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Post by korky on Oct 5, 2017 16:03:27 GMT -5
This is one of the very very few reasons I hate the internet and one of the most common reasons I hate fanboys, the record isn't even released and you're already starting a fucking thread about what's fucking wrong with it. Fuck up, you cock!
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 5, 2017 16:04:56 GMT -5
A lot less than I would have imagined from an LG solo album. Happy days.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 16:06:28 GMT -5
Again, I think you are missing my point. Having someone put bass on an album is quite different from hiring writers to write songs for you. But Liam has always required collaboration. Have you steered away from every Oasis album because the singer didn’t write the songs? What’s to say Noel Gallagher songs are more/less artistically sincere than an Andrew Wyatt song? Did Liam invest more creatively in other related projects that, given your presence on the forum, I assume you’re a fan of? Is purism worth it if you become ignorant of things you may enjoy? Good sir, I can’t see the argument for all the gaping holes. Have you steered away from every Oasis album because the singer didn’t write the songs?
See above where I note that I would listen to, say, a Sinatra or Holiday song to hear a Gershwin song not a Sinatra or Holiday song. Again, you are missing my point. What’s to say Noel Gallagher songs are more/less artistically sincere than an Andrew Wyatt song?
Because Andrew Wyatt was employed to write great Liam Gallagher songs. Did Liam invest more creatively in other related projects that, given your presence on the forum, I assume you’re a fan of?
No, he didn't. Yes, I am a fan. And I'm not a fan because of Liam's creative investment. Is purism worth it if you become ignorant of things you may enjoy?
Again, you miss my point. I'm not a purist. I haven't established a principle and let that dictate everything I listen to or not listen to. Rather, what I have listened to or experienced have made me realize over the years what makes me interested about an artistic project. There are inevitably going to be many, many things in life that I won't experience that I could have enjoyed.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 16:07:36 GMT -5
But Liam has always required collaboration. Have you steered away from every Oasis album because the singer didn’t write the songs? What’s to say Noel Gallagher songs are more/less artistically sincere than an Andrew Wyatt song? Did Liam invest more creatively in other related projects that, given your presence on the forum, I assume you’re a fan of? Is purism worth it if you become ignorant of things you may enjoy? Good sir, I can’t see the argument for all the gaping holes. Have you steered away from every Oasis album because the singer didn’t write the songs?
See above where I note that I would listen to, say, a Sinatra or Holiday song to hear a Gershwin song not a Sinatra or Holiday song. Again, you are missing my point. What’s to say Noel Gallagher songs are more/less artistically sincere than an Andrew Wyatt song?
Because Andrew Wyatt was employed to write great Liam Gallagher songs. Did Liam invest more creatively in other related projects that, given your presence on the forum, I assume you’re a fan of?
No, he didn't. Yes, I am a fan. And I'm not a fan because of Liam's creative investment. Is purism worth it if you become ignorant of things you may enjoy?
Again, you miss my point. I'm not a purist. I haven't established a principle and let that dictate everything I listen to or not listen to. Rather, what I have listened to or experienced have made me realize over the years what makes me interested about an artistic project. There are inevitably going to be many, many things in life that I won't experience that I could have enjoyed. I am not satisfied with your answers.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 16:08:58 GMT -5
Just curious -- what do you find more ridiculous - the fact that I am uninterested in listening to an album co-written with corporate songwriters or the fact that Liam criticized "What a Life" because he said he thought it sounded homoerotic? Nothing at all to do with what we’re discussing. Niente. It does to me because I have now been called a name on this board (not by you) because I merely said why I am not interested in listening to this album. So I am curious whether supporters of Liam would call him a plonker for saying what he said about What a Life or is that term just reserved for unknown faces on the internet who find fault with the choices that went into this album.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 16:10:09 GMT -5
Have you steered away from every Oasis album because the singer didn’t write the songs?
See above where I note that I would listen to, say, a Sinatra or Holiday song to hear a Gershwin song not a Sinatra or Holiday song. Again, you are missing my point. What’s to say Noel Gallagher songs are more/less artistically sincere than an Andrew Wyatt song?
Because Andrew Wyatt was employed to write great Liam Gallagher songs. Did Liam invest more creatively in other related projects that, given your presence on the forum, I assume you’re a fan of?
No, he didn't. Yes, I am a fan. And I'm not a fan because of Liam's creative investment. Is purism worth it if you become ignorant of things you may enjoy?
Again, you miss my point. I'm not a purist. I haven't established a principle and let that dictate everything I listen to or not listen to. Rather, what I have listened to or experienced have made me realize over the years what makes me interested about an artistic project. There are inevitably going to be many, many things in life that I won't experience that I could have enjoyed. I am not satisfied with your answers. That's fair enough. I'm not trying to convince you. Just giving my reasons for being uninterested in the album.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 16:11:27 GMT -5
I am not satisfied with your answers. That's fair enough. I'm not trying to convince you. Just giving my reasons for being uninterested in the album. Do you have any convincing reasons instead?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 5, 2017 17:46:27 GMT -5
Greedy Soul lacks the bite that the live version has.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 5, 2017 17:47:14 GMT -5
For What It's Worth is alreet, an improvement over Don't Brother Me, but the Middle Eight fucking blows.
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Post by neila83 on Oct 5, 2017 18:51:33 GMT -5
Whoever invited Beady Eye back for a 3 song guest appearance in the middle. Cheers for that.
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Post by catsnake on Oct 5, 2017 19:00:17 GMT -5
Haven't heard the album but I will say that a big reason why I am not in any way motivated to listen to it is the fact that it seems to be co-written with what seems like a bunch of company writers. I suppose that's not a terrible thing in and of itself but it makes me uninterested in it and coming from a guy who is constantly on about being genuine and real, it feels absurd. Wall of Glass had 5 writers on it? What is this, a modern day Kokomo? This is great. You concentrate on the sleeve notes, we’ll concentrate on the music. This way we’ve got all bases covered. Very good point....forever slagging his brother off for being boring, beige and fake....he has completely contradicted himself
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 19:04:44 GMT -5
This is one of the very very few reasons I hate the internet and one of the most common reasons I hate fanboys, the record isn't even released and you're already starting a fucking thread about what's fucking wrong with it. Fuck up, you cock! Huh? Everyone here has heard the album by now man, they can easily say what's wrong with it...You cock kork.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 19:09:27 GMT -5
That's fair enough. I'm not trying to convince you. Just giving my reasons for being uninterested in the album. Do you have any convincing reasons instead? The only position I have taken in this thread (which is not really a position at all) is that I am not interested in hearing the album and gave reasons why. I seriously find it unfathomable that you are unconvinced that I am not interested in listening to the album. Perhaps you have misunderstood my statements and think that I have argued that the album is uninteresting (I haven’t heard it and couldn’t make such a claim) or that others shouldn’t listen to the album because it is co-written by a company-appointed songwriter. If you haven’t misunderstood that then I really don’t understand why you need to be convinced that I am not interested in hearing the album. It seems to me that you would just take someone at the word. If someone told me they weren’t into horror films or jazz, my immediate reaction would not be to not believe them until they convinced me.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2017 19:18:01 GMT -5
Do you have any convincing reasons instead? The only position I have taken in this thread (which is not really a position at all) is that I am not interested in hearing the album and gave reasons why. I seriously find it unfathomable that you are unconvinced that I am not interested in listening to the album. Perhaps you have misunderstood my statements and think that I have argued that the album is uninteresting (I haven’t heard it and couldn’t make such a claim) or that others shouldn’t listen to the album because it is co-written by a company-appointed songwriter. If you haven’t misunderstood that then I really don’t understand why you need to be convinced that I am not interested in hearing the album. It seems to me that you would just take someone at the word. If someone told me they weren’t into horror films or jazz, my immediate reaction would not be to not believe them until they convinced me. I have no problem with you never listening to the album but If you haven't heard the album and have no intention of listening to it...why are you here? You've made your point, you could fuck off if you wanted to.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 19:21:36 GMT -5
Do you have any convincing reasons instead? The only position I have taken in this thread (which is not really a position at all) is that I am not interested in hearing the album and gave reasons why. I seriously find it unfathomable that you are unconvinced that I am not interested in listening to the album. Perhaps you have misunderstood my statements and think that I have argued that the album is uninteresting (I haven’t heard it and couldn’t make such a claim) or that others shouldn’t listen to the album because it is co-written by a company-appointed songwriter. If you haven’t misunderstood that then I really don’t understand why you need to be convinced that I am not interested in hearing the album. It seems to me that you would just take someone at the word. If someone told me they weren’t into horror films or jazz, my immediate reaction would not be to not believe them until they convinced me. But you ARE in to music 😂 You’re basically saying “Man, that food looks good but they have a TEAM of chefs here and they all get paid for turning up for work” so I’m off to me mam’s for a butty. Then you realise your ma didn’t bake the bread herself and she’s used micro-chips and Armageddon ensues. Dude further up there ^ yeah, Liam is a contradiction.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 19:30:07 GMT -5
The only position I have taken in this thread (which is not really a position at all) is that I am not interested in hearing the album and gave reasons why. I seriously find it unfathomable that you are unconvinced that I am not interested in listening to the album. Perhaps you have misunderstood my statements and think that I have argued that the album is uninteresting (I haven’t heard it and couldn’t make such a claim) or that others shouldn’t listen to the album because it is co-written by a company-appointed songwriter. If you haven’t misunderstood that then I really don’t understand why you need to be convinced that I am not interested in hearing the album. It seems to me that you would just take someone at the word. If someone told me they weren’t into horror films or jazz, my immediate reaction would not be to not believe them until they convinced me. I have no problem with you never listening to the album but If you haven't heard the album and have no intention of listening to it...why are you here? You've made your point, you could fuck off if you wanted to. Because this is a thread about what's wrong with As You Were and I thought this was a good space to explain the reason why I'm not interested in the album. I'm still here because people are asking me questions -- like in this post of yours that I'm responding to right now -- and I am answering them. That's fair, no?
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 19:32:53 GMT -5
The only position I have taken in this thread (which is not really a position at all) is that I am not interested in hearing the album and gave reasons why. I seriously find it unfathomable that you are unconvinced that I am not interested in listening to the album. Perhaps you have misunderstood my statements and think that I have argued that the album is uninteresting (I haven’t heard it and couldn’t make such a claim) or that others shouldn’t listen to the album because it is co-written by a company-appointed songwriter. If you haven’t misunderstood that then I really don’t understand why you need to be convinced that I am not interested in hearing the album. It seems to me that you would just take someone at the word. If someone told me they weren’t into horror films or jazz, my immediate reaction would not be to not believe them until they convinced me. But you ARE in to music 😂 You’re basically saying “Man, that food looks good but they have a TEAM of chefs here and they all get paid for turning up for work” so I’m off to me mam’s for a butty. I really don't now why you insist on presenting the same mischaracterization of my point after I have repeatedly explained how that's not my point and then told you what it is. I'm now realizing why you are unconvinced. It's because the argument that you have made up for me is an unconvincing one.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2017 19:34:06 GMT -5
I have no problem with you never listening to the album but If you haven't heard the album and have no intention of listening to it...why are you here? You've made your point, you could fuck off if you wanted to. Because this is a thread about what's wrong with As You Were and I thought this was a good space to explain the reason why I'm not interested in the album. I'm still here because people are asking me questions -- like in this post of yours that I'm responding to right now -- and I am answering them. That's fair, no? I don't think you can really say whats wrong with an album without listening to it, regardless of who it is or who wrote it. You'd be a bit of a fool.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 19:37:34 GMT -5
Because this is a thread about what's wrong with As You Were and I thought this was a good space to explain the reason why I'm not interested in the album. I'm still here because people are asking me questions -- like in this post of yours that I'm responding to right now -- and I am answering them. That's fair, no? I don't think you can really say whats wrong with an album without listening to it, regardless of who it is or who wrote it. You'd be a bit of a fool. I agree. You would be a fool for doing that. But, of course, you realize that that's not what I have done in any way whatsoever. That said, I didn't feel it necessary to create an entirely new topic called "The Reasons For Not Being Interested in Listening to As You Were." So while I am not fully answering the thread topic, I still feel it's the best place to voice my point of view.
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Post by knowhaimean on Oct 5, 2017 19:40:57 GMT -5
Do you have any convincing reasons instead? The only position I have taken in this thread (which is not really a position at all) is that I am not interested in hearing the album and gave reasons why. I seriously find it unfathomable that you are unconvinced that I am not interested in listening to the album. Perhaps you have misunderstood my statements and think that I have argued that the album is uninteresting (I haven’t heard it and couldn’t make such a claim) or that others shouldn’t listen to the album because it is co-written by a company-appointed songwriter. If you haven’t misunderstood that then I really don’t understand why you need to be convinced that I am not interested in hearing the album. It seems to me that you would just take someone at the word. If someone told me they weren’t into horror films or jazz, my immediate reaction would not be to not believe them until they convinced me. The entire album is co-written? Oh, hmm. I still have another 4.5 hours to hear the entire album so I can’t check this info but - my understanding is he wrote 7 songs. Songs that were not co-written by anyone. Have any of you with liner notes looked at that yet? I’m curious now.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 19:43:32 GMT -5
But you ARE in to music 😂 You’re basically saying “Man, that food looks good but they have a TEAM of chefs here and they all get paid for turning up for work” so I’m off to me mam’s for a butty. I really don't now why you insist on presenting the same mischaracterization of my point after I have repeatedly explained how that's not my point and then told you what it is. I'm now realizing why you are unconvinced. It's because the argument that you have made up for me is an unconvincing one. *hits head off of brick wall repeatedly*
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2017 19:43:42 GMT -5
I don't think you can really say whats wrong with an album without listening to it, regardless of who it is or who wrote it. You'd be a bit of a fool. I agree. You would be a fool for doing that. But, of course, you realize that that's not what I have done in any way whatsoever. That said, I didn't feel it necessary to create an entirely new topic called "The Reasons For Not Being Interested in Listening to As You Were." So while I am not fully answering the thread topic, I still feel it's the best place to voice my point of view. Please don't. In summary, you haven't heard the album, won't listen to the album but have effectively rated the album as rubbish. Its impressive ignorance I'll give you that.
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Post by neila83 on Oct 5, 2017 19:44:03 GMT -5
Because this is a thread about what's wrong with As You Were and I thought this was a good space to explain the reason why I'm not interested in the album. I'm still here because people are asking me questions -- like in this post of yours that I'm responding to right now -- and I am answering them. That's fair, no? I don't think you can really say whats wrong with an album without listening to it, regardless of who it is or who wrote it. You'd be a bit of a fool. I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone who likes authentic music written by the band itself, to say they are somewhat uncomfortable with the genesis of As You Were. It goes completely against the principle of how indie/rock bands usually work. Collaborating with his peers on something that interests them both fine, but getting in some off the shelf writers for hire is hugely hypocritical given how much Liam goes.on about being 'real'. And a lot of people are lying to themselves when they say they can't see what is wrong with Liam hiring Adele's songwriters. If for example, Damon Albarn, has done this a few years ago, most here who are now OK with it would have completely ridiculed him. When Liam sang Noel's songs they had meaning, and they shared the same spirit so he could take them to another level. You hear for what it's worth and it's the antithesis of Liam, he doesn't mean it. It is obviously a song written for commercial reasons, because Liam Gallagher would never, sing about losing his way. It's kind of sad to see him being made to be such a sap.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 19:44:30 GMT -5
The only position I have taken in this thread (which is not really a position at all) is that I am not interested in hearing the album and gave reasons why. I seriously find it unfathomable that you are unconvinced that I am not interested in listening to the album. Perhaps you have misunderstood my statements and think that I have argued that the album is uninteresting (I haven’t heard it and couldn’t make such a claim) or that others shouldn’t listen to the album because it is co-written by a company-appointed songwriter. If you haven’t misunderstood that then I really don’t understand why you need to be convinced that I am not interested in hearing the album. It seems to me that you would just take someone at the word. If someone told me they weren’t into horror films or jazz, my immediate reaction would not be to not believe them until they convinced me. The entire album is co-written? Oh, hmm. I still have another 4.5 hours to hear the entire album so I can’t check this info but - my understanding is he wrote 7 songs. Songs that were not co-written by anyone. Have any of you with liner notes looked at that yet? I’m curious now. He wrote 4 songs on his own on the album proper, I believe.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 19:45:58 GMT -5
I agree. You would be a fool for doing that. But, of course, you realize that that's not what I have done in any way whatsoever. That said, I didn't feel it necessary to create an entirely new topic called "The Reasons For Not Being Interested in Listening to As You Were." So while I am not fully answering the thread topic, I still feel it's the best place to voice my point of view. Please don't. In summary, you haven't heard the album, won't listen to the album but have effectively rated the album as rubbish. Its impressive ignorance I'll give you that. I haven't done that at all (I've gone out of my way to say that I wasn't judging the album) but if you are comfortable with your strawman argument, so be it. It's impressive dishonesty.
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