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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 7:14:26 GMT -5
Again I ask you - what immigration problem? Explain it to me.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 7:39:40 GMT -5
Again I ask you - what immigration problem? Explain it to me. It’s self evident. The people in Britain come first, immigrants second. And it seems like the government don’t believe in that, which isn’t right in my eyes
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 7:55:47 GMT -5
Again I ask you - what immigration problem? Explain it to me. It’s self evident. The people in Britain come first, immigrants second. And it seems like the government don’t believe in that, which isn’t right in my eyes Again explain to me what you mean by that. Give me an example of the government putting immigrants first before "the people of Britain".
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 8:01:23 GMT -5
It’s self evident. The people in Britain come first, immigrants second. And it seems like the government don’t believe in that, which isn’t right in my eyes Again explain to me what you mean by that. Give me an example of the government putting immigrants first before "the people of Britain". The amount of immigrants allowed in is incredibly high and is not being managed properly. This can and has affected social issues, work, crime, etc.
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 8:06:57 GMT -5
Again explain to me what you mean by that. Give me an example of the government putting immigrants first before "the people of Britain". The amount of immigrants allowed in is incredibly high and is not being managed properly. This can and has affected social issues, work, crime, etc. Right, so you don't have any specific examples of what you are claiming, and merely using empty rhetoric to hide your prejudices? I'd love to know who the people of Britain are too? Am I included in that?
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 8:12:01 GMT -5
The amount of immigrants allowed in is incredibly high and is not being managed properly. This can and has affected social issues, work, crime, etc. Right, so you don't have any specific examples of what you are claiming, and merely using empty rhetoric to hide your prejudices? I'd love to know who the people of Britain are too? Am I included in that? This is 5 years old at this point but it hits a lot of marks that are even more relevant today www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/13/immigration-british-society-biggest-problem
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 8:15:36 GMT -5
Right OK, fair enough, a poll suggested that a lot of folk think that immigration could be the cause of various issues. You still haven't given me an example of the British government putting immigrants before the people of Britain. Or answered my other question - am I part of the people of Britain? See, my family are Irish immigrants so just wanted to check I am allowed to call myself British? Need to make sure I know where the line is drawn eh.
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 8:17:21 GMT -5
Right OK, fair enough, a poll suggested that a lot of folk think that immigration could be the cause of various issues. You still haven't given me an example of the British government putting immigrants before the people of Britain. Or answered my other question - am I part of the people of Britain? See, my family are Irish immigrants so just wanted to check I am allowed to call myself British? Need to make sure I know where the line is drawn eh. In fact, just like a certain Steven Patrick Morrissey.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 8:30:02 GMT -5
Right OK, fair enough, a poll suggested that a lot of folk think that immigration could be the cause of various issues. You still haven't given me an example of the British government putting immigrants before the people of Britain. Or answered my other question - am I part of the people of Britain? See, my family are Irish immigrants so just wanted to check I am allowed to call myself British? Need to make sure I know where the line is drawn eh. The social focus of diversity and allowing an enormous amount of immigrants in to the country trumps what a lot of people born in Britain want, which is a focus on the people who already live there. They feel disregarded, and it seems that way in a lot of mainstream media. Same goes for Canada. Also, were you born in Britain? Then yes, by definition, you’re British. It’s a clear line. People who already legally live in a country should come first before immigrants. Immigrants are essential to any country, but a lack of control of it can be disastrous and work against the diversity that some people want
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Post by crisppacket on Apr 23, 2018 8:38:32 GMT -5
Right OK, fair enough, a poll suggested that a lot of folk think that immigration could be the cause of various issues. You still haven't given me an example of the British government putting immigrants before the people of Britain. Or answered my other question - am I part of the people of Britain? See, my family are Irish immigrants so just wanted to check I am allowed to call myself British? Need to make sure I know where the line is drawn eh. The social focus of diversity and allowing an enormous amount of immigrants in to the country trumps what a lot of people born in Britain want, which is a focus on the people who already live there. They feel disregarded, and it seems that way in a lot of mainstream media. Same goes for Canada. Also, were you born in Britain? Then yes, by definition, you’re British. It’s a clear line. People who already legally live in a country should come first before immigrants. Immigrants are essential to any country, but a lack of control of it can be disastrous and work against the diversity that some people want The disregard that people feel comes from the government not realising that there are places other than London that they could invest time and money in. That's why people feel overlooked, but sure lets blame the immigrants.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 8:45:12 GMT -5
The social focus of diversity and allowing an enormous amount of immigrants in to the country trumps what a lot of people born in Britain want, which is a focus on the people who already live there. They feel disregarded, and it seems that way in a lot of mainstream media. Same goes for Canada. Also, were you born in Britain? Then yes, by definition, you’re British. It’s a clear line. People who already legally live in a country should come first before immigrants. Immigrants are essential to any country, but a lack of control of it can be disastrous and work against the diversity that some people want The disregard that people feel comes from the government not realising that there are places other than London that they could invest time and money in. That's why people feel overlooked, but sure lets blame the immigrants. That is also a part of it. And I’m not blaming the immigrant themselves, but something needs to be done to improve immigration laws. I can’t see how that is an unreasonable point
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 8:50:27 GMT -5
Right OK, fair enough, a poll suggested that a lot of folk think that immigration could be the cause of various issues. You still haven't given me an example of the British government putting immigrants before the people of Britain. Or answered my other question - am I part of the people of Britain? See, my family are Irish immigrants so just wanted to check I am allowed to call myself British? Need to make sure I know where the line is drawn eh. The social focus of diversity and allowing an enormous amount of immigrants in to the country trumps what a lot of people born in Britain want, which is a focus on the people who already live there. They feel disregarded, and it seems that way in a lot of mainstream media. Same goes for Canada. Also, were you born in Britain? Then yes, by definition, you’re British. It’s a clear line. People who already legally live in a country should come first before immigrants. Immigrants are essential to any country, but a lack of control of it can be disastrous and work against the diversity that some people want You keep banging on about that but still have not supplied me with any evidence of that not happening. Glad to know I am British then since I was born here. Thanks.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 8:56:26 GMT -5
The social focus of diversity and allowing an enormous amount of immigrants in to the country trumps what a lot of people born in Britain want, which is a focus on the people who already live there. They feel disregarded, and it seems that way in a lot of mainstream media. Same goes for Canada. Also, were you born in Britain? Then yes, by definition, you’re British. It’s a clear line. People who already legally live in a country should come first before immigrants. Immigrants are essential to any country, but a lack of control of it can be disastrous and work against the diversity that some people want You keep banging on about that but still have not supplied me with any evidence of that not happening. Glad to know I am British then since I was born here. Thanks. What else do you want from me? I’m just telling you what I’ve been observing. I’m not claiming to be an expert, I’m just analyzing what I see and making my own judgement. And yes, you were being sarcastic about being British, for some reason
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 8:59:15 GMT -5
You keep banging on about that but still have not supplied me with any evidence of that not happening. Glad to know I am British then since I was born here. Thanks. What else do you want from me? I’m just telling you what I’ve been observing. I’m not claiming to be an expert, I’m just analyzing what I see and making my own judgement. And yes, you were being sarcastic about being British, for some reason You are observing fuck all. You clearly know nothing about Britain and our culture yet think thon bunch of Yer Da's that Morrissey has fell in love with are somehow putting out anything that is helpful or accurate.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 9:01:16 GMT -5
What else do you want from me? I’m just telling you what I’ve been observing. I’m not claiming to be an expert, I’m just analyzing what I see and making my own judgement. And yes, you were being sarcastic about being British, for some reason You are observing fuck all. You clearly know nothing about Britain and our culture yet think thon bunch of Yer Da's that Morrissey has fell in love with are somehow putting out anything that is helpful or accurate. That is true, I can only know so much about current British life without living there. But what is wrong in pointing these things out? Is everybody who makes these similar points wrong?
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 9:06:54 GMT -5
You are observing fuck all. You clearly know nothing about Britain and our culture yet think thon bunch of Yer Da's that Morrissey has fell in love with are somehow putting out anything that is helpful or accurate. That is true, I can only know so much about current British life without living there. But what is wrong in pointing these things out? Is everybody who makes these similar points wrong? I can't comment on everyone. I can however comment on the likes of For Britain, Britain First, EDL and all these other clowns who are simply horrible, nasty wankers who blame all societies issues on immigrants.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 9:14:25 GMT -5
That is true, I can only know so much about current British life without living there. But what is wrong in pointing these things out? Is everybody who makes these similar points wrong? I can't comment on everyone. I can however comment on the likes of For Britain, Britain First, EDL and all these other clowns who are simply horrible, nasty wankers who blame all societies issues on immigrants. Well I’m just talking about problems that come with uncontrolled immigration. Do you feel it is not an issue at all? I only have my own opinion and I try not to let other people affect my opinion. I try to stay as objective as possible
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 9:23:29 GMT -5
I can't comment on everyone. I can however comment on the likes of For Britain, Britain First, EDL and all these other clowns who are simply horrible, nasty wankers who blame all societies issues on immigrants. Well I’m just talking about problems that come with uncontrolled immigration. Do you feel it is not an issue at all? I only have my own opinion and I try not to let other people affect my opinion. I try to stay as objective as possible Uncontrolled immigration? Jeez mate you are making it sound like every city in Britain is swarming with immigrants. Maybe it is perceived as an issue in certain places. Even if it is, the likes of For Britain as certainly not the people to take any notice of.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 9:34:22 GMT -5
Well I’m just talking about problems that come with uncontrolled immigration. Do you feel it is not an issue at all? I only have my own opinion and I try not to let other people affect my opinion. I try to stay as objective as possible Uncontrolled immigration? Jeez mate you are making it sound like every city in Britain is swarming with immigrants. Maybe it is perceived as an issue in certain places. Even if it is, the likes of For Britain as certainly not the people to take any notice of. I would just be aware that there a lot of people who feel different from you, and their voices shouldn’t be silenced or shouldn’t be called “racist”
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 9:53:40 GMT -5
I would just be aware that there a lot of people who feel different from you, and their voices shouldn’t be silenced or shouldn’t be called “racist” Your nation, the United States, was built on immigrants. Unless you're Native American, your people were immigrants and you are a descendant of immigrants. Why was it ok for them to come here but not current immigrants in the modern day? Controlled immigration is the key. Also, it’s 2018. We have a better understanding of how to control these things. Also, what does my heritage have to do with this discussion? I’m talking about immigration today. Would you not agree that controlled immigration is a smart way of handling that process?
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 9:56:30 GMT -5
Controlled immigration is the key. Also, it’s 2018. We have a better understanding of how to control these things. Also, what does my heritage have to do with this discussion? I’m talking about immigration today. Would you not agree that controlled immigration is a smart way of handling that process? You're talking about immigration in a country in which you do not live. As actual UK people have said in this thread, you know exactly zero about what it going on there. I have to live in the country to comment on it? That doesn’t make sense
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 10:01:38 GMT -5
Uncontrolled immigration? Jeez mate you are making it sound like every city in Britain is swarming with immigrants. Maybe it is perceived as an issue in certain places. Even if it is, the likes of For Britain as certainly not the people to take any notice of. I would just be aware that there a lot of people who feel different from you, and their voices shouldn’t be silenced or shouldn’t be called “racist” But people in those groups I have mentioned are racist.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 10:03:59 GMT -5
I would just be aware that there a lot of people who feel different from you, and their voices shouldn’t be silenced or shouldn’t be called “racist” But people in those groups I have mentioned are racist. Who? Also how do you know they’re racist?
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Post by globe on Apr 23, 2018 10:12:25 GMT -5
But people in those groups I have mentioned are racist. Who? Also how do you know they’re racist? What is this, some kind of pseudo-intellectual question?
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 23, 2018 10:17:52 GMT -5
I have to live in the country to comment on it? That doesn’t make sense You're not just commenting, you're trying to spread fear and hate. But I'm done. Fear and hate? Get a grip. It’s dialogue, but I know that hurts a lot of people’s feelings.
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