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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 28, 2022 17:33:25 GMT -5
I'm completely out of touch but I'm surprised neither Noel or Liam headlined before Kendrick Lamar. Kendrick could hardly be any more culturally relevant at this moment, and even if you just want to be pragmatic about it, his sales blow both brothers away. (Even if you combine their sales on a worldwide level they still don’t touch Kendrick.) He won the Pulitzer Prize because they couldn't ignore the force of his writing. He's a vital artist of these times, the way Oasis was in theirs. Was certainly the right call to have him headline, which doesn't detract from Noel or Liam in the least.
Agreed and Glastonbury are just as likely to have acts that are big even if they aren't currently culturally relevant.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 28, 2022 18:14:54 GMT -5
tbf I don't think Noel will ever go on to headline Glasto again, barring an Oasis reunion that I just don't see happening. That slot is the best he could hope for - and he did get it in 2020. And he obviously returned to that same slot as Macca did for his headline one. But that was the first time he's played it solo remember. Liam has already done it twice solo. And no, I don't see Liam headlining it either. Either but reasonable chance both will do it at some point. Florence and the Machine have done it, Kasabian, Artic Monkeys with only one album under their belts. The Verve have done it and played 12 songs ffs! Liam is probably the more likely at this point. Liam definitely more likely than Noel. Verve were capable of headlining Glasto the first time though but couldn't stick together, so that reunion tour was a good time for them. I just really don't see either Gallagher headlining the Pyramid again solo tbh, and that's fine, lots of artists don't get the chance once! (pardon the pun)
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Post by bt95 on Jun 28, 2022 18:18:00 GMT -5
There's very little chance Noel headlines Glasto, or Liam. Those days are gone. Money on Sam Fender on his next album tour. The Arctic Monkeys may come back for a third time next year if they're knocking about on that tour... but Noel and Liam. Nah. I just don't think they're Glasto headline material (whatever that is). It's got to have something about it, some reasoning if you get me. I don't see where the Gallaghers fit unless, of course, they are back together. They'll also look at who can draw the big crowds. Liam is currently bringing in 160,000 over two nights, that sort of thing does count. It does, and maybe he'd be on the Saturday headline slot where they have it for the 'legends' - cause, you know, they're running out of them right now for one reason or the other! I'd imagine the Foo Fighters may do it when they reconvene after Hawkins' sad death (have they done it before)? I see Noel as a headliner at the smaller festivals, as he is, and Liam as a headliner (as he is this year) at your Reading, Leeds types (Noel could headline them but they're not his crowd really I don't think anymore). It's not that they're not 'big enough' to headline Glasto... i just don't think that they're right for it as solo artists.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 28, 2022 18:23:16 GMT -5
There's very little chance Noel headlines Glasto, or Liam. Those days are gone. Money on Sam Fender on his next album tour. The Arctic Monkeys may come back for a third time next year if they're knocking about on that tour... but Noel and Liam. Nah. I just don't think they're Glasto headline material (whatever that is). It's got to have something about it, some reasoning if you get me. I don't see where the Gallaghers fit unless, of course, they are back together. Well they would fit by knocking out 16-18 absolute bangers. That's the requirement for most. It's not though really. They planned for Taylor Swift 2 years ago, but of course she didn't do it so Eilish came in for the Friday instead. Then looking back over the previous years, the headliners were: Stormzy, The Killers, The Cure (2019) / Radiohead, Foo Fighters Ed Sheeran (2017); Muse, Adele, Coldplay (2016) / Florence (replaced Foos), Kanye, The Who (2015) I can see Liam more than Noel, certainly. I just don't see Noel having the pull now to do it, I think he'd admit that himself. We'll see next year. I guess Liam will still be touring this album, one way or the other...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 28, 2022 21:16:50 GMT -5
Who knows. Maybe he headlines next year given he has a new album out in spring with likely “throwback” feel singles. There's very little chance Noel headlines Glasto, or Liam. Those days are gone. Money on Sam Fender on his next album tour. The Arctic Monkeys may come back for a third time next year if they're knocking about on that tour... but Noel and Liam. Nah. I just don't think they're Glasto headline material (whatever that is). It's got to have something about it, some reasoning if you get me. I don't see where the Gallaghers fit unless, of course, they are back together. Liam just rocked out with his cock out back to back sold out nights at Knebworth. He could definitely do it.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 28, 2022 21:35:27 GMT -5
There's going to be EDM/hip-hop/pop next year in those big slots.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 29, 2022 12:53:34 GMT -5
There's very little chance Noel headlines Glasto, or Liam. Those days are gone. Money on Sam Fender on his next album tour. The Arctic Monkeys may come back for a third time next year if they're knocking about on that tour... but Noel and Liam. Nah. I just don't think they're Glasto headline material (whatever that is). It's got to have something about it, some reasoning if you get me. I don't see where the Gallaghers fit unless, of course, they are back together. Liam just rocked out with his cock out back to back sold out nights at Knebworth. He could definitely do it. Yeah, I can definitely see Liam headling Glastonbury and hopefully next year but we'll see.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 29, 2022 18:40:02 GMT -5
There's very little chance Noel headlines Glasto, or Liam. Those days are gone. Money on Sam Fender on his next album tour. The Arctic Monkeys may come back for a third time next year if they're knocking about on that tour... but Noel and Liam. Nah. I just don't think they're Glasto headline material (whatever that is). It's got to have something about it, some reasoning if you get me. I don't see where the Gallaghers fit unless, of course, they are back together. Liam just rocked out with his cock out back to back sold out nights at Knebworth. He could definitely do it. Oh I think he could do it, I just don't know if there's that 'here's why he is headlining Glasto' reason that all of them seem to have had recently. But yeah, if he's still touring next year then sure thing. Definitely more likely him than Noel but personally I would be surprised. ,aybe I'm putting too much weight behind who headlines now though!
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 29, 2022 18:55:04 GMT -5
Liam just rocked out with his cock out back to back sold out nights at Knebworth. He could definitely do it. Oh I think he could do it, I just don't know if there's that 'here's why he is headlining Glasto' reason that all of them seem to have had recently. But yeah, if he's still touring next year then sure thing. Definitely more likely him than Noel but personally I would be surprised. ,aybe I'm putting too much weight behind who headlines now though!
Don't think you are putting too much weight on it, though. They are choosing stars who have global cachet because they want that reputation. It's not only about selling tickets. Each of the headliners this year drew international headlines for their sets.
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Post by walterglass on Jun 29, 2022 19:29:46 GMT -5
Just watched Noel at Glasto.
A beautiful thing.
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Post by starkidd on Jun 30, 2022 5:18:02 GMT -5
Great gig by Noel and The Band. Really enjoyed watching it. But it just lacks that final something...
And for me that's the more rocking songs like Cigarettes & Alcohol, Morning Glory etc.. I'll admit I got abit emotional during the DLBIA Solo. That's the Noel I wanna see! Playing with the signature Red guitar and a heavy dirty sound. Just wish he would rip into the C&A intro and show Jay how you proper play it. In my mind i keep saying, put that damn acoustic guitar with the capo away, and riff out man! I understand ofcourse that he won't play those songs because they don't suit him and his whole solo thing to well.. But i just miss Noel with the dirty guitar sound playing solo's. Lock All The Doors and The Ballad of The Mighy I would have suited that catagory.
I know I have abit to much of a nostalgic mind. but there ya go..
It was a great gig,and I enjoyed it. The Oasis songs sounded good, apart from Whatever. which sounded a bit weak. DLBIA a big highlight, Perfect for Glastonbury. Solo stuff also sounded good. But I wish he played more from the first two albums.
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Post by artumlobov on Jun 30, 2022 5:26:36 GMT -5
Great gig by Noel and The Band. Really enjoyed watching it. But it just lacks that final something... And for me that's the more rocking songs like Cigarettes & Alcohol, Morning Glory etc.. I'll admit I got abit emotional during the DLBIA Solo. That's the Noel I wanna see! Playing with the signature Red guitar and a heavy dirty sound. Just wish he would rip into the C&A intro and show Jay how you proper play it. In my mind i keep saying, put that damn acoustic guitar with the capo away, and riff out man! I understand ofcourse that he won't play those songs because they don't suit him and his whole solo thing to well.. But i just miss Noel with the dirty guitar sound playing solo's. Lock All The Doors and The Ballad of The Mighy I would have suited that catagory. I know I have abit to much of a nostalgic mind. but there ya go.. It was a great gig,and I enjoyed it. The Oasis songs sounded good, apart from Whatever. which sounded a bit weak. DLBIA a big highlight, Perfect for Glastonbury. Solo stuff also sounded good. But I wish he played more from the first two albums. I agree, man. It just needs more heaviness in general. I'm not an expert in sound (man) but Noel's live sound just seems to have this big bit of space within it. It all sounds weak. Look how much Liam's band improved with Boneheads lumpy guitar sound in the middle of it. Liam said something like 'lets see how he sings when the amps are turned up to 11' so maybe he doesn't feel he can compete vocally with a bigger sound. On a side note, it would have been really funny if after the 'you've made it to the Oasis section' banter, he played Magic Pie first whacked up to 11. F*ck yeah!
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Post by Grenskyda on Jun 30, 2022 7:25:56 GMT -5
I was at Glastonbury and watched Noel.
He was honestly mega and the atmosphere was amazing. I preferred the gig to 2019 Liam, and I really didn’t think I would.
Was a properly pleasant surprise.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 30, 2022 8:50:19 GMT -5
Oh I think he could do it, I just don't know if there's that 'here's why he is headlining Glasto' reason that all of them seem to have had recently. But yeah, if he's still touring next year then sure thing. Definitely more likely him than Noel but personally I would be surprised. ,aybe I'm putting too much weight behind who headlines now though!
Don't think you are putting too much weight on it, though. They are choosing stars who have global cachet because they want that reputation. It's not only about selling tickets. Each of the headliners this year drew international headlines for their sets.
Yeah and also with Glasto I'm pretty sure most of the acts aren't confirmed until way after the tickets are sold anyway? This year's was a bit different because a good chunk of the acts kept their slots from 2020
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Post by garylineker on Jul 1, 2022 5:55:12 GMT -5
There's very little chance Noel headlines Glasto, or Liam. Those days are gone. Money on Sam Fender on his next album tour. The Arctic Monkeys may come back for a third time next year if they're knocking about on that tour... but Noel and Liam. Nah. I just don't think they're Glasto headline material (whatever that is). It's got to have something about it, some reasoning if you get me. I don't see where the Gallaghers fit unless, of course, they are back together. Liam just rocked out with his cock out back to back sold out nights at Knebworth. He could definitely do it. Exactly this. There is very very few artists that could have just sold our them 2 nights at Knebworth and the stadium gigs we've just had. Let's not forget Kasabian and Arctic Monkeys have done it and neither have reached stadium level even. (Kasabian did leicester's ground at a massively reduced capacity) Liam is in a tier of acts at the minute that include all the most "relevant" acts in the UK. Whether he's 50 or not.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 1, 2022 7:06:42 GMT -5
Glasto seems to care more about current popularity and trends than actual sales (I mean, they'd probably sell tickets anyway), but given that they usually have a varied set of headliners I can see Liam doing it, he can give you like 10 massive Oasis tunes, he seems to attract young people, he has the name and the presence Noel? Maybe, but at this point of his career I can only see him doing the sunday with two very strong acts in the previous days The only real downside to it is that if it happens for any one of them people will start speculating about a reunion
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jul 1, 2022 16:11:08 GMT -5
Liam just rocked out with his cock out back to back sold out nights at Knebworth. He could definitely do it. Exactly this. There is very very few artists that could have just sold our them 2 nights at Knebworth and the stadium gigs we've just had. Let's not forget Kasabian and Arctic Monkeys have done it and neither have reached stadium level even. (Kasabian did leicester's ground at a massively reduced capacity) Liam is in a tier of acts at the minute that include all the most "relevant" acts in the UK. Whether he's 50 or not.
Of course, age has zero to do with relevancy. Or to put it another way, Liam being 50 is irrelevant! But Glastonbury pays frankly ridiculous fees for headliners, and in a perfect world, they would like people with truly global (not just UK) reach in return.
What you can say about the headliners of Glastonbury this year is that they are all round-the-world influencers—that is they have massive fanbases in nearly every country, they are all making music considered important by other musicians, writers and the culture at large (whether you like them or not), and people pay attention when they take a stand on something (which they all did at Glastonbury.) That’s relevancy. Obviously, I love Liam or I wouldn’t be here but it’s just facts that, immensely popular as he is in the UK, he’s not quite in that precise category at the moment.
Clearly, Macca being 80 doesn’t make him irrelevant, but how could it when he helped to create the very pop culture (and counterculture) that Glastonbury celebrates. He’s in a category by himself.
That all said, who headlines festivals also has to do with who is available. They go down a list. I’m sure Liam and Noel are on it.
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Post by garylineker on Jul 2, 2022 9:04:39 GMT -5
Exactly this. There is very very few artists that could have just sold our them 2 nights at Knebworth and the stadium gigs we've just had. Let's not forget Kasabian and Arctic Monkeys have done it and neither have reached stadium level even. (Kasabian did leicester's ground at a massively reduced capacity) Liam is in a tier of acts at the minute that include all the most "relevant" acts in the UK. Whether he's 50 or not.
Of course, age has zero to do with relevancy. Or to put it another way, Liam being 50 is irrelevant! But Glastonbury pays frankly ridiculous fees for headliners, and in a perfect world, they would like people with truly global (not just UK) reach in return.
What you can say about the headliners of Glastonbury this year is that they are all round-the-world influencers—that is they have massive fanbases in nearly every country, they are all making music considered important by other musicians, writers and the culture at large (whether you like them or not), and people pay attention when they take a stand on something (which they all did at Glastonbury.) That’s relevancy. Obviously, I love Liam or I wouldn’t be here but it’s just facts that, immensely popular as he is in the UK, he’s not quite in that precise category at the moment.
Clearly, Macca being 80 doesn’t make him irrelevant, but how could it when he helped to create the very pop culture (and counterculture) that Glastonbury celebrates. He’s in a category by himself.
That all said, who headlines festivals also has to do with who is available. They go down a list. I’m sure Liam and Noel are on it.
Liam isn't any less global than most the artists they'd consider next time. They usually have one shit yank and 2 Brits and he's better than any of them.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 2, 2022 9:40:10 GMT -5
Of course, age has zero to do with relevancy. Or to put it another way, Liam being 50 is irrelevant! But Glastonbury pays frankly ridiculous fees for headliners, and in a perfect world, they would like people with truly global (not just UK) reach in return.
What you can say about the headliners of Glastonbury this year is that they are all round-the-world influencers—that is they have massive fanbases in nearly every country, they are all making music considered important by other musicians, writers and the culture at large (whether you like them or not), and people pay attention when they take a stand on something (which they all did at Glastonbury.) That’s relevancy. Obviously, I love Liam or I wouldn’t be here but it’s just facts that, immensely popular as he is in the UK, he’s not quite in that precise category at the moment.
Clearly, Macca being 80 doesn’t make him irrelevant, but how could it when he helped to create the very pop culture (and counterculture) that Glastonbury celebrates. He’s in a category by himself.
That all said, who headlines festivals also has to do with who is available. They go down a list. I’m sure Liam and Noel are on it.
Liam isn't any less global than most the artists they'd consider next time. They usually have one shit yank and 2 Brits and he's better than any of them. I think you're mistaken there mate
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 10:11:34 GMT -5
I hate the way that if you say that Billie Eyelash was shite you get called out of touch or don't get it or something.
I'm old enough to say she's shite not because I don't 'get' it' but because I've heard it all before, and I'm young enough to still want to hear something genuinely new and surprising.
My favourite bit of her set was when she had to ask for the backing track of her lead vocal to be turned off!
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Post by durk on Jul 2, 2022 11:27:08 GMT -5
Just now able to listen to that Glasto set Wow! it was great- perfect blend of songs- band rocked it Fort Knox sounded great out of the gate - and Holy Mountain worked so well in a festival setting like that Crowd obviously ate it up Sharrock just drives this band so perfectly brilliant performance by all
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Post by supertronic on Jul 3, 2022 2:38:14 GMT -5
I hate the way that if you say that Billie Eyelash was shite you get called out of touch or don't get it or something. I'm old enough to say she's shite not because I don't 'get' it' but because I've heard it all before, and I'm young enough to still want to hear something genuinely new and surprising. My favourite bit of her set was when she had to ask for the backing track of her lead vocal to be turned off! With respect mate, you don't get it. There are plenty of people who think Oasis are shite and you'd probably argue that they don't get it. There's nothing wrong with not liking something. You can't 'get' everything. If everything was the same the world would be a boring place. Some people pay thousands of pounds for pieces of art I would define as shit. Similarly I would pay £25 for a Be Here Now 2LP, whereas folks would argue I'd have been better off eating the money and boiling my head. But I get it, they don't. There's nowt wrong with that. I do feel that sometimes we just need to live and let live, particularly when it comes to art.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 7:29:54 GMT -5
I hate the way that if you say that Billie Eyelash was shite you get called out of touch or don't get it or something. I'm old enough to say she's shite not because I don't 'get' it' but because I've heard it all before, and I'm young enough to still want to hear something genuinely new and surprising. My favourite bit of her set was when she had to ask for the backing track of her lead vocal to be turned off! With respect mate, you don't get it. There are plenty of people who think Oasis are shite and you'd probably argue that they don't get it. There's nothing wrong with not liking something. You can't 'get' everything. If everything was the same the world would be a boring place. Some people pay thousands of pounds for pieces of art I would define as shit. Similarly I would pay £25 for a Be Here Now 2LP, whereas folks would argue I'd have been better off eating the money and boiling my head. But I get it, they don't. There's nowt wrong with that. I do feel that sometimes we just need to live and let live, particularly when it comes to art. with respect mate, which bit don't I 'get'?
I mentioned two reasons why I don't like Billie Eyelash (they are many more). I have close friends who hate anything to do with the gallaghers. I don't tell them they're incapable of understanding the appeal for some reason.
I don't really understand how you transfer a comment regarding how showing dislike for something is put down to not being able to understand it, and then you go on to say that appreciation of music and art is subjective.
It's the point I was making. so you've just proved my point haven't you?
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Post by plaskins1 on Jul 3, 2022 9:27:24 GMT -5
Early rumours for headliners next year are Elton John, Taylor Swift and Arctic Monkeys. If Liam is still touring guess would be take a sub slot before AM?
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Post by tiger40 on Jul 3, 2022 12:45:07 GMT -5
There's now an audio (radio broadcast) of Noel's Glastonbury set available on YouTube so I've added it to my list on YouTube music.
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