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Post by Derrick on May 6, 2017 11:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by funhouse on May 6, 2017 13:15:45 GMT -5
It's just sad to hear him nowadays. But on the issue of debates, I really hate the discussion of who "won" the debate, no matter the country involved. You can discuss who performed better at the debate, but who "won" it is fucking irrelevant. It isn't "best out of three debates wins it" (in that scenario Hillary may have won), the winner is revealed when all votes have been counted, and then that person automatically wins all the debates that were held before. Such a stupid discussion.
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Post by mkoasis on May 6, 2017 13:56:34 GMT -5
I can't even stand to listen to or watch electoral debates. It's all contrived, manipulative talking points. You can almost smell the bullshit coming out of their mouths. Everyone's got their best behaviour on because they know people are watching. So it's all utterly worthless.
I prefer the Liam Gallagher approach: "here's what I want to do, here's how I want to do it. It you like it, vote for me. If you don't like it, vote for some other geezer"
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 6, 2017 16:06:54 GMT -5
What interesting drug did he take? I don't want one.
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Post by Derrick on May 6, 2017 16:21:49 GMT -5
What interesting drug did he take? I don't want one. He's going to the National Front disco far too often...
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 6, 2017 16:30:09 GMT -5
one knows now where Morrissey undoubtedly stands - very deep in the enraged citizen swamp, where he'd be called a "cuck" himself
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 24, 2017 0:21:32 GMT -5
Morrissey Says Something Predictably Dumb About the Manchester Attacks
" Celebrating my birthday in Manchester as news of the Manchester Arena bomb broke. The anger is monumental. For what reason will this ever stop?
Theresa May says such attacks "will not break us", but her own life is lived in a bullet-proof bubble, and she evidently does not need to identify any young people today in Manchester morgues. Also, "will not break us" means that the tragedy will not break her, or her policies on immigration. The young people of Manchester are already broken - thanks all the same, Theresa. Sadiq Khan says "London is united with Manchester", but he does not condemn Islamic State - who have claimed responsibility for the bomb. The Queen receives absurd praise for her 'strong words' against the attack, yet she does not cancel today's garden party at Buckingham Palace - for which no criticism is allowed in the Britain of free press. Manchester mayor Andy Burnham says the attack is the work of an "extremist". An extreme what? An extreme rabbit? In modern Britain everyone seems petrified to officially say what we all say in private. Politicians tell us they are unafraid, but they are never the victims. How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire. The people have no such protections.
Morrissey 23 May 2017."
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Post by jordan71421 on May 24, 2017 1:17:45 GMT -5
Morrissey Says Something Predictably Dumb About the Manchester Attacks" Celebrating my birthday in Manchester as news of the Manchester Arena bomb broke. The anger is monumental. For what reason will this ever stop? Theresa May says such attacks "will not break us", but her own life is lived in a bullet-proof bubble, and she evidently does not need to identify any young people today in Manchester morgues. Also, "will not break us" means that the tragedy will not break her, or her policies on immigration. The young people of Manchester are already broken - thanks all the same, Theresa. Sadiq Khan says "London is united with Manchester", but he does not condemn Islamic State - who have claimed responsibility for the bomb. The Queen receives absurd praise for her 'strong words' against the attack, yet she does not cancel today's garden party at Buckingham Palace - for which no criticism is allowed in the Britain of free press. Manchester mayor Andy Burnham says the attack is the work of an "extremist". An extreme what? An extreme rabbit? In modern Britain everyone seems petrified to officially say what we all say in private. Politicians tell us they are unafraid, but they are never the victims. How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire. The people have no such protections. Morrissey 23 May 2017." What do you think he said there that's dumb?
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 24, 2017 2:59:00 GMT -5
Morrissey Says Something Predictably Dumb About the Manchester Attacks" Celebrating my birthday in Manchester as news of the Manchester Arena bomb broke. The anger is monumental. For what reason will this ever stop? Theresa May says such attacks "will not break us", but her own life is lived in a bullet-proof bubble, and she evidently does not need to identify any young people today in Manchester morgues. Also, "will not break us" means that the tragedy will not break her, or her policies on immigration. The young people of Manchester are already broken - thanks all the same, Theresa. Sadiq Khan says "London is united with Manchester", but he does not condemn Islamic State - who have claimed responsibility for the bomb. The Queen receives absurd praise for her 'strong words' against the attack, yet she does not cancel today's garden party at Buckingham Palace - for which no criticism is allowed in the Britain of free press. Manchester mayor Andy Burnham says the attack is the work of an "extremist". An extreme what? An extreme rabbit? In modern Britain everyone seems petrified to officially say what we all say in private. Politicians tell us they are unafraid, but they are never the victims. How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire. The people have no such protections. Morrissey 23 May 2017." What do you think he said there that's dumb? I've copy pasted the headline of the Spin article. I'd like to elaborate on one argument in particular: "[...] the tragedy will not break her (May) , or her policies on immigration." She expressed her views on immigration. I'm not sure if Morrissey wants to say, that he's in favour of immigration or that he wants to have an even stricter immigration policy. I can't make it out. Also, I think if Sadiq Khan does not have to verbally condemn Islamic State. He obviously does. Why should he (Khan) play into the hands of anti islam propagandists and populists. What's the point of calling them out. It won't change those extremists oppinions. The Novemberpogrome in 1938 was an event that followed a terrorist attack, induced by misuse of insensetive rhetoric.
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Post by Derrick on May 24, 2017 14:00:49 GMT -5
What do you think he said there that's dumb? I've copy pasted the headline of the Spin article. I'd like to elaborate on one argument in particular: "[...] the tragedy will not break her (May) , or her policies on immigration." She expressed her views on immigration. I'm not sure if Morrissey wants to say, that he's in favour of immigration or that he wants to have an even stricter immigration policy. I can't make it out. I think he's deliberately ambiguous on that point. However, when you know he's pro-Brexit, his stance on immigration is not hard to guess...
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 24, 2017 14:24:11 GMT -5
I've copy pasted the headline of the Spin article. I'd like to elaborate on one argument in particular: "[...] the tragedy will not break her (May) , or her policies on immigration." She expressed her views on immigration. I'm not sure if Morrissey wants to say, that he's in favour of immigration or that he wants to have an even stricter immigration policy. I can't make it out. I think he's deliberately ambiguous on that point. However, when you know he's pro-Brexit, his stance on immigration is not hard to guess... It's depressing to read Morrissey's name in the same sentence as Katie Hopkin's. Comming from Bragg...
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on May 24, 2017 17:26:37 GMT -5
I get incredibly sad when I read that stuff about and from Morrissey himself. I can't even talk to anybody about it, I'm just sitting there and hoping nobody sees it. It's like...there is this person in my heart and it is slowly disappearing, but I'd rather keep the old image, because it's so important to me. I know he has a good heart, somebody should talk to him. I don't get how people can seriously think that it helps to close the border or even throw every Muslim out.
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Post by matt on May 24, 2017 17:35:30 GMT -5
I'll always admire and respect Morrissey (for me, he will always be the greatest frontman of all time) but he's a loose cannon that is absolutely batshit insane for better and, unfortunately at times, for worse. I never take heed of what he says with regards to major events, as his grasp has always been pretty thin - I mean, he admires Nigel Farage and George Galloway, that's just one of the most absurd contradictions anyone could hold. I see it in the way of a beloved grandpa spouting shite - I roll my eyes, but I can't take him seriously enough these days to be furious with him.
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Post by globe on May 25, 2017 3:03:47 GMT -5
I think it's quite sad when you see two legends like Rotten and Morrissey becoming the people they used to hate.
Take a leaf out of your old mate Johnny's book Moz.
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Post by Derrick on May 25, 2017 14:15:57 GMT -5
Morrissey has always liked defining himself as a victim: "It's us & them, we have the right ideas & they know it but they won't let us speak; they'll forever bully us into silence instead no matter what we do", ever since the Smiths.
At the beginning that was right, he was expressing the voice & ideals of a "repressed" minority (the beliefs of sensitive people refusing to conform to the ideas of the vulgar & stupid majority in the macho 80's even though it'd make it easier for them socially to look & behave like everyone else), but as the years went by it looked like he was chasing his victim status, i.e. whenever he felt like he could be vindicated at last he seeked something else to prove everyone's against his poor innocent person, all to serve his own selfish interests.
One sign of this in the 90's was all the fuss he made about the Smiths trial, giving extensive interviews & even writing songs about being persecuted by judges, more recently about being manhandled during a frisk at an airport, but then it seems to have turned into standing on the side of other pariahs, the Brexiters, denouncing the biased media & more generally the powers that be.
Whatever happens, the ageing Morrissey will keep moving out of the "approved by the majority" zone to remain a protester, even though he sometimes becomes a rebel with dubious causes.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 25, 2017 15:09:34 GMT -5
I believe Morrissey fans won't take it and crowd figures will decline. That's when he will realise that just what the world needs is another stupid book.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on May 25, 2017 15:16:22 GMT -5
They definitely should sit in a room and have a chat with their younger selves.
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Post by Derrick on Apr 21, 2018 12:13:06 GMT -5
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Post by funhouse on Apr 21, 2018 12:30:16 GMT -5
I am NOT in any way saying I would have liked it to happen, but when you think of all the great musicians that passed away too soon, you can't help but think that Morrissey's legacy would have been better off had he been one of1 them.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 21, 2018 22:16:15 GMT -5
I am NOT in any way saying I would have liked it to happen, but when you think of all the great musicians that passed away too soon, you can't help but think that Morrissey's legacy would have been better off had he been one of1 them. That is incredibly sick. God forbid someone has different views on things than you do. Real classy post
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Post by funhouse on Apr 22, 2018 2:28:12 GMT -5
I am NOT in any way saying I would have liked it to happen, but when you think of all the great musicians that passed away too soon, you can't help but think that Morrissey's legacy would have been better off had he been one of1 them. That is incredibly sick. God forbid someone has different views on things than you do. Real classy post If the Gallaghers would have died in a plane crash in 1996, I think Oasis's legacy would have been different. Does that mean I would have liked that to happen? Of course not. Same with what I wrote about Morrissey. It was just a hypothetical. But maybe you missed the part where I said I wouldn't have liked that scenario to have happened. Or maybe you saw that as me being ironic/sarcastic, that's another poasibility.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 22, 2018 11:02:25 GMT -5
That is incredibly sick. God forbid someone has different views on things than you do. Real classy post If the Gallaghers would have died in a plane crash in 1996, I think Oasis's legacy would have been different. Does that mean I would have liked that to happen? Of course not. Same with what I wrote about Morrissey. It was just a hypothetical. But maybe you missed the part where I said I wouldn't have liked that scenario to have happened. Or maybe you saw that as me being ironic/sarcastic, that's another poasibility. When your mind starts to think about someone’s early demise because they don’t share the same views as you, you’re going down the wrong path. Open your mind
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Post by funhouse on Apr 22, 2018 11:41:37 GMT -5
If the Gallaghers would have died in a plane crash in 1996, I think Oasis's legacy would have been different. Does that mean I would have liked that to happen? Of course not. Same with what I wrote about Morrissey. It was just a hypothetical. But maybe you missed the part where I said I wouldn't have liked that scenario to have happened. Or maybe you saw that as me being ironic/sarcastic, that's another poasibility. When your mind starts to think about someone’s early demise because they don’t share the same views as you, you’re going down the wrong path. Open your mind I think there's a difference between wishing for someone to die, and just speculating about a hypothetical scenario. Sure, that thought would probably not have crossed my mind if I didn't strongly disagree with many of his political views nowadays, but it was just a reflection of much he has changed compared to his older self, and what that might do to his legacy. I think The Smiths sound just as good no matter what he says, but it got me thinking of future potential fans, who might not feel too enthused about trying to get into them if Morrissey continues rambling in the same fashion, and becomes Britain's drunk uncle first, legendary frontman second. I don't really care about that legacy, but I think that would have been a sad scenario. Doesn't mean I wished he was dead, I just like thinking hypothetically sometimes. What if Kurt Cobain hadn't killed himself? What if they had recounted the votes in the 2000 presidential election? And so on... I guess I could see why that post could be interpreted as more sinister than it was, though. Sometimes it's hard to summarize one's thoughts into one perfectly presented post without the risk of misunderstandings, but that's life. No harm done.
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 22, 2018 13:35:27 GMT -5
When your mind starts to think about someone’s early demise because they don’t share the same views as you, you’re going down the wrong path. Open your mind I think there's a difference between wishing for someone to die, and just speculating about a hypothetical scenario. Sure, that thought would probably not have crossed my mind if I didn't strongly disagree with many of his political views nowadays, but it was just a reflection of much he has changed compared to his older self, and what that might do to his legacy. I think The Smiths sound just as good no matter what he says, but it got me thinking of future potential fans, who might not feel too enthused about trying to get into them if Morrissey continues rambling in the same fashion, and becomes Britain's drunk uncle first, legendary frontman second. I don't really care about that legacy, but I think that would have been a sad scenario. Doesn't mean I wished he was dead, I just like thinking hypothetically sometimes. What if Kurt Cobain hadn't killed himself? What if they had recounted the votes in the 2000 presidential election? And so on... I guess I could see why that post could be interpreted as more sinister than it was, though. Sometimes it's hard to summarize one's thoughts into one perfectly presented post without the risk of misunderstandings, but that's life. No harm done. If Morrissey’s real life opinions, or any artist for that matter, affect the way you look at his music, you need to learn to be more objective.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 13:49:15 GMT -5
I am NOT in any way saying I would have liked it to happen, but when you think of all the great musicians that passed away too soon, you can't help but think that Morrissey's legacy would have been better off had he been one of1 them. That is incredibly sick. God forbid someone has different views on things than you do. Real classy post Overreaction much?
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