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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 15:06:34 GMT -5
I'm not saying I'm not concentrating on music. I want to experience art because I want to experience an artist's vision, not the vision of corporate employees. Every album you’ve ever loved has been a collaborative effort made by people who love their artform. And Liam has had more creative input into this album than almost anything else he’s ever been part of. Tony Visconti, George Martin, Phil Spector - they all took a cheque home. Well if you are asking whether I think of Liam as a creative artist, my answer to that is, for the most part, no. Also, the fact that you are conflating "taking a cheque home" with being an writer-for-hire suggests that you either don't understand what I am saying or that you don't want to. Again, I'm not even being critical here. I'm just suggesting this is why I am completely uninterested in listening to this album.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 15:08:23 GMT -5
Every album you’ve ever loved has been a collaborative effort made by people who love their artform. And Liam has had more creative input into this album than almost anything else he’s ever been part of. Tony Visconti, George Martin, Phil Spector - they all took a cheque home. Well if you are asking whether I think of Liam as a creative artist, my answer to that is, for the most part, no. Also, the fact that you are conflating "taking a cheque home" with being an writer-for-hire suggests that you either don't understand what I am saying or that you don't want to. Again, I'm not even being critical here. I'm just suggesting this is why I am completely uninterested in listening to this album. But he IS a creative artist. And this album contains arguably his strongest material as a writer 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 15:11:54 GMT -5
It's not a double album. Nothing good is ever too long, give me everything from the sessions!
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 15:13:11 GMT -5
Well if you are asking whether I think of Liam as a creative artist, my answer to that is, for the most part, no. Also, the fact that you are conflating "taking a cheque home" with being an writer-for-hire suggests that you either don't understand what I am saying or that you don't want to. Again, I'm not even being critical here. I'm just suggesting this is why I am completely uninterested in listening to this album. But he IS a creative artist. And this album contains arguably his strongest material as a writer 🤔 Maybe I will listen to it someday. But time is tight and it's not on the list for now.
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Post by garys on Oct 5, 2017 15:16:10 GMT -5
Frank Sinatra, the greatest vocal interpreter of popular music, has exactly one credit as a song writer. Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughn, Billie Holiday, none of them were writers. Your argument is invalid. Roger Daltrey has had minimum input on the song writing of the Who. Maybe 2 credits? Does that minimize his contribution to his interpretations of Townshend's songs? They'd never be as iconic as they are.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 5, 2017 15:16:20 GMT -5
But he IS a creative artist. And this album contains arguably his strongest material as a writer 🤔 Maybe I will listen to it someday. But time is tight and it's not on the list for now. Well, consider me (and I think I speak for Liam here as well) devastated.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 15:16:23 GMT -5
But he IS a creative artist. And this album contains arguably his strongest material as a writer 🤔 Maybe I will listen to it someday. But time is tight and it's not on the list for now. You’ll love it. It’s fucking brilliant 😃
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Oct 5, 2017 15:20:55 GMT -5
But he IS a creative artist. And this album contains arguably his strongest material as a writer 🤔 Maybe I will listen to it someday. But time is tight and it's not on the list for now. You sound like a right plonker
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Post by spaneli on Oct 5, 2017 15:22:12 GMT -5
I will say that people have said that Bold sounds overproduced, and I don't get that sense at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 15:24:36 GMT -5
Underproduced. I wanted it to sound heavy like BOADC (live.) Don't think Liam draws out the it's alright's enough either.
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 5, 2017 15:25:55 GMT -5
Every album you’ve ever loved has been a collaborative effort made by people who love their artform. And Liam has had more creative input into this album than almost anything else he’s ever been part of. Tony Visconti, George Martin, Phil Spector - they all took a cheque home. Well if you are asking whether I think of Liam as a creative artist, my answer to that is, for the most part, no. Also, the fact that you are conflating "taking a cheque home" with being an writer-for-hire suggests that you either don't understand what I am saying or that you don't want to. Again, I'm not even being critical here. I'm just suggesting this is why I am completely uninterested in listening to this album. That's fair enough, but if you enjoy Liam Gallagher, the singer, then I don't see why whose songs he sings actually matters that much as long as they're half decent. What I do know is an album of Don't Brother Me's would have tanked and he'd have just faded away into oblivion, which would have been a massive shame. It's fucking brilliant seeing him with his swagger back, and just coming across as an absolute dude when I reckon most the public thought he was a knobhead. I think he's proved something to Noel as well, which if you're an Oasis fan, is only good news going forward.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 15:26:08 GMT -5
Frank Sinatra, the greatest vocal interpreter of popular music, has exactly one credit as a song writer. Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughn, Billie Holiday, none of them were writers. Your argument is invalid. Roger Daltrey has had minimum input on the song writing of the Who. Maybe 2 credits? Does that minimize his contribution to his interpretations of Townshend's songs? They'd never be as iconic as they are. I am not particularly interested in Sinatra, Fitzgerald, Vaughn, and Holiday either. And if I am interested in them, it's to hear, say, a Gershwin song, not a Sinatra song. I like excellent singing just fine, but I don't privilege it as high as I do a creative endeavour. Same as why I don't listen to The Who primarily for Daltrey's work. The fact that lots of people really enjoy these people you mentioned and the fact that they were really popular doesn't make me more interested in hearing them, I'm afraid.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 15:28:41 GMT -5
Maybe I will listen to it someday. But time is tight and it's not on the list for now. Well, consider me (and I think I speak for Liam here as well) devastated. I'm not sitting here thinking that I've "devastated" anybody. Liam quite rightly shouldn't give a seconds thought what I think about how he went about making his album. But regardless the fact that he rightly doesn't care about me wouldn't affect whether or not I am interested in his album.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 15:38:43 GMT -5
Your question, of course, makes a lot of sense. And I guess I'm just weird but that's really just not what I go for when I am experiencing a creative work. I am sure, for example, that there are a lot of wonderful paintings out there done by paint-by-numbers painters but I would much rather see even a lesser work (and I mean lesser than the paint-by-numbers painting) by Picasso because what I find interesting is the artist's individual expression.
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Post by bardes on Oct 5, 2017 15:41:43 GMT -5
I hate Liams falsetto.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 15:42:23 GMT -5
Your question, of course, makes a lot of sense. And I guess I'm just weird but that's really just not what I go for when I am experiencing a creative work. I am sure, for example, that there are a lot of wonderful paintings out there done by paint-by-numbers painters but I would much rather see even a lesser work (and I mean lesser than the paint-by-numbers painting) by Picasso because what I find interesting is the artist's individual expression. Noel Gallagher sends his recordings off to America for a fella to put bass on them. You’ve yet to hear an artist’s individual expression. It’s always collaborative.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 5, 2017 15:45:19 GMT -5
Your question, of course, makes a lot of sense. And I guess I'm just weird but that's really just not what I go for when I am experiencing a creative work. I am sure, for example, that there are a lot of wonderful paintings out there done by paint-by-numbers painters but I would much rather see even a lesser work (and I mean lesser than the paint-by-numbers painting) by Picasso because what I find interesting is the artist's individual expression. You, my friend, are hilarious.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 15:48:43 GMT -5
Your question, of course, makes a lot of sense. And I guess I'm just weird but that's really just not what I go for when I am experiencing a creative work. I am sure, for example, that there are a lot of wonderful paintings out there done by paint-by-numbers painters but I would much rather see even a lesser work (and I mean lesser than the paint-by-numbers painting) by Picasso because what I find interesting is the artist's individual expression. Noel Gallagher sends his recordings off to America for a fella to put bass on them. You’ve yet to hear an artist’s individual expression. It’s always collaborative. Again, I think you are missing my point. Having someone put bass on an album is quite different from hiring writers to write songs for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 15:48:48 GMT -5
If used instead of him soaring with his lower register then I agree. Sometimes on this album he goes into falsetto unnecessarily but I don't understand how anyone couldn't like that sound in isolation. Wall Of Glass' chorus could have been falsetto, but he belts it out using his chest voice and it sounds fucking mint. Paper Crown live he does the same thing, on the record it does sound weaker when he goes into that range but how you can be an Oasis fan and hate that sound i'll never know! I suppose it's a stylistic choice and I also wish he'd have just sung some of the parts in his usual way, even if it goes a bit ropey like the When I'm In Need chorus but hating it? Don't get that at all.
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Post by tatomoon on Oct 5, 2017 15:55:44 GMT -5
"time is tight" not too tight to talk bollocks on here all day though is it, sort yourself out
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 15:56:41 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher sends his recordings off to America for a fella to put bass on them. You’ve yet to hear an artist’s individual expression. It’s always collaborative. Again, I think you are missing my point. Having someone put bass on an album is quite different from hiring writers to write songs for you. But Liam has always required collaboration. Have you steered away from every Oasis album because the singer didn’t write the songs? What’s to say Noel Gallagher songs are more/less artistically sincere than an Andrew Wyatt song? Did Liam invest more creatively in other related projects that, given your presence on the forum, I assume you’re a fan of? Is purism worth it if you become ignorant of things you may enjoy? Good sir, I can’t see the argument for all the gaping holes.
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Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 15:57:14 GMT -5
Your question, of course, makes a lot of sense. And I guess I'm just weird but that's really just not what I go for when I am experiencing a creative work. I am sure, for example, that there are a lot of wonderful paintings out there done by paint-by-numbers painters but I would much rather see even a lesser work (and I mean lesser than the paint-by-numbers painting) by Picasso because what I find interesting is the artist's individual expression. Individual expression? But most Oasis songs were sung by someone other than the songwriter. Are you an Oasis fan?
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 16:00:35 GMT -5
Your question, of course, makes a lot of sense. And I guess I'm just weird but that's really just not what I go for when I am experiencing a creative work. I am sure, for example, that there are a lot of wonderful paintings out there done by paint-by-numbers painters but I would much rather see even a lesser work (and I mean lesser than the paint-by-numbers painting) by Picasso because what I find interesting is the artist's individual expression. You, my friend, are hilarious. Just curious -- what do you find more ridiculous - the fact that I am uninterested in listening to an album co-written with corporate songwriters or the fact that Liam criticized "What a Life" because he said he thought it sounded homoerotic?
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 5, 2017 16:01:43 GMT -5
You, my friend, are hilarious. Just curious -- what do you find more ridiculous - the fact that I am uninterested in listening to an album co-written with corporate songwriters or the fact that Liam criticized "What a Life" because he said he thought it sounded homoerotic? None of the above. It was the paint-by-numbers stuff.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 16:02:10 GMT -5
You, my friend, are hilarious. Just curious -- what do you find more ridiculous - the fact that I am uninterested in listening to an album co-written with corporate songwriters or the fact that Liam criticized "What a Life" because he said he thought it sounded homoerotic? Nothing at all to do with what we’re discussing. Niente.
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