of the pandemic. These are markedly higher than the risks of death in individuals <65 years old. However, the absolute risk of death even in this highest age category to-date barely reach up to 1.75%' www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7327471/
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 5:16:10 GMT -5
The argument that "all deaths are from the elderly and those with pre existing health conditions or obese" is monstroubly false. It is almost baffling how anyone would believe it at this point. Please provide a source to back up your claims
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 4:59:26 GMT -5
Jesus Christ...bringing up someone who died hundreds of years ago to promote their fear mongering. Absolutely pathetic.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 3:57:39 GMT -5
It's funny how I always wished to live in some western country, knowing how stupid and brainwashed people here are but in meanwhile (or it always was like that), people from USA and western Europe became bigger idiots than people from rest of the world. Some people are waking up, but the majority of the world are sheep and are incapable of free-thinking, doing their own research or asking questions. The power of the media is strong.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 3:39:25 GMT -5
0.004 overall death rate, 0.0005 for anyone under 49... yet masks which aren’t even effective are mandatory in most places. All deaths are from the elderly and those with pre existing health conditions or obese. "All Covid-19 deaths are elderly and those with pre-exisiting health conditions or obese"Dear Jack, would you say that if you lost your grandparents by this disease? Have a good Monday. Yes I would, because it's a scientific fact. Just because I'm stating facts, doesnt mean I'm trying to be insensitive. Again, where was your outrage and panic pre-2020, when thousands of elderly were dying of seasonal flu?
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 3:33:12 GMT -5
You missed my point. If any virus or disease etc was constantly shoved in our face, along with fear mongering, everyone would be panicking about it. Again, you also haven't replied to my last question. No they wouldn't, because you don't risk getting heart disease by SHAKING SOMEONE ELSE'S HAND. Or by breathing into someone else's face. And so on. You see, this is what makes people "panic", the fact that this is a PANDEMIC. And about those "tiny death rates", we should really take that into consideration when THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of people all over the world have died. A 0.26% death rate isnt a pandemic. CDC Reportwww.greenmedinfo.com/blog/horowitz-cdc-confirms-remarkably-low-coronavirus-death-rate-where-media?utm_campaign=Daily Newsletter%3A Horowitz%3A The CDC Confirms Remarkably Low Coronavirus Death Rate. Where is the Media%3F %28Uq5dzc%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily Newsletter&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJkYXZpZC5seW5uQGxpdmUuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiSzJ2WEF5In0%3D
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 3:32:00 GMT -5
0.004 overall death rate, 0.0005 for anyone under 49... yet masks which aren’t even effective are mandatory in most places. All deaths are from the elderly and those with pre existing health conditions or obese. So your point is now basically "fuck old and sick people"? Where was your outrage last year when thousands of elderly people were dying of seasonal flu?
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 3:16:12 GMT -5
The guy thought that flu doesnt affect the lungs. He doesnt know what he's talking about, and I assume gets his covid info from social media and news on TV, as do you. Maybe you can explain why this virus hasn't been isolated, yet were panicking over its tiny death rate? You compared COVID to heart disease and HIV. This fact alone proves that you're the last person to call someone else ignorant. You missed my point. If any virus or disease etc was constantly shoved in our face, along with fear mongering, everyone would be panicking about it. Again, you also haven't replied to my last question.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 2:35:39 GMT -5
The guy thought that flu doesnt affect the lungs. He doesnt know what he's talking about, and I assume gets his covid info from social media and news on TV, as do you. Maybe you can explain why this virus hasn't been isolated, yet were panicking over its tiny death rate? I didn’t say flu doesn’t attack the lungs, I was making the point that COVID is more deadly than flu and that it also looks like it is going to leave people who do survive it with lots of other long term health issues. Which is what the seasonal flu does. Defective lung function following influenza virus is due to prolonged, reversible hyaluronan synthesisYou also haven't answered or replied to my other points.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 2:11:11 GMT -5
At least have the decency to know what you're talking about first. Thanks mate, needed a good laugh to start my morning. The guy thought that flu doesnt affect the lungs. He doesnt know what he's talking about, and I assume gets his covid info from social media and news on TV, as do you. Maybe you can explain why this virus hasn't been isolated, yet were panicking over its tiny death rate?
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2020 17:26:04 GMT -5
And the whole month of June there was not a single day when two people died. One then zero then one then zero... How possible is that? Hahahaaha, wtf are they doing to us. If deaths from Corona were low it's still very very very fucking unlikely for something like that to happen. Wouldn't something like this be logical? 2-0-0-1-3-0-0-0-1-1... But we had this 0-1-0-1-0-1... They put out whatever statistics they want to fit their agenda.
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2020 17:03:24 GMT -5
Isn't that funniest picture ever? Whole June one or zero deaths every day. No measures, nothing. Before that, lockdowns and shit and people dying every day. But what happened on June 21? Oh, yes, the elections. Elections that everyone normal boycotted and were fake and they needed as much people as possible to go to election. Serbian government is puppet government just like 99% governments of people who are writing here. Can you have bigger evidence how fake this all is? Every country can have 1000000 deaths tomorrow from Covid or zero. Every fucking thing that they are saying to you is fucking lie. FACT. Only way is to bring down our governments and see what is real true and then act according to that. Until then, stay safe and work on your immune system. But things like wearing a mask while cycling in middle of summer are fucking diabolic, there are greater threats to my health if I do that than fucking Covid. Stay safe, be smart. Peace. Good to see someone else here who's actually asking questions and realises what's going on. Respect. Inb4 'FuCkINg CrAZy CoNsPiRACiEs'
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2020 16:44:48 GMT -5
And please explain to me how it's possible for a vaccine to be in prodiction, when the virus itself has never been isolated? The Covid-19 test kits test for the common cold and seasonal flu, it literally says it on the test kit. Which is why there are so many positives.
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2020 16:41:05 GMT -5
Because they've been told to. If heart disease, HIV or the seasonal flu was shoved in your face 24/7, everyone would be having the same reaction Heart disease and HIV can’t be spread around by somebody simply breathing next to you. Yes, flu perhaps can. But flu doesn’t make your lungs fall in on yourself. So I’ll suppose I’ll need to ask again - what the fuck is your point comparing these things to COVID? My point is, why is there a sudden interest in the public's health for a virus that has a ridiculously low death rate? The flu causes pneumonia, which fills your lungs with fluid and kills you. So yes, the flu does make your lungs 'fall in on yourself'. I dont know why you're being so aggressive and swearing at me. At least have the decency to know what you're talking about first.
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Post by Jack on Jul 19, 2020 16:04:13 GMT -5
I don't know, 12 days later, me and 50 people that I know who were there in first rows are completely fine. That's cos theres nothing to worry about mate. Take care of yourself in the protests.
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