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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2017 19:49:59 GMT -5
I don't think you can really say whats wrong with an album without listening to it, regardless of who it is or who wrote it. You'd be a bit of a fool. I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone who likes authentic music written by the band itself, to say they are somewhat uncomfortable with the genesis of As You Were. It goes completely against the principle of how indie/rock bands usually work. Collaborating with his peers on something that interests them both fine, but getting in some off the shelf writers for hire is hugely hypocritical given how much Liam goes.on about being 'real'. And a lot of people are lying to themselves when they say they can't see what is wrong with Liam hiring Adele's songwriters. When Liam sang Noel's songs they had meaning, and they shared the same spirit so he could take them to another level. You hear for what it's worth and it's the antithesis of Liam, he doesn't mean it. It is obviously a song written for commercial reasons, because Liam Gallagher would never, sing about losing his way. It's kind of sad to see him being made to be such a sap. Even Noel and Liam don't agree on what those Oasis songs mean to them so that's nonsense. Liam has always attacked songs with what he believes its about whether it be Noels or someone else's and I think he has had a lot more input in these than he would ahve had with Noel's songs. If you haven't realised that Liam as a 45 year old is much different then you are also a fool. One who expects the young man to be the same as the old man.
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Post by thomaslivesforever on Oct 5, 2017 19:51:32 GMT -5
Please don't. In summary, you haven't heard the album, won't listen to the album but have effectively rated the album as rubbish. Its impressive ignorance I'll give you that. I haven't done that at all (I've gone out of my way to say that I wasn't judging the album) but if you are comfortable with your strawman argument, so be it. It's impressive dishonesty. Ok so you don't think the album is rubbish you just won't listen to it because you think its reasons for being are rubbish. That's great.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 19:52:16 GMT -5
I fancy a chip butty now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 19:57:15 GMT -5
Whoever invited Beady Eye back for a 3 song guest appearance in the middle. Cheers for that. This made my mother asking me why I was laughing out loud.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 20:02:30 GMT -5
I haven't done that at all (I've gone out of my way to say that I wasn't judging the album) but if you are comfortable with your strawman argument, so be it. It's impressive dishonesty. Ok so you don't think the album is rubbish you just won't listen to it because you think its reasons for being are rubbish. That's great. No, that's not my position either. I didn't say anything about its reasons for being. I am just saying why I'm not interested in it. Give you another example. I love Bob Dylan. He's one of my favourite artists. But his last three albums are all cover songs - Dylan singing American standards. To use your words, "the reasons for being" for the album are fine but I'm not particularly interested in hearing Dylan singing "Stormy Weather" or "That Old Feeling" - especially three albums in. That's not what I really look for in a Dylan album. And I certainly don't look for three of them. I am slightly more interested in it as a concept because he seems to have a vision behind those choices, but I still can't bring myself to listen to them. Maybe someday I'll give them a spin but there's too many other things to get to that I'm much more interested in. I'll give you another example. I love The Beatles. And I think that Ringo Starr is a great drummer and was an instrumental and crucial part of the band. But there is a good chance that I will go through my whole life without hearing every single Ringo album all the way through. And that's fine -- because my interest in Ringo is not in hearing him sing songs written by staff writers. I realize this came off jerky but I honestly didn't mean it too. I really don't have that much spare time and if I have to make the choice between, say, As You Were and the complete works of Papa Charlie Jackson, I'm going to pick the latter.
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Post by janedoe on Oct 5, 2017 20:02:45 GMT -5
The entire album is co-written? Oh, hmm. I still have another 4.5 hours to hear the entire album so I can’t check this info but - my understanding is he wrote 7 songs. Songs that were not co-written by anyone. Have any of you with liner notes looked at that yet? I’m curious now. He wrote 4 songs on his own on the album proper, I believe. According to Wikipedia, the tunes I cannot stop humming are 100% Liam en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_You_Were_(Liam_Gallagher_album)
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 20:05:10 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. They're probably the most genuine things on the album.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 20:18:32 GMT -5
I don't think you can really say whats wrong with an album without listening to it, regardless of who it is or who wrote it. You'd be a bit of a fool. I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone who likes authentic music written by the band itself, to say they are somewhat uncomfortable with the genesis of As You Were. It goes completely against the principle of how indie/rock bands usually work. Collaborating with his peers on something that interests them both fine, but getting in some off the shelf writers for hire is hugely hypocritical given how much Liam goes.on about being 'real'. And a lot of people are lying to themselves when they say they can't see what is wrong with Liam hiring Adele's songwriters. If for example, Damon Albarn, has done this a few years ago, most here who are now OK with it would have completely ridiculed him. When Liam sang Noel's songs they had meaning, and they shared the same spirit so he could take them to another level. You hear for what it's worth and it's the antithesis of Liam, he doesn't mean it. It is obviously a song written for commercial reasons, because Liam Gallagher would never, sing about losing his way. It's kind of sad to see him being made to be such a sap. Thank you!!!
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Post by neila83 on Oct 5, 2017 20:25:35 GMT -5
I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone who likes authentic music written by the band itself, to say they are somewhat uncomfortable with the genesis of As You Were. It goes completely against the principle of how indie/rock bands usually work. Collaborating with his peers on something that interests them both fine, but getting in some off the shelf writers for hire is hugely hypocritical given how much Liam goes.on about being 'real'. And a lot of people are lying to themselves when they say they can't see what is wrong with Liam hiring Adele's songwriters. When Liam sang Noel's songs they had meaning, and they shared the same spirit so he could take them to another level. You hear for what it's worth and it's the antithesis of Liam, he doesn't mean it. It is obviously a song written for commercial reasons, because Liam Gallagher would never, sing about losing his way. It's kind of sad to see him being made to be such a sap. Even Noel and Liam don't agree on what those Oasis songs mean to them so that's nonsense. Liam has always attacked songs with what he believes its about whether it be Noels or someone else's and I think he has had a lot more input in these than he would ahve had with Noel's songs. If you haven't realised that Liam as a 45 year old is much different then you are also a fool. One who expects the young man to be the same as the old man. Why the need to get personal? And you do seem to like projecting onto people things they never said and opinions they have not expressed. As in another thread where you have decided I don't like the album despite the fact I said nothing of the sort. I never said I expect 45 year old Liam to be the same as 25 year old Liam. I just don't believe in these songs. i don't like songs that are clearly written just to be popular. The same reason I don't like the released version of the Hindu Times. That's my opinion, I'm entitled to it. It's perfectly valid for someone to express the fact they don't like the way this album was written/produced. Why do they get the third degree? Dissent really isn't tolerated well here is it? If you don't think it's a 10/10 album there must be something wrong with your reasoning. It's ridiclous.
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Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 20:31:00 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. They're probably the most genuine things on the album. You've mentioned more than once you don't have much spare time to spend listening to something you're not interested in. But in the time you've spent in this thread saying you're not interested, you could've listened to those Liam-penned songs a dozen times already. Not trying to convince you, just saying is all. You don't like Liam, that's fair enough.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 20:32:35 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. They're probably the most genuine things on the album. You've mentioned more than once you don't have much spare time to spend listening to something you're not interested in. But in the time you've spent in this thread saying you're not interested, you could've listened to those Liam-penned songs a dozen times already. Not trying to convince you, just saying is all. You don't like Liam, that's fair enough. Yes, I am more interested in having this conversation than listening to those songs, that is true.
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Post by macnuggets on Oct 5, 2017 20:33:34 GMT -5
I think a lot of those wiki credits are wrong, just flipping through the booklet now. Greg Kurstin didn't even write Paper Crown, that was Andrew Wyatt and Michael Tighe
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Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 20:35:39 GMT -5
You've mentioned more than once you don't have much spare time to spend listening to something you're not interested in. But in the time you've spent in this thread saying you're not interested, you could've listened to those Liam-penned songs a dozen times already. Not trying to convince you, just saying is all. You don't like Liam, that's fair enough. Yes, I am more interested in having this conversation than listening to those songs, that is true. I guess you had more spare time than you thought.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 20:37:10 GMT -5
Yes, I am more interested in having this conversation than listening to those songs, that is true. I guess you had more spare time than you thought. Good God. Just because I have spare time doesn't mean that I should spend it doing things that don't interest me, does it?
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Post by eva on Oct 5, 2017 20:43:45 GMT -5
you've been going around in circles all day. we get it, you don't like it. you're boring everyone now. please move on
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 20:46:43 GMT -5
I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone who likes authentic music written by the band itself, to say they are somewhat uncomfortable with the genesis of As You Were. It goes completely against the principle of how indie/rock bands usually work. Collaborating with his peers on something that interests them both fine, but getting in some off the shelf writers for hire is hugely hypocritical given how much Liam goes.on about being 'real'. And a lot of people are lying to themselves when they say they can't see what is wrong with Liam hiring Adele's songwriters. If for example, Damon Albarn, has done this a few years ago, most here who are now OK with it would have completely ridiculed him. When Liam sang Noel's songs they had meaning, and they shared the same spirit so he could take them to another level. You hear for what it's worth and it's the antithesis of Liam, he doesn't mean it. It is obviously a song written for commercial reasons, because Liam Gallagher would never, sing about losing his way. It's kind of sad to see him being made to be such a sap. Thank you!!! It’d all be kind of valid but for the gaping holes in this beloved myth of purity and strict integrity in the birth of a ‘real’ album obviously held dear here. The reasons for this being poppycock have been spelled out pretty clearly. All the more qualified for ridicule given that it’s directed from NG fans. I wonder how Stevie Wonder and The Real People and The Kinks and T Rex and...feel about the integrity of Noel Gallagher, the artiste?!? Liam is in great form as a writer though and maybe he’ll push on like Bob Dylan did after his debut and fulfil your wishes. You know, it’s a journey innit 👍🏻 Great music validates itself though <- such a great line 🕶 hee hee Johnny Cash’s American Recordings series is made up of covers and traditionals but Mary-Mother-Of-God they’re just fucking wonderful. Like proper wonderful. As is the new album by Mancunian Rock Superstar Liam Gallagher. Should give it a listen. It’s right good. You have your own perspective but don’t be ignorant of the grey areas - of which there are plenty with this subject.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 5, 2017 20:49:08 GMT -5
you've been going around in circles all day. we get it, you don't like it. you're boring everyone now. please move on You don't get it if you are saying that I don't like it. So far I have only been responding to other people's posts to me. So I just want to clarify: should everyone move on or only me and everyone still gets their opportunity to deride what I am saying without me being able to respond?
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Post by walterglass on Oct 5, 2017 20:51:27 GMT -5
you've been going around in circles all day. we get it, you don't like it. you're boring everyone now. please move on You don't get it if you are saying that I don't like it. So far I have only been responding to other people's posts to me. So I just want to clarify: should everyone move on or only me and everyone still gets their opportunity to deride what I am saying without me being able to respond? That’s right, play the victim. tut tut
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Post by eva on Oct 5, 2017 20:54:48 GMT -5
you've been going around in circles all day. we get it, you don't like it. you're boring everyone now. please move on You don't get it if you are saying that I don't like it. So far I have only been responding to other people's posts to me. So I just want to clarify: should everyone move on or only me and everyone still gets their opportunity to deride what I am saying without me being able to respond? I can't help but side with the people who genuinely listened to the album before making an opinion you haven't listened to it and you keep repeating the same arguments inciting people like a troll. I have no intentions in continuing this, which is clearly your goal.
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Oct 5, 2017 20:55:17 GMT -5
Worst Oasis/Gallagher album!!!
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Post by janelr on Oct 5, 2017 20:55:40 GMT -5
I guess you had more spare time than you thought. Good God. Just because I have spare time doesn't mean that I should spend it doing things that don't interest me, does it? Absolutely not. But I think it's funny that you go on about time is tight and you don't have spare time to spend on something you're not interested in. Then spending hours on a discussion board about a man and an album you're not interested in.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 5, 2017 20:55:56 GMT -5
You don't get it if you are saying that I don't like it. So far I have only been responding to other people's posts to me. So I just want to clarify: should everyone move on or only me and everyone still gets their opportunity to deride what I am saying without me being able to respond? I can't help but side with the people who genuinely listened to the album before making an opinion you haven't listened to it and you keep repeating the same arguments inciting people like a troll. I have no intentions in continuing this, which is clearly your goal. This. You don't listen to the album, then your opinion is pretty much irrelevant.
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Post by pedrobrasil on Oct 5, 2017 21:35:37 GMT -5
Dont waste your time mate! Just enjoy Liams album! I haven't done that at all (I've gone out of my way to say that I wasn't judging the album) but if you are comfortable with your strawman argument, so be it. It's impressive dishonesty. Ok so you don't think the album is rubbish you just won't listen to it because you think its reasons for being are rubbish. That's great.
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Post by neila83 on Oct 5, 2017 22:11:03 GMT -5
It’d all be kind of valid but for the gaping holes in this beloved myth of purity and strict integrity in the birth of a ‘real’ album obviously held dear here. The reasons for this being poppycock have been spelled out pretty clearly. All the more qualified for ridicule given that it’s directed from NG fans. I wonder how Stevie Wonder and The Real People and The Kinks and T Rex and...feel about the integrity of Noel Gallagher, the artiste?!? Liam is in great form as a writer though and maybe he’ll push on like Bob Dylan did after his debut and fulfil your wishes. You know, it’s a journey innit 👍🏻 Great music validates itself though <- such a great line 🕶 hee hee Johnny Cash’s American Recordings series is made up of covers and traditionals but Mary-Mother-Of-God they’re just fucking wonderful. Like proper wonderful. As is the new album by Mancunian Rock Superstar Liam Gallagher. Should give it a listen. It’s right good. You have your own perspective but don’t be ignorant of the grey areas - of which there are plenty with this subject. I have listened to it. I said in another thread it's got some decent songs. But everyone is throwing their toys out of their pram because anyone dares to find the slightest flaw in it and doesn't validate their own opinion. Seriously, some of you seem very insecure in your opinions the way you desperately have to berate anyone who doesn't love it. Are you that worried that perhaps it's not as incredible as you're telling yourself that you can't accept anyone critiquing it? It's music, some people will love it, some people not so much, chill out ok? To be fair, I wouldn't have such a problem on the way it was made if it wasn't for Liam going round shouting to anyone who'll listen about how real he is and that this is real rock 'n' roll. Which to anyone who's listened to it, it patently isn't. Nice enough, but not the last stand of rock is it? I just wish Liam would stop this nonsense, especially all this beige crap given some of what's on his album...blame Liam for setting this up, not those of us who point out the hypocrisy. I don't actually want Liam to write his own album, it's the kind of people he's worked with, and the glaring contradiction to his talk that bothers me. As for NG fans, I know by dismissing the criticism as being from NG fans you can tell yourself it's not valid but you know what, I think both the Gallagher's can be momumental dicks, and right now NG is winning that war (and by winning I mean losing). I'll probably prefer his music but have no qualms in admitting when I don't. Sorry, doesn't fit your little narrative does it?
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Post by janedoe on Oct 5, 2017 22:31:16 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. They're probably the most genuine things on the album. You've mentioned more than once you don't have much spare time to spend listening to something you're not interested in. But in the time you've spent in this thread saying you're not interested, you could've listened to those Liam-penned songs a dozen times already. Not trying to convince you, just saying is all. You don't like Liam, that's fair enough. I might be in the wrong thread. I like the songs written by Liam. I'll head over to the Like group now.
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