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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 24, 2016 4:19:57 GMT -5
Shipped to retailers rather than taken home by fans- see my much longer post if you can stomach it If you find yourself in a garage here in Ireland you'll see a stand full of CDs for sale at about €3.99 each, if you look closely you'll realise that must of these CDs are indeed Coldplay X&Y. Copies that were shipped here but not quite sold yet, I'd imagine. That or sold at a loss by the original distributor to recoup some of the outlay to a reseller who will rent rack space in discount stores, forecourts, etc. and will have paid no more than a pound (usually a fair bit less) per unit which is why they can afford to sell them at such low prices.
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Post by spaneli on Dec 24, 2016 6:38:00 GMT -5
I'm quite shocked DBTT sold so many albums, but not shocked that DOYS hardly sold any. They are both terrible albums, Oasis at their absolute lowest form, but why DBTT sold so many is baffling. 2 popular singles, 1 with a very decent video, and Fifa no doubt helped massively. I think the main thing for DOYS is that it was probably the first album since DM that lacked a true lead-off single. TSOTL charted high on the Alt. charts here in the US, at #12. It was their first top 100 charting (93) since DLBIA. However, nothing about TSOTL says it's part of the bastion of Top 40, Lyla is much closer to that appeal. TSOTL on the other hand, iS an Alt. rock specific song. There's definitely a smaller circle of appeal there. The same could be said of Falling Down. I'm Outta Time is the only track that has that top 40 appeal. But two of the top 3 singles have little Top 40 appeal(though they are good songs), probably the least amount for any Oasis album. It makes sense why there was a sales drop, though I don't that DOYS is a terrible album
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Post by Aman on Dec 24, 2016 8:51:18 GMT -5
Most people on this forum, I would guess, were not even fans of the band or were too young to remember 2005, but Oasis were pretty big again in '05. People were still physically buying albums and there was a resurgence in indie rock music and Oasis were very much part of it. I remember people, who knew I was a fan of the band, coming up to me and pretty much patting me on the back saying how much they like 'Lyla' or 'Idle' like it was something I had achieved, it was weird but a very exciting time to be a fan of the band. 2 number 1 singles, singles that were physically released, not just downloads, number 1 album with very good reviews and a mammoth tour that was selling out everywhere. Very different times to now. I'd believe that figure. I have 3 copies of it myself. Definitely. I was 16 at the time, but those two Number singles really put Oasis back on the map.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 24, 2016 11:12:35 GMT -5
The Shock of The Lightning > Lyla
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 24, 2016 11:38:15 GMT -5
The Shock of The Lightning > Lyla By far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 11:40:33 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks "The Shock of the Lightning" is quite poor ? Great energy but where are the melodies ?
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Post by Aman on Dec 24, 2016 12:16:44 GMT -5
The Shock of The Lightning > Lyla Definitely. But in terms of being more popular to casual fans/radio friendly, more catchy to the public then it's Lyla. More people would buy an album with Lyla as the lead single, instead of TSOTL.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 12:58:40 GMT -5
I dont think DOYS has any tunes that I would consider "oasis anthems", the magic just isnt there in songs like TSOTL.
think thats probably one of DOYS main problems, the songs are fairly strong but they just dont feel very oasisy, theres just something missing in the atmosphere of that album.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 24, 2016 13:08:45 GMT -5
I dont think DOYS has any tunes that I would consider "oasis anthems", the magic just isnt there in songs like TSOTL. think thats probably one of DOYS main problems, the songs are fairly strong but they just dont feel very oasisy, theres just something missing in the atmosphere of that album. Surely 'Ain't Got Muffins' despite the actual quality of the tune embodies the confrontational, drunken, ranting side of one Liam Gallagher?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 24, 2016 13:11:00 GMT -5
Most people on this forum, I would guess, were not even fans of the band or were too young to remember 2005, but Oasis were pretty big again in '05. People were still physically buying albums and there was a resurgence in indie rock music and Oasis were very much part of it. I remember people, who knew I was a fan of the band, coming up to me and pretty much patting me on the back saying how much they like 'Lyla' or 'Idle' like it was something I had achieved, it was weird but a very exciting time to be a fan of the band. 2 number 1 singles, singles that were physically released, not just downloads, number 1 album with very good reviews and a mammoth tour that was selling out everywhere. Very different times to now. I'd believe that figure. I have 3 copies of it myself. Definitely. I was 16 at the time, but those two Number singles really put Oasis back on the map. TSOTL was going to be a #1 single. If Oasis didn't wait almost 4 weeks between releasing it to radio and putting it in the shops it would have no doubt been a #1. It's all in the context. Falling Down is a very good song but it wasn't a good single choice. It isn't 1967.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 13:22:28 GMT -5
I dont think DOYS has any tunes that I would consider "oasis anthems", the magic just isnt there in songs like TSOTL. think thats probably one of DOYS main problems, the songs are fairly strong but they just dont feel very oasisy, theres just something missing in the atmosphere of that album. Surely 'Ain't Got Muffins' despite the actual quality of the tune embodies the confrontational, drunken, ranting side of one Liam Gallagher? ah your bringing up the 2nd half and I feel like Im banging a drum at 3 in the morning when I talk about this because Ive talked about it so much "oh for fuck sake not this again" but had that 2nd half been better, Id put DOYS up with BHN, real talk, bin off nature of reality, slap andy bell for that one, replace aint got nothin with I believe in all, wheel in record machine and come on outside, make to be where theres life like the live version and youve got margot robbie in musical form. Noels backing vocals though are creme brulee on the live version though, top work lad.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 24, 2016 13:25:25 GMT -5
Surely 'Ain't Got Muffins' despite the actual quality of the tune embodies the confrontational, drunken, ranting side of one Liam Gallagher? ah your bringing up the 2nd half and I feel like Im banging a drum at 3 in the morning when I talk about this because Ive talked about it so much "oh for fuck sake not this again" but had that 2nd half been better, Id put DOYS up with BHN, real talk, bin off nature of reality, slap andy bell for that one, replace aint got nothin with I believe in all, wheel in record machine and come on outside, make to be where theres life like the live version and youve got margot robbie in musical form.Noels backing vocals though are creme brulee on the live version though, top work lad. Nice to see 'Miss Unobtainable' as an obsession lives on! Replace Mariah with her in the video and your Xmas morning would be sorted?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 13:31:30 GMT -5
ah your bringing up the 2nd half and I feel like Im banging a drum at 3 in the morning when I talk about this because Ive talked about it so much "oh for fuck sake not this again" but had that 2nd half been better, Id put DOYS up with BHN, real talk, bin off nature of reality, slap andy bell for that one, replace aint got nothin with I believe in all, wheel in record machine and come on outside, make to be where theres life like the live version and youve got margot robbie in musical form.Noels backing vocals though are creme brulee on the live version though, top work lad. Nice to see 'Miss Unobtainable' as an obsession lives on! Replace Mariah with her in the video and your Xmas morning would be sorted?
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Post by spaneli on Dec 24, 2016 18:31:41 GMT -5
Definitely. I was 16 at the time, but those two Number singles really put Oasis back on the map. TSOTL was going to be a #1 single. If Oasis didn't wait almost 4 weeks between releasing it to radio and putting it in the shops it would have no doubt been a #1. It's all in the context. Falling Down is a very good song but it wasn't a good single choice. It isn't 1967. Considering what was on the album....I don't think songs like the The Turning or Bag it Up are much better choices. It was a strong album, but it lacked strong singles. Which, honestly, is fine. Besides, most critics agree that Falling Down, was probably the most apropos final single for Oasis (that is, it taking till the final single before Oasis did a formula change, and the dire theme of the song itself).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 18:39:25 GMT -5
I think falling down was alright looking back, though I didnt like it much at the time.
I dont think its particularly catchy to the casual fans though, its abit out there for oasis.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 25, 2016 2:34:33 GMT -5
TSOTL was going to be a #1 single. If Oasis didn't wait almost 4 weeks between releasing it to radio and putting it in the shops it would have no doubt been a #1. It's all in the context. Falling Down is a very good song but it wasn't a good single choice. It isn't 1967. Considering what was on the album....I don't think songs like the The Turning or Bag it Up are much better choices. It was a strong album, but it lacked strong singles. Which, honestly, is fine. Besides, most critics agree that Falling Down, was probably the most apropos final single for Oasis (that is, it taking till the final single before Oasis did a formula change, and the dire theme of the song itself). You hit the nail on the head there. When an album lacks any tracks that could be strong singles, you know the game is up, and the album is garbage. If you look back at the first 3 albums, just about every track could have been released as a single. From Oasis Mk 2, each album began to suffer more with increasingly poorer songs, and a serious lack of singles that could have been released from each album.
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Post by spaneli on Dec 25, 2016 2:38:40 GMT -5
Considering what was on the album....I don't think songs like the The Turning or Bag it Up are much better choices. It was a strong album, but it lacked strong singles. Which, honestly, is fine. Besides, most critics agree that Falling Down, was probably the most apropos final single for Oasis (that is, it taking till the final single before Oasis did a formula change, and the dire theme of the song itself). You hit the nail on the head there. When an album lacks any tracks that could be strong singles, you know the game is up, and the album is garbage. If you look back at the first 3 albums, just about every track could have been released as a single. From Oasis Mk 2, each album began to suffer more with increasingly poorer songs, and a serious lack of singles that could have been released from each album. Honestly, I didn't say that. And there are certainly exceptions to that "rule." There are albums that do not have strong singles, but are incredible albums.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 25, 2016 6:29:21 GMT -5
You hit the nail on the head there. When an album lacks any tracks that could be strong singles, you know the game is up, and the album is garbage. If you look back at the first 3 albums, just about every track could have been released as a single. From Oasis Mk 2, each album began to suffer more with increasingly poorer songs, and a serious lack of singles that could have been released from each album. Honestly, I didn't say that. And there are certainly exceptions to that "rule." There are albums that do not have strong singles, but are incredible albums. But DOYS is not one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 7:41:40 GMT -5
Considering what was on the album....I don't think songs like the The Turning or Bag it Up are much better choices. It was a strong album, but it lacked strong singles. Which, honestly, is fine. Besides, most critics agree that Falling Down, was probably the most apropos final single for Oasis (that is, it taking till the final single before Oasis did a formula change, and the dire theme of the song itself). You hit the nail on the head there. When an album lacks any tracks that could be strong singles, you know the game is up, and the album is garbage. If you look back at the first 3 albums, just about every track could have been released as a single. From Oasis Mk 2, each album began to suffer more with increasingly poorer songs, and a serious lack of singles that could have been released from each album. I think all the songs on DBTT could have been singles with the exception of The Meaning of Soul or A Bell Will Ring.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 26, 2016 2:32:10 GMT -5
You hit the nail on the head there. When an album lacks any tracks that could be strong singles, you know the game is up, and the album is garbage. If you look back at the first 3 albums, just about every track could have been released as a single. From Oasis Mk 2, each album began to suffer more with increasingly poorer songs, and a serious lack of singles that could have been released from each album. I think all the songs on DBTT could have been singles with the exception of The Meaning of Soul or A Bell Will Ring. Really? Even HC has more single worthy tracks. I doubt any other tracks from DBTT would have got to number 1.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 26, 2016 4:02:48 GMT -5
Just because an album doesn't have big sing along anthem type songs, doesn't mean it's crap.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 26, 2016 4:03:10 GMT -5
You hit the nail on the head there. When an album lacks any tracks that could be strong singles, you know the game is up, and the album is garbage. If you look back at the first 3 albums, just about every track could have been released as a single. From Oasis Mk 2, each album began to suffer more with increasingly poorer songs, and a serious lack of singles that could have been released from each album. I think all the songs on DBTT could have been singles with the exception of The Meaning of Soul or A Bell Will Ring. Ehm..no.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 26, 2016 4:06:04 GMT -5
The Shock of The Lightning > Lyla I like them equally. Barely listen to them though. At the time of release I had a different opinion. I loved Lyla for it's catchiness, while I thought The shock of the lightning was boring.
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Post by Let It 🩸 on Dec 26, 2016 5:47:30 GMT -5
Just because an album doesn't have big sing along anthem type songs, doesn't mean it's crap. Do you like Huey Lewis and The News? Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor. In '87, Huey released Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself. Thanks.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 26, 2016 6:38:08 GMT -5
Just because an album doesn't have big sing along anthem type songs, doesn't mean it's crap. Do you like Huey Lewis and The News? Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor. In '87, Huey released Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself. Thanks. No, I don't particularly like them.
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