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Post by Let It 🩸 on Dec 26, 2016 7:19:54 GMT -5
Do you like Huey Lewis and The News? Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor. In '87, Huey released Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself. Thanks. No, I don't particularly like them.
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Post by mossy on Dec 26, 2016 8:00:33 GMT -5
Just because an album doesn't have big sing along anthem type songs, doesn't mean it's crap. Do you like Huey Lewis and The News? Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor. In '87, Huey released Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself. Thanks. Do you like Phil Collins?
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Dec 26, 2016 8:59:31 GMT -5
Do you like Huey Lewis and The News? Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor. In '87, Huey released Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself. Thanks. Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think 'Invisible Touch' was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to 'Land of Confusion'. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. 'In Too Deep' is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the 'Air Tonight' and 'Against All Odds'. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. 'Sussudio', a great, great song, a personal favorite. God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 9:23:21 GMT -5
I think all the songs on DBTT could have been singles with the exception of The Meaning of Soul or A Bell Will Ring. Really? Even HC has more single worthy tracks. I doubt any other tracks from DBTT would have got to number 1. I don't think it has some other singles, not #1's.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 26, 2016 16:14:45 GMT -5
Really? Even HC has more single worthy tracks. I doubt any other tracks from DBTT would have got to number 1. I don't think it has some other singles, not #1's. Surely you release singles in the hope that they reach number 1. And that is what Oasis were very good at in their heyday. Any number of tracks from DM, WTS, BHN and their B sides would easily reach number 1 had they been released as singles. The same cannot be said with the majority of Oasis Mk 2 songs...
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 26, 2016 16:25:42 GMT -5
I don't think it has some other singles, not #1's. Surely you release singles in the hope that they reach number 1. And that is what Oasis were very good at in their heyday. Any number of tracks from DM, WTS, BHN and their B sides would easily reach number 1 had they been released as singles. The same cannot be said with the majority of Oasis Mk 2 songs... Bit of revisionism mate Nothing from DM made #1 with two from BHN and MG doing so, whilst the other 4 #1's came from Oasis MKII songs- Doesn't make for a bad artist or songs but four #1's from the first three albums in the UK was the track record.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 16:31:04 GMT -5
I don't think it has some other singles, not #1's. Surely you release singles in the hope that they reach number 1. And that is what Oasis were very good at in their heyday. Any number of tracks from DM, WTS, BHN and their B sides would easily reach number 1 had they been released as singles. The same cannot be said with the majority of Oasis Mk 2 songs... Even the singles of Definitely Maybe, Roll with It, Wonderwall and Stand by Me weren't a #1...
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 26, 2016 16:35:40 GMT -5
Surely you release singles in the hope that they reach number 1. And that is what Oasis were very good at in their heyday. Any number of tracks from DM, WTS, BHN and their B sides would easily reach number 1 had they been released as singles. The same cannot be said with the majority of Oasis Mk 2 songs... Even the singles of Definitely Maybe, Roll with It, Wonderwall and Stand by Me weren't a #1... In fairness though I will say it for 'Stand By Me' the mawkish 'Candle In the Wind' was selling not only to huge numbers of people but in many instances as captured on news footage and reported at the time people were buying multiple copies of it, which helped it hold five weeks at #1. The singing TV soldiers Robson & Jerome kept 'Wonderwall' off the top spot IIRC which goes to show you can never be 100% of what will work as a single and what won't, whilst in 1994 they were very much still an 'NME' band on the rise so it doesn't surprise me that they didn't get a number one off that record back then as it was a very different world to the later 'instant #1' pop act hits.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 16:41:01 GMT -5
Even the singles of Definitely Maybe, Roll with It, Wonderwall and Stand by Me weren't a #1... In fairness though I will say it for 'Stand By Me' the mawkish 'Candle In the Wind' was selling not only to huge numbers of people but in many instances as captured on news footage and reported at the time people were buying multiple copies of it, which helped it hold five weeks at #1. The singing TV soldiers Robson & Jerome kept 'Wonderwall' off the top spot IIRC which goes to show you can never be 100% of what will work as a single and what won't, whilst in 1994 they were very much still an 'NME' band on the rise so it doesn't surprise me that they didn't get a number one off that record back then as it was a very different world to the later 'instant #1' pop act hits. I know, but I'm not saying: ''Any number of tracks from DM, WTS, BHN and their B sides would easily reach number 1 had they been released as singles.'' Read more: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/86049/dbtt-sell-7-000-copies?page=4&scrollTo=1371504#ixzz4TyzXblMI
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 26, 2016 16:58:43 GMT -5
Surely you release singles in the hope that they reach number 1. And that is what Oasis were very good at in their heyday. Any number of tracks from DM, WTS, BHN and their B sides would easily reach number 1 had they been released as singles. The same cannot be said with the majority of Oasis Mk 2 songs... Even the singles of Definitely Maybe, Roll with It, Wonderwall and Stand by Me weren't a #1... Splitting hairs here a bit aren't we. Roll with It made the news headlines for going head to head with Blur. It wasn't exactly an obscure Beady Eye number that no one knew anything about and disappeared quickly out of the charts after a couple of days. The release of this song was a major event. Wonderwall - well we all know just how popular that song really is, even though it never made no. 1. If it wasn't for that single I doubt Oasis would have been as big as they ended up becoming. It's probably their most famous song globally (even though I personally don't like it). It has sold 1.34 million copies in the UK as of October 2016, making it Oasis' biggest selling song in the UK. It was also their biggest hit in the US. And SBM was pipped to the post by Di's death and her funeral song. I doubt any other band at any time in history would have beaten that song to number 1 at that moment in time. None of these songs didn't make no. 1 because they weren't popular...and you know it.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 26, 2016 17:29:10 GMT -5
Even the singles of Definitely Maybe, Roll with It, Wonderwall and Stand by Me weren't a #1... Splitting hairs here a bit aren't we. Roll with It made the news headlines for going head to head with Blur. It wasn't exactly an obscure Beady Eye number that no one knew anything about and disappeared quickly out of the charts after a couple of days. The release of this song was a major event. Wonderwall - well we all know just how popular that song really is, even though it never made no. 1. If it wasn't for that single I doubt Oasis would have been as big as they ended up becoming. It's probably their most famous song globally (even though I personally don't like it). It has sold 1.34 million copies in the UK as of October 2016, making it Oasis' biggest selling song in the UK. It was also their biggest hit in the US. And SBM was pipped to the post by Di's death and her funeral song. I doubt any other band at any time in history would have beaten that song to number 1 at that moment in time. None of these songs didn't make no. 1 because they weren't popular...and you know it. That validates the point really though- you can try and guess what will be a hit single and what won't be (as is the job of an A&R man or in the case of Oasis Noel Gallagher), but you can't guarantee a number one now or back then. The sales figures for Wonderwall are impressive but the bottom line in chart terms is they lost out on the top spot to Simon Cowell's singing soldiers. It doesn't matter that those songs were popular, the point is they did not make number one which for me invalidates the "Any number of tracks from DM, WTS, BHN and their B sides would easily reach number 1 had they been released as singles" claim. Oasis Mark I (1994-1998) releases had the same amount of #1 hits as Oasis Mark II despite being substantially more successful as an albums band and live proposition during that earlier heyday period.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 18:24:31 GMT -5
But did it really sell 7 million copies? I've always been skeptical on that number. I can believe 2-3 million range. Let's say it sold a million copies in the UK and maybe 200,000 in America. That is only 1.2 million, 5.8 million short. Are we really supposed to believe that Oasis sold that many albums outside the two biggest music markets in the world? Unless they sold millions in Japan and Germany I have a hard time believing these figures. but to be fair, they have always been big over in japan. they still are, and they were certainly back then.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 26, 2016 18:43:20 GMT -5
But did it really sell 7 million copies? I've always been skeptical on that number. I can believe 2-3 million range. Let's say it sold a million copies in the UK and maybe 200,000 in America. That is only 1.2 million, 5.8 million short. Are we really supposed to believe that Oasis sold that many albums outside the two biggest music markets in the world? Unless they sold millions in Japan and Germany I have a hard time believing these figures. but to be fair, they have always been big over in japan. they still are, and they were certainly back then. Don't Believe the Truth was certified platinum by Recording Industry Association of Japan (250,000) and were only certified in Germany by the BVMI for WTSMG? and BHN (Gold in both cases for 250,000 sales which was their standard until they began changing from September 1999) so they didn't going on that break 500,000 between the two countries. Japan is an odd one though as I have genuinely lost count of the number of artists from Hurricane #1 through to a nineties boy band I remember from my industry days (called Ouch! IIRC) who went to Japan to huge almost surreal adulation, played well received shows but sold very little in the way of physical records.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 27, 2016 1:03:56 GMT -5
Splitting hairs here a bit aren't we. Roll with It made the news headlines for going head to head with Blur. It wasn't exactly an obscure Beady Eye number that no one knew anything about and disappeared quickly out of the charts after a couple of days. The release of this song was a major event. Wonderwall - well we all know just how popular that song really is, even though it never made no. 1. If it wasn't for that single I doubt Oasis would have been as big as they ended up becoming. It's probably their most famous song globally (even though I personally don't like it). It has sold 1.34 million copies in the UK as of October 2016, making it Oasis' biggest selling song in the UK. It was also their biggest hit in the US. And SBM was pipped to the post by Di's death and her funeral song. I doubt any other band at any time in history would have beaten that song to number 1 at that moment in time. None of these songs didn't make no. 1 because they weren't popular...and you know it. That validates the point really though- you can try and guess what will be a hit single and what won't be (as is the job of an A&R man or in the case of Oasis Noel Gallagher), but you can't guarantee a number one now or back then. The sales figures for Wonderwall are impressive but the bottom line in chart terms is they lost out on the top spot to Simon Cowell's singing soldiers. It doesn't matter that those songs were popular, the point is they did not make number one which for me invalidates the "Any number of tracks from DM, WTS, BHN and their B sides would easily reach number 1 had they been released as singles" claim. Oasis Mark I (1994-1998) releases had the same amount of #1 hits as Oasis Mark II despite being substantially more successful as an albums band and live proposition during that earlier heyday period. My point really was the quality of tracks they had back then could all easily have been released as singles - and singles that would perform well with the masses. Between that golden period of Knebworth up to the release of BHN, if any song such as the likes of Round Are Way, Acquiesce, The Masterplan, She's Electric, Stay Young, The Fame, I Hope, I Think, I Know, Going Nowhere, etc. had been released they would easily have performed well in the charts - due to the massive popularity of Oasis at that time, and the high quality and mass appeal of the tracks Noel was writing back then. By Oasis Mk 2, those tracks became few and far between, with each new album struggling to find that same level of quality of a true bonafide classic single that would appeal to the masses. HC just about managed it with a couple of tracks, and so did DBTT with TIOBI and Lyla. But to say the rest of the tracks off DBTT would sit easily alongside the likes of the classics I mentioned above as potential singles is ludicrous.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 27, 2016 5:44:35 GMT -5
But did it really sell 7 million copies? I've always been skeptical on that number. I can believe 2-3 million range. Let's say it sold a million copies in the UK and maybe 200,000 in America. That is only 1.2 million, 5.8 million short. Are we really supposed to believe that Oasis sold that many albums outside the two biggest music markets in the world? Unless they sold millions in Japan and Germany I have a hard time believing these figures. but to be fair, they have always been big over in japan. they still are, and they were certainly back then. Even in their prime (1995-1997) Oasis wasn't going to sell enough in both those countries to make up the missing 4-5 million albums in that grand 7 million total. The story is rubbish.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 27, 2016 7:28:52 GMT -5
but to be fair, they have always been big over in japan. they still are, and they were certainly back then. Don't Believe the Truth was certified platinum by Recording Industry Association of Japan (250,000) and were only certified in Germany by the BVMI for WTSMG? and BHN (Gold in both cases for 250,000 sales which was their standard until they began changing from September 1999) so they didn't going on that break 500,000 between the two countries. Japan is an odd one though as I have genuinely lost count of the number of artists from Hurricane #1 through to a nineties boy band I remember from my industry days (called Ouch! IIRC) who went to Japan to huge almost surreal adulation, played well received shows but sold very little in the way of physical records. The "Dream" is over. People gotta accept that DBTT really only "sold" about 3.5 million copies which is still a very nice number. Sorry to spoil the 7 million copies sold dance party but that shit ain't the truth.
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 27, 2016 8:52:00 GMT -5
I think DBTT sold something like 4 millions, it was their best selling album of the noughties, but not 7 million.
But then I was looking for sales by other bands from the same period and it seems that most of those numbers are shipped numbers too, Coldplay, Radiohead, U2, Green Day..., only Gorillaz seems to be correct.
We are living a lie.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 27, 2016 8:59:27 GMT -5
My point really was the quality of tracks they had back then could all easily have been released as singles - and singles that would perform well with the masses. Between that golden period of Knebworth up to the release of BHN, if any song such as the likes of Round Are Way, Acquiesce, The Masterplan, She's Electric, Stay Young, The Fame, I Hope, I Think, I Know, Going Nowhere, etc. had been released they would easily have performed well in the charts - due to the massive popularity of Oasis at that time, and the high quality and mass appeal of the tracks Noel was writing back then. By Oasis Mk 2, those tracks became few and far between, with each new album struggling to find that same level of quality of a true bonafide classic single that would appeal to the masses. HC just about managed it with a couple of tracks, and so did DBTT with TIOBI and Lyla. But to say the rest of the tracks off DBTT would sit easily alongside the likes of the classics I mentioned above as potential singles is ludicrous.That I can definitely agree with, the quality of the songwriting bar certain individual songs dropped off as the years progressed undoubtedly in my mind. I'm still not sold that every song from the earlier period would have made #1 which I believe was the original point, but yes anything with 'Oasis' on the label at that point backed by radio airplay was almost certainly going top 3 from 1995 up to 1998.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 19:24:22 GMT -5
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think 'Invisible Touch' was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to 'Land of Confusion'. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. 'In Too Deep' is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the 'Air Tonight' and 'Against All Odds'. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. 'Sussudio', a great, great song, a personal favorite. God bless. 'abacab', 'genesis' (self-titled), and 'invisible touch' are all great albums. #teamphil blessings.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 30, 2016 19:33:41 GMT -5
I don't know about DBTT having sold 7 million copies, but I do know that I like Genesis/Phil Collins.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 19:34:48 GMT -5
this thread is so much larger than life and has derailed big time.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 30, 2016 19:35:50 GMT -5
Once again a perturbed Noel Gallagher discovers his own fan forum threads are singing the praises of Phil Collins work
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 19:44:44 GMT -5
Once again a perturbed Noel Gallagher discovers his own fan forum threads are singing the praises of Phil Collins work have you heard this album? some of these beats are fire, that drum section at the end of dreaming while you sleep is in the air tonight caliber Noel can shove this in your bank and spend it
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 30, 2016 19:50:17 GMT -5
Once again a perturbed Noel Gallagher discovers his own fan forum threads are singing the praises of Phil Collins work have you heard this album? some of these beats are fire (shove this in your bank and spend it) I'm actually a fan of Genesis and Phil Collins work myself It's just whenever I see the praise on the Oasis forum I can't help but think of Noel Gallagher's 1994 interview with Caspar Llewellyn Smith that went unpublished until 2009-
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 20:03:31 GMT -5
happy new year Noel
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