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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 22, 2018 13:51:54 GMT -5
That is incredibly sick. God forbid someone has different views on things than you do. Real classy post Overreaction much? How?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 13:57:07 GMT -5
Well, I don't think he said anything wrong. No one is hoping him dying, just stating the fact that his legacy would've been so different because his political views have obviously changed a lot since the Smiths times and many people who liked him in the Smiths-era despise him these days. Just like Oasis would've been viewed differently if they had broken up after WTSMG.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 22, 2018 14:00:06 GMT -5
Well, I don't think he said anything wrong. No one is hoping him dying, just stating the fact that his legacy would've been so different because his political views have obviously changed a lot since the Smiths times and many people who liked him in the Smiths-era despise him these days. Just like Oasis would've been viewed differently if they had broken up after WTSMG. The reason he initially had those thoughts is because Morrissey’s views are quite conservative, and conservative = bad in the current political/cultural climate. If Morrissey was super liberal, those thoughts wouldn’t have even crossed his mind.
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Post by crisppacket on Apr 22, 2018 14:03:27 GMT -5
Well, I don't think he said anything wrong. No one is hoping him dying, just stating the fact that his legacy would've been so different because his political views have obviously changed a lot since the Smiths times and many people who liked him in the Smiths-era despise him these days. Just like Oasis would've been viewed differently if they had broken up after WTSMG. The reason he initially had those thoughts is because Morrissey’s views are quite conservative, and conservative = bad in the current political/cultural climate. If Morrissey was super liberal, those thoughts wouldn’t have even crossed his mind. Morrissey supports a far right party called ‘For Britain’ so he’s not conservative. He’s far right. Thanks.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 22, 2018 14:20:22 GMT -5
The reason he initially had those thoughts is because Morrissey’s views are quite conservative, and conservative = bad in the current political/cultural climate. If Morrissey was super liberal, those thoughts wouldn’t have even crossed his mind. Morrissey supports a far right party called ‘For Britain’ so he’s not conservative. He’s far right. Thanks. What’s wrong with For Britain? Also, adding “Thanks.” to the end of your post makes no sense
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 22, 2018 14:32:54 GMT -5
Right wing nuts always think they are "just conservative." Way to generalize
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Post by crisppacket on Apr 22, 2018 14:39:04 GMT -5
Morrissey supports a far right party called ‘For Britain’ so he’s not conservative. He’s far right. Thanks. What’s wrong with For Britain? Also, adding “Thanks.” to the end of your post makes no sense I didn’t say there was anything wrong with For Britain, but they are a far right party, and since Morrissey supports them that would make him far right also, not conservative. However it is led by a woman who was deemed too far right for the already pretty far right party of UKIP, so it shows she’s a bit of a...character, shall we say. Also, there’s nothing wrong with a bit of thanks, I’m sure Crazy Joe Davola would agree. Thanks.
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Post by funhouse on Apr 22, 2018 14:39:39 GMT -5
I think there's a difference between wishing for someone to die, and just speculating about a hypothetical scenario. Sure, that thought would probably not have crossed my mind if I didn't strongly disagree with many of his political views nowadays, but it was just a reflection of much he has changed compared to his older self, and what that might do to his legacy. I think The Smiths sound just as good no matter what he says, but it got me thinking of future potential fans, who might not feel too enthused about trying to get into them if Morrissey continues rambling in the same fashion, and becomes Britain's drunk uncle first, legendary frontman second. I don't really care about that legacy, but I think that would have been a sad scenario. Doesn't mean I wished he was dead, I just like thinking hypothetically sometimes. What if Kurt Cobain hadn't killed himself? What if they had recounted the votes in the 2000 presidential election? And so on... I guess I could see why that post could be interpreted as more sinister than it was, though. Sometimes it's hard to summarize one's thoughts into one perfectly presented post without the risk of misunderstandings, but that's life. No harm done. If Morrissey’s real life opinions, or any artist for that matter, affect the way you look at his music, you need to learn to be more objective. I just said that I don't.
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Post by funhouse on Apr 22, 2018 14:52:52 GMT -5
Well, I don't think he said anything wrong. No one is hoping him dying, just stating the fact that his legacy would've been so different because his political views have obviously changed a lot since the Smiths times and many people who liked him in the Smiths-era despise him these days. Just like Oasis would've been viewed differently if they had broken up after WTSMG. The reason he initially had those thoughts is because Morrissey’s views are quite conservative, and conservative = bad in the current political/cultural climate. If Morrissey was super liberal, those thoughts wouldn’t have even crossed his mind. Like others have said, he's not just a "classic conservative"(whatever that is). If that would have been such a massive problem to me, I would have had to stop listening to a lot of music that I like. I oppose his views because he's a loon, claiming Niger Farage to be a great guy, claiming he was the only one that cared about the victims of the Manchester terrorist attack, and recently claiming that Hitler was left wing. If 25 year old Morrissey would have met himself today, he would probably not have liked what he saw, and that was kind of my point.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Apr 22, 2018 15:08:09 GMT -5
Well, I don't think he said anything wrong. No one is hoping him dying, just stating the fact that his legacy would've been so different because his political views have obviously changed a lot since the Smiths times and many people who liked him in the Smiths-era despise him these days. Just like Oasis would've been viewed differently if they had broken up after WTSMG. The reason he initially had those thoughts is because Morrissey’s views are quite conservative, and conservative = bad in the current political/cultural climate. If Morrissey was super liberal, those thoughts wouldn’t have even crossed his mind. Way to generalise.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 22, 2018 16:05:59 GMT -5
The reason he initially had those thoughts is because Morrissey’s views are quite conservative, and conservative = bad in the current political/cultural climate. If Morrissey was super liberal, those thoughts wouldn’t have even crossed his mind. Way to generalise. I’m not wrong
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 22, 2018 16:30:23 GMT -5
I'm not wrong. See how this works? Someone has to be right
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 16:33:10 GMT -5
Opening this topic is just as fun as swallowing nails
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Post by funhouse on Apr 22, 2018 16:43:49 GMT -5
Opening this topic is just as fun as swallowing nails I just realised that I was guilty of once having started the infamous "discuss any political topic" thread, as well as now giving life to this debate. Am I the Gavrilo Princip of this forum?
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 22, 2018 17:10:43 GMT -5
Opening this topic is just as fun as swallowing nails It only feels like that when you’re unreasonable and can’t handle opposing opinions
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Post by mkoasis on Apr 22, 2018 17:16:51 GMT -5
Just to show how spending time here seeps into your subconscious...
I had a dream last night that I went to a movie theatre and whatever film I'd planned to see got switched out for a new documentary about immigration made by Morrissey. All I remember is footage of the Grenfell towers in the film.
The next day, still dreaming of course, I run into Morrissey at Amoeba Records in San Francisco. I tell him that I think World Peace is None of Your Business is his best solo album (which I think it is, followed by Your Arsenal and You Are the Quarry) and he says "well, never mind that, did you see the documentary? Did you see it?" And he keeps going on, so I just kind of left him there and went to browse elsewhere.
I don't recall if I found anything interesting in the shop, though I'd be sure to in real life as Amoeba Records is I think the biggest record shop in North America. I could be wrong.
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Post by Crazy Joe Davola on Apr 22, 2018 17:21:53 GMT -5
What’s wrong with For Britain? Also, adding “Thanks.” to the end of your post makes no sense I didn’t say there was anything wrong with For Britain, but they are a far right party, and since Morrissey supports them that would make him far right also, not conservative. However it is led by a woman who was deemed too far right for the already pretty far right party of UKIP, so it shows she’s a bit of a...character, shall we say. Also, there’s nothing wrong with a bit of thanks, I’m sure Crazy Joe Davola would agree. Thanks. I do agree. Thanks.
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Post by Derrick on Apr 22, 2018 17:22:51 GMT -5
Morrisey has been wishing death on people for decades. Quotes from a piece in Rolling Stone. 1984: Morrissey laments the failed assassination attempt on Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher after the Brighton hotel bombing. "The sorrow of the IRA Brighton bombing is that Thatcher escaped unscathed." 1994: When asked about an incident in which an Australian student shot a starting pistol at the Prince of Wales, Morrissey responds, "I wish that Prince Charles had been shot. I think it would have made the world a more interesting place." 2002: From documentary The Importance of Being Morrissey: "Bring me the head of Elton John . . . which is one instance in which meat would not be murder, if it were served on a plate." Good point! He also wished George W. Bush had died instead of Ronald Reagan in 2007, said 15 years ago that he'd only be interested in watching football again if the players were kicking Tony Blair's head around instead of an actual football, not to mention self-explanatory songs like "The Queen is dead" or "Margaret on the guillotine". I don't wish him dead either, but nowadays his statements are so far from the perception we had of the young, witty & sensitive Smiths-era Moz. A siege mentality doesn't age well...
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 3:05:11 GMT -5
Morrissey supports a far right party called ‘For Britain’ so he’s not conservative. He’s far right. Thanks. What’s wrong with For Britain? Also, adding “Thanks.” to the end of your post makes no sense What is wrong with For Britain? Are you serious?
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 5:45:36 GMT -5
What’s wrong with For Britain? Also, adding “Thanks.” to the end of your post makes no sense What is wrong with For Britain? Are you serious? Yes, I’m serious
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 5:49:14 GMT -5
What is wrong with For Britain? Are you serious? Yes, I’m serious Cool, which of their policies do you agree with then?
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 23, 2018 6:12:43 GMT -5
All I want to say in this thread is, although I'm a massive The Smiths fan and they're/will always be my number 1 favrourite band, I completely disagree Moz's views/opinions these days. What a shame.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 6:24:29 GMT -5
Cool, which of their policies do you agree with then? Her stance on immigration makes sense. Britain’s current immigration problem is insane to me
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 6:34:40 GMT -5
Cool, which of their policies do you agree with then? Her stance on immigration makes sense. Britain’s current immigration problem is insane to me What immigration problem?
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 7:05:28 GMT -5
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