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Post by mancraider on Jul 1, 2019 4:22:31 GMT -5
I wonder whether the band would receive the same level of criticism if they played behind a black curtain and people wouldn't know who played which instrument and therefore just listen to the music. I find them neither really bad nor outstanding. A sound is a sound. They probably wouldn't get criticized for their look, but the music would be the same, eg, not very good when did Wyatt come on stage by the way ? Did not see the full performance. he just came on for the river. About 2/3 through set.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jul 1, 2019 4:30:49 GMT -5
Bang on. Liam looked pissed off throughout the performance, too. Mentioning the drummer going on strike, telling the guitarist (I don't even know his name) to slow down several times during the set. Drew's vocals on Roll With it were actually disgraceful. The drummer is alright, but a bit vanilla. Jay is fucking horrendous, too. Liam looked relieved to be walking off stage yesterday. He looked embarrassed to share it with a few of them. Problem is, he doesn't know how organise a group of musicians. It wouldn't surprise me if Drew and Dan are actually better guitarists than Jay. It wouldn't surprise me if Liam was. Genuinely.
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Post by RocketMan on Jul 1, 2019 5:06:28 GMT -5
Mr. Brightside is such an awesome song. Johnny Marr great as always
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Post by 2nz on Jul 1, 2019 7:38:30 GMT -5
14 pages before there was the hint of dissent for what seemed to be a fairly abject performance. Don't think anyone that isn't a superfan watches this and thinks "oh this group of session musicians are really letting Liam down here".
He was lazy, angry, the crowd were sparse enough and bored looking.
Won't move the needle much on the charts this week.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 1, 2019 9:05:07 GMT -5
I didn't want to imply they got criticised for their look. I just think that people criticise the band because they know/see who performs the songs and not because it really sounds bad. That means the exact same sound coming from Bonehead/Alan White/[insert the name of a random "credible musician"] wouldn't be received as bad. I dont know, there was a time when people criticised Oasis and mainly Noel, around HC, when he chose to use drum machine over Alan White, altering the Oasis sound. We forgot how good Oasis sounded, Liam's band is just painful to listen to, as a musician. The drummer has technical skills, but the others are really playing either with fear in their fingers, or for Jay, as if he did not care. That other guitarist also looks scared all the time, which does not really help.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Jul 1, 2019 9:44:38 GMT -5
I didn't want to imply they got criticised for their look. I just think that people criticise the band because they know/see who performs the songs and not because it really sounds bad. That means the exact same sound coming from Bonehead/Alan White/[insert the name of a random "credible musician"] wouldn't be received as bad. I dont know, there was a time when people criticised Oasis and mainly Noel, around HC, when he chose to use drum machine over Alan White, altering the Oasis sound. We forgot how good Oasis sounded, Liam's band is just painful to listen to, as a musician. The drummer has technical skills, but the others are really playing either with fear in their fingers, or for Jay, as if he did not care. That other guitarist also looks scared all the time, which does not really help. How he looks is irrelevant, how he plays is all that matters.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 1, 2019 10:29:43 GMT -5
I dont know, there was a time when people criticised Oasis and mainly Noel, around HC, when he chose to use drum machine over Alan White, altering the Oasis sound. We forgot how good Oasis sounded, Liam's band is just painful to listen to, as a musician. The drummer has technical skills, but the others are really playing either with fear in their fingers, or for Jay, as if he did not care. That other guitarist also looks scared all the time, which does not really help. How he looks is irrelevant, how he plays is all that matters. Well it does, it's part of rock n roll history how guitarists are confident with their playing. What if Brian May, Pete Townsend or John Lennon had looked scared. Not trying to compare what cant be compared, but how a musician lives his music onstage is kinda important. it usually transpose to how he plays... Looks scared, play scared, basically.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 10:34:55 GMT -5
How he looks is irrelevant, how he plays is all that matters. Well it does, it's part of rock n roll history how guitarists are confident with their playing. What if Brian May, Pete Townsend or John Lennon had looked scared. Not trying to compare what cant be compared, but how a musician lives his music onstage is kinda important. it usually transpose to how he plays... Looks scared, play scared, basically. Jay doesn't look scared and plays like shit and Mike might look a bit shy but there's not much wrong in his playing tbh.
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Post by shannee on Jul 1, 2019 10:56:38 GMT -5
Imo it's not that the band are complete shit but they are limiting Liam and it's extremely frustrating. After the debut album the shine of Liam just being back is now wearing off. What's next to keep the momentum going is taking the MUSIC to the next level. The band showed us at Glastonbury they cannot do this. It's time to make some hard choices before it all washes away
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Post by GlastoEls on Jul 1, 2019 14:23:09 GMT -5
I was there and some thoughts:
- Liam came across like a total star / legend to the kids - Loads of pyro - Oasis songs monstrous and night and day reactions to the solo but... - Shockwave and River worked so much better than AYW, maybe the stompers suit his voice better - Albeit FWIW went down well near me (half way) - Big crowd - Agree to some degree about the live band comments here but Liam clearly likes them - Wonderwall went down as good as any song at any gig I’ve heard ever - My Dad said “Liam’s voice sounds good; a lot better than in recent years” (he last saw Liam at Beady Eye Glastonbury ‘13 - Don’t forget this is a festival crowd and not a Liam gig - half the people are there out of curiosity just like I was for Vampire Weekend, Janet Jackson etc
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jul 1, 2019 15:12:20 GMT -5
I wonder whether the band would receive the same level of criticism if they played behind a black curtain and people wouldn't know who played which instrument and therefore just listen to the music. I find them neither really bad nor outstanding. One word: holograms...... The band as holograms for live shows, including Líam....use the studio music and vocals. Líam could be doing back flips during songs, quintuple back flips, doesn't matter, they're all holograms. The live show performance possibilities are endless..... Maybe the guitarist could leap into Líam's arms, like in the movie Dirty Dancing, wow..... Think about it.... Thanks.
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Post by importantlyidle on Jul 1, 2019 15:59:59 GMT -5
Liam seems to be getting a hammering for his performance in the press and personally I think it's nowhere near as good as most of the last tour but certain songs you knew he was on it but the band wasn't, I was talking at work today with 2 blokes about Glastonbury as a whole, one loves Oasis/Noel/Liam and we go to concerts of loads of bands together the other likes Wonderwall and that's about it as not his type of music and he's the one that actually liked the set the most so maybe it's just we have the high standards of the 90's and go by that.
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Post by bt95 on Jul 1, 2019 18:31:38 GMT -5
Liam seems to be getting a hammering for his performance in the press and personally I think it's nowhere near as good as most of the last tour but certain songs you knew he was on it but the band wasn't, I was talking at work today with 2 blokes about Glastonbury as a whole, one loves Oasis/Noel/Liam and we go to concerts of loads of bands together the other likes Wonderwall and that's about it as not his type of music and he's the one that actually liked the set the most so maybe it's just we have the high standards of the 90's and go by that. Hmmm. Not really. The NME gave him a really good write up, for one. It was a good gig. For a Gallagher, it was a very good Glasto gig. We as hardcore fans can spot the issues and if for whaetver reason people don't like Liam then they'll just go 'arrogant so and so' etc. I think most people have just raised some valid concerns about the band/Liam moving forward. Bold was a disaster, for example, which is a real shame as they absolutely nailed it on the last tour. So it's like they want to change things up, but can't because they can't quite get things to work. But just on the gig as a whole it was sound. Liam was on top form and looked cool as.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 1, 2019 18:58:50 GMT -5
My highlights from what I've seen were Stormzy's entire thing, Liam singing Columbia, slowthai putting on a propeller hat, This Charming Man without the racist, and Billie Eilish singing When the Party's Over. Did you see The Cure? Robert Smith killed it as usual. It was nice to see him getting a bit of respect on Twitter for still sounding so good at 60. Also, the mystery of why BADWOLF is written across their amps has been solved: the bassist is just a massive Who fan. Can't help but wonder what he thought of the last series...
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 1, 2019 19:09:32 GMT -5
My highlights from what I've seen were Stormzy's entire thing, Liam singing Columbia, slowthai putting on a propeller hat, This Charming Man without the racist, and Billie Eilish singing When the Party's Over. Did you see The Cure? Robert Smith killed it as usual. It was nice to see him getting a bit of respect on Twitter for still sounding so good at 60. Also, the mystery of why BADWOLF is written across their amps has been solved: the bassist is just a massive Who fan. Can't help but wonder what he thought of the last series... I did catch a bit of it, yeah, and they sounded fantastic. I'll have to give the full set a watch tomorrow, as well as a few others I missed. How was the set-list for a casual fan? I know they did Plainsong, probably my favourite Cure song along with If Only Tonight We Could Sleep, so I can't wait to hear that live. Ha, that would definitely be interesting to know. Happy to see A Good Man Goes to War get a shout-out, there, a fantastic episode from a fantastic (if convoluted) season.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jul 1, 2019 19:27:01 GMT -5
My highlights from what I've seen were Stormzy's entire thing, Liam singing Columbia, slowthai putting on a propeller hat, This Charming Man without the racist, and Billie Eilish singing When the Party's Over. Did you see The Cure? Robert Smith killed it as usual. It was nice to see him getting a bit of respect on Twitter for still sounding so good at 60. Also, the mystery of why BADWOLF is written across their amps has been solved: the bassist is just a massive Who fan. Can't help but wonder what he thought of the last series... I love how the Cure ended their Glastonbury set with 'Boys Don't Cry', great song.......not the biggest fan of the Cure ever; I know all the singles, and some of the lesser know songs, respect them a lot, should listen to them more...... Love Boys Don't Cry, listened to that several times recently, love that one.... Thanks.
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Post by standbymoi on Jul 1, 2019 19:31:36 GMT -5
I’ve got a feeling this new album is going to be a lot better than AYW. Judging from how well Shockwave and River sounded live at Glastonbury. Wall of Glass great on record because of production, sounds horrible live. Greedy Soul is just Oasis MK2/Beady eye filler. FWIW sounds like a song for radio 2 Chavy mums as does Paper Crown (thank God that wasn’t played). Should of done Bold with the same arrangement as glasto 2017, dropped Universal Gleam and added Come Back To Me and I’ve All I Need. All in all the new two and Oasis tunes obviously were the highlights
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jul 1, 2019 20:31:41 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 2, 2019 3:17:36 GMT -5
Did you see The Cure? Robert Smith killed it as usual. It was nice to see him getting a bit of respect on Twitter for still sounding so good at 60. Also, the mystery of why BADWOLF is written across their amps has been solved: the bassist is just a massive Who fan. Can't help but wonder what he thought of the last series... I love how the Cure ended their Glastonbury set with 'Boys Don't Cry', great song.......not the biggest fan of the Cure ever; I know all the singles, and some of the lesser know songs, respect them a lot, should listen to them more...... Love Boys Don't Cry, listened to that several times recently, love that one.... Thanks. Have you heard that song Jumping Someone Else’s Train, then? That’s from around the same time as Boys Don’t Cry, and has the same great low-fi poppy post-punk sound. If you want to listen to more, just focus on the 80s stuff. Although there were a few missteps, Robert Smith was on fire in the 80s like Bowie was in the 70s—there’s worth in pretty much everything he did at that time.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 2, 2019 3:31:43 GMT -5
Did you see The Cure? Robert Smith killed it as usual. It was nice to see him getting a bit of respect on Twitter for still sounding so good at 60. Also, the mystery of why BADWOLF is written across their amps has been solved: the bassist is just a massive Who fan. Can't help but wonder what he thought of the last series... I did catch a bit of it, yeah, and they sounded fantastic. I'll have to give the full set a watch tomorrow, as well as a few others I missed. How was the set-list for a casual fan? I know they did Plainsong, probably my favourite Cure song along with If Only Tonight We Could Sleep, so I can't wait to hear that live. Ha, that would definitely be interesting to know. Happy to see A Good Man Goes to War get a shout-out, there, a fantastic episode from a fantastic (if convoluted) season. It focused heavily on their ‘80s-‘92 heyday so you should be fine. And they did a half hour encore which was just their pop stuff. As a more serious fan, I though the show took a little while to get going, but then when it did there was a nice ebb and flow to it. There were a couple of songs that I might have saved for a home crowd, rather than a festival audience, if I were them. But, yeah, see what you think. My highlights were A Night Like This and A Forest, which is always great.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jul 2, 2019 5:00:41 GMT -5
I love how the Cure ended their Glastonbury set with 'Boys Don't Cry', great song.......not the biggest fan of the Cure ever; I know all the singles, and some of the lesser know songs, respect them a lot, should listen to them more...... Love Boys Don't Cry, listened to that several times recently, love that one.... Thanks. Have you heard that song Someone Else’s Train, then? That’s from around the same time as Boys Don’t Cry, and has the same great low-fi poppy post-punk sound. If you want to listen to more, just focus on the 80s stuff. Although there were a few missteps, Robert Smith was on fire in the 80s like Bowie was in the 70s—there’s worth in pretty much everything he did at that time. Not sure I've heard that one.....I'll check it out. Only heard 'Six Diffrerent Ways' recently via the IT soundtrack, great song.... Thanks.
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Post by standbymoi on Jul 2, 2019 5:22:07 GMT -5
My highlights from what I've seen were Stormzy's entire thing, Liam singing Columbia, slowthai putting on a propeller hat, This Charming Man without the racist, and Billie Eilish singing When the Party's Over. Did you see The Cure? Robert Smith killed it as usual. It was nice to see him getting a bit of respect on Twitter for still sounding so good at 60.
They were incredible, WOW. No big speeches or interacting with the crowd necessary, just great music from a living legend who’s not changed his style and we applaud him for it. I only own their greatest hits cd but hearing all those songs from Disintegration for the first time blew me away, buying that immediately. One thing that has struck me since looking at their setlist online is I don’t think they played a song released post 2000! Fine by me, but I’m surprised with them being so alternative artist types that they’d not play newer stuff. Embracing the nostalgia world for a festival I guess, good move.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 2, 2019 5:50:59 GMT -5
Have you heard that song Someone Else’s Train, then? That’s from around the same time as Boys Don’t Cry, and has the same great low-fi poppy post-punk sound. If you want to listen to more, just focus on the 80s stuff. Although there were a few missteps, Robert Smith was on fire in the 80s like Bowie was in the 70s—there’s worth in pretty much everything he did at that time. Not sure I've heard that one.....I'll check it out. Only heard 'Six Diffrerent Ways' recently via the IT soundtrack, great song.... Thanks. You can find it on the Staring At the Sea singles collection released in 1986. That was the release that helped break them in America, I think. It’s a good starting point.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Jul 2, 2019 5:57:44 GMT -5
Not sure I've heard that one.....I'll check it out. Only heard 'Six Diffrerent Ways' recently via the IT soundtrack, great song.... Thanks. You can find it on the Staring At the Sea singles collection released in 1986. That was the release that helped break them in America, I think. It’s a good starting point. I think I have that album, and the Cure's other 'best of' album, can't remember the name of it.....the Cure's such a great band. I'll check that one out..... Thanks.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 2, 2019 8:23:08 GMT -5
You can find it on the Staring At the Sea singles collection released in 1986. That was the release that helped break them in America, I think. It’s a good starting point. I think I have that album, and the Cure's other 'best of' album, can't remember the name of it.....the Cure's such a great band. I'll check that one out..... Thanks. Happy travels, brother.
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