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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 23, 2015 14:17:39 GMT -5
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 23, 2015 18:42:01 GMT -5
Right. I could've swore you were debating with oasisblues
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 23, 2015 19:05:53 GMT -5
Yes he had. In the heat of the moment was #26 or something, wasn't it? He's also sold more than 222000 by now. I strongly doubt Liam could get a #1 album. Small chance, I'd think. If Beady Eye couldn't, then why would he? And please don't come with that lousy excuse of "yeah but Beady Eye didn't have Liam's name in their band name". He would need a really good songwriter to help him, a good producer and a good marketing strategy. Then he might crack the top 10. With an album that is. Singles will probably sink. It doesn't really look like he's up to something anyway. Who knows though. I can't tell if you're being completely ignorant or just completely against Liam. Maybe both. Let's face it Beady Eye were incredibly unlucky not to get a number 1 album. There's plenty of times during the year that both albums would have got number 1. They were up against Adele in her year of world domination and Black Sabbaths comeback album (which even Ozzy tweeted about because he got worried). People on this forum massively under estimate the power of Liam Gallagher. His name on the album and his face WOULD certainly add more sales. If he put out an album of better quality than BE and wasn't up against a huge force in music like Ed Sheeran or the like then he would be at no.1 It's not being "against Liam" or being "completely ignorant" to suggest that Liam Gallagher would at this point perhaps struggle to gain a number one album. Before I go on I am not saying it isn't possible with the right songs, co-writers (perhaps), producer, etc. but the fact is he has lost some ground with the relative commercial failure of Beady Eye. I don't think Beady Eye were unlucky not to get a number one album personally, it was more a case looking back that the sales simply were not there for whatever reason- maybe aside from dedicated Oasis fans there was not the right material to attract a broader audience, or they potentially could have been marketed better but then they did get good coverage at the time so not sure what more they could have done to influence sales that way. The full year UK sales earned them a gold disc (100,000) for sales of 165,000 against as a direct comparison NGHFB 492,000- source from the Official Chart Company. I am not a Noel fanboy incidentally, although I will put my hand up as a boring accountant who has crunched far to many numbers at both music and non-music related businesses! (Also grudgingly got involved on occasion in the thankless task that is marketing ) Incidentally BE massively undersold DGSS with 71,000 (Silver disc) certified sales to date, despite being IMO a superior album to DGSS. The point is that as musical history has shown repeatedly (Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, NY Dolls to name but three) putting out a great album does not guarantee success in charts or long term sales. Mick Jagger famously got a jolt to his ego when his 1985 solo album "She's The Boss"" was released coming off the back of what was The Rolling Stones most successful tour & commercial period to date in 1981-83, yet only gained a silver disc and a no. 6 UK chart placing. It did in fairness go on to sell over a million in the USA despite only ever reaching 13 on the Billboard 200. If Liam is indeed planning a return to music then IMO he should be looking at a long term plan for his comeback album, with well worn paths such as teasers, interviews and extensive touring backed by newer methods via social media, etc. That way he can potentially build upon sales and bring his name up to the forefront as an individual artist rather than the "former Oasis singer", as I have seen him referred to on more than one occasion in the press in recent times. By doing this I feel he would give himself the best chance of success and a platform to further build upon, and if he does exceed expectations on the forum or in the industry with higher than predicted sales then he would be in a win-win situation would he not?
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 24, 2015 10:06:31 GMT -5
I can't tell if you're being completely ignorant or just completely against Liam. Maybe both. Let's face it Beady Eye were incredibly unlucky not to get a number 1 album. There's plenty of times during the year that both albums would have got number 1. They were up against Adele in her year of world domination and Black Sabbaths comeback album (which even Ozzy tweeted about because he got worried). People on this forum massively under estimate the power of Liam Gallagher. His name on the album and his face WOULD certainly add more sales. If he put out an album of better quality than BE and wasn't up against a huge force in music like Ed Sheeran or the like then he would be at no.1 It's not being "against Liam" or being "completely ignorant" to suggest that Liam Gallagher would at this point perhaps struggle to gain a number one album. Before I go on I am not saying it isn't possible with the right songs, co-writers (perhaps), producer, etc. but the fact is he has lost some ground with the relative commercial failure of Beady Eye. I don't think Beady Eye were unlucky not to get a number one album personally, it was more a case looking back that the sales simply were not there for whatever reason- maybe aside from dedicated Oasis fans there was not the right material to attract a broader audience, or they potentially could have been marketed better but then they did get good coverage at the time so not sure what more they could have done to influence sales that way. The full year UK sales earned them a gold disc (100,000) for sales of 165,000 against as a direct comparison NGHFB 492,000- source from the Official Chart Company. I am not a Noel fanboy incidentally, although I will put my hand up as a boring accountant who has crunched far to many numbers at both music and non-music related businesses! (Also grudgingly got involved on occasion in the thankless task that is marketing ) Incidentally BE massively undersold DGSS with 71,000 (Silver disc) certified sales to date, despite being IMO a superior album to DGSS. The point is that as musical history has shown repeatedly (Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, NY Dolls to name but three) putting out a great album does not guarantee success in charts or long term sales. Mick Jagger famously got a jolt to his ego when his 1985 solo album "She's The Boss"" was released coming off the back of what was The Rolling Stones most successful tour & commercial period to date in 1981-83, yet only gained a silver disc and a no. 6 UK chart placing. It did in fairness go on to sell over a million in the USA despite only ever reaching 13 on the Billboard 200. If Liam is indeed planning a return to music then IMO he should be looking at a long term plan for his comeback album, with well worn paths such as teasers, interviews and extensive touring backed by newer methods via social media, etc. That way he can potentially build upon sales and bring his name up to the forefront as an individual artist rather than the "former Oasis singer", as I have seen him referred to on more than one occasion in the press in recent times. By doing this I feel he would give himself the best chance of success and a platform to further build upon, and if he does exceed expectations on the forum or in the industry with higher than predicted sales then he would be in a win-win situation would he not? What is completely ignorant is to suggest he would struggle to get a top 10 album. He is more famous than Johnny Marr, Miles Kane etc. Who beady eye sold more than incidently (don't see their fans calling them a failure) and they manage it. And we can all talk for days about how much better Beady Eye should have been marketed. For all their faults, there was more than enough material to attract a much better following and sales. And on the case of Noel, his first album sold brilliantly off the back of a " hit" in What A Life. A song that did well because it was on a commercial. Im not saying his album wasn't better but if that's how you gain commercial success then give me the way Beady Eye did it everytime. The fanbase Noel taps into is the "wonderwall and don't look back in anger" sort of fan. That is so evident at gigs. Beady Eye retained that core Oasis crowd.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 24, 2015 10:58:54 GMT -5
It's not being "against Liam" or being "completely ignorant" to suggest that Liam Gallagher would at this point perhaps struggle to gain a number one album. Before I go on I am not saying it isn't possible with the right songs, co-writers (perhaps), producer, etc. but the fact is he has lost some ground with the relative commercial failure of Beady Eye. I don't think Beady Eye were unlucky not to get a number one album personally, it was more a case looking back that the sales simply were not there for whatever reason- maybe aside from dedicated Oasis fans there was not the right material to attract a broader audience, or they potentially could have been marketed better but then they did get good coverage at the time so not sure what more they could have done to influence sales that way. The full year UK sales earned them a gold disc (100,000) for sales of 165,000 against as a direct comparison NGHFB 492,000- source from the Official Chart Company. I am not a Noel fanboy incidentally, although I will put my hand up as a boring accountant who has crunched far to many numbers at both music and non-music related businesses! (Also grudgingly got involved on occasion in the thankless task that is marketing ) Incidentally BE massively undersold DGSS with 71,000 (Silver disc) certified sales to date, despite being IMO a superior album to DGSS. The point is that as musical history has shown repeatedly (Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, NY Dolls to name but three) putting out a great album does not guarantee success in charts or long term sales. Mick Jagger famously got a jolt to his ego when his 1985 solo album "She's The Boss"" was released coming off the back of what was The Rolling Stones most successful tour & commercial period to date in 1981-83, yet only gained a silver disc and a no. 6 UK chart placing. It did in fairness go on to sell over a million in the USA despite only ever reaching 13 on the Billboard 200. If Liam is indeed planning a return to music then IMO he should be looking at a long term plan for his comeback album, with well worn paths such as teasers, interviews and extensive touring backed by newer methods via social media, etc. That way he can potentially build upon sales and bring his name up to the forefront as an individual artist rather than the "former Oasis singer", as I have seen him referred to on more than one occasion in the press in recent times. By doing this I feel he would give himself the best chance of success and a platform to further build upon, and if he does exceed expectations on the forum or in the industry with higher than predicted sales then he would be in a win-win situation would he not? What is completely ignorant is to suggest he would struggle to get a top 10 album.He is more famous than Johnny Marr, Miles Kane etc. Who beady eye sold more than incidently (don't see their fans calling them a failure) and they manage it. And we can all talk for days about how much better Beady Eye should have been marketed. For all their faults, there was more than enough material to attract a much better following and sales. And on the case of Noel, his first album sold brilliantly off the back of a " hit" in What A Life. A song that did well because it was on a commercial. Im not saying his album wasn't better but if that's how you gain commercial success then give me the way Beady Eye did it everytime. The fanbase Noel taps into is the "wonderwall and don't look back in anger" sort of fan. That is so evident at gigs. Beady Eye retained that core Oasis crowd. Won't disagree on that- he would certainly get a top ten and probably a top five UK album for my money under his own name whichever week he released it. With regards to the material on DGSS as someone who likes it I am inclined to agree, although as the charts show you can't rely on public taste I think that Liam, rightly or wrongly, was always going to judged against the sales of his brother and Oasis by the music press and people with an interest in general. With Johnny Marr his first band has been split for coming on three decades, whilst The Smiths actual sales figures increased more as the legend grew, sort of the way The Pixies and The Stone Roses did. As to Miles Kane neither his former band nor he ever really scaled major heights, and IMO at least he is famous simply by association with bigger names for the majority, rather than record sales. The world is changing unfortunately in my view, where song licensing is now the norm "rather than a surprised they did that" moment. I think it was on the last party documentary Noel talked about it "being acceptable for Blur to sell you insurance and VW, which I find disgraceful." That said both he and Gem Archer licensed adverts in the following years, whilst Andy Bell (arguably under coercion from Creation & Ricochet Management) had already done that with Hurricane #1 and The Sun. I actually went to both BE and NGHFB shows and brought the records, so in the scheme of a "core crowd vs casual fan" I don't know where that puts me. Liam Gallagher in his defence is inclined to be himself wheras Noel can play the press all day long- we could discuss this point again at great length but I will leave it that, for better or worse, Liam is always himself but that doesn't always reflect well in news stories to the wider public (his divorce vs coverage of say, Noel's, love children, etc.) To add a final clarifying point I admire the man for both his achievements and for being who he is, but sometimes the modern more shallow perceptions of the wider mainstream society for want of a better description want a more pre-packaged friendly, know what we are getting kind of star unfortunately. I come from an era of Sam Kinison, George Carlin and Bill Hicks as comedians/social commentators, yet apparently that mantle belongs to Russell Brand ( ) and one of the biggest live draws, much like music is the MOR Michael McIntyre
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 11:04:46 GMT -5
I have said this before. I honestly believe. Liam's next move will be his last , his back is against the wall He has to find the right band , the right co writer .......unfortunately I don't think he will. I believe he will always be the lead singer of oasis ........think about that though , that's over a decade of excellence ....I think his next move should be like mick Jagger. Just come out every now and again , get paid , and always say he is working on a new lp ..but never producing it .....because honestly it can't live up to our expectations
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 24, 2015 11:13:29 GMT -5
I have said this before. I honestly believe. Liam's next move will be his last , his back is against the wall He has to find the right band , the right co writer .......unfortunately I don't think he will. I believe he will always be the lead singer of oasis ........think about that though , that's over a decade of excellence ....I think his next move should be like mick Jagger. Just come out every now and again , get paid , and always say he is working on a new lp ..but never producing it .....because honestly it can't live up to our expectations I still stand by my previous posts that he may not release a record again, although I genuinely hope I am wrong. My thinking behind this is he has at least one successful non-music venture with Pretty Green, which is in talks with US Department Store chains for concessions whilst also in negotiations with private equity houses this year for a potential investment, with Liam's stake in the business reportedly valued at £6m (£20m for the company as a incidentally). IMO this figure can only rise if the US side gets distribution and starts to sell, as well as if PE money comes in and the business expands then despite diluting his actual shareholding the overall value of his remaining shares will be much higher than the current valuation, in addition to any dividends he will be receiving on profits. He also, if it is still going ahead, is supposed to be heavily involved in the production of "The Last Party" in various capacities, which again if even a cult success would open the door to another medium to explore. As a personality he could do the Mick Jagger route as well, appearing in television shows or specials, giving his opinions on varying subjects and reinventing himself as the former rock n' roll star who is now a successful businessman. I personally hope as I said before though that he at least gives the "Liam Gallagher" as a solo brand name a chance. The worst case is he will know what happened, and best case is it could exceed both his and others expectations
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 11:19:01 GMT -5
Agreed with all you stated mate
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 11:19:55 GMT -5
I have said this before. I honestly believe. Liam's next move will be his last , his back is against the wall He has to find the right band , the right co writer .......unfortunately I don't think he will. I believe he will always be the lead singer of oasis ........think about that though , that's over a decade of excellence ....I think his next move should be like mick Jagger. Just come out every now and again , get paid , and always say he is working on a new lp ..but never producing it .....because honestly it can't live up to our expectations I still stand by my previous posts that he may not release a record again, although I genuinely hope I am wrong. My thinking behind this is he has at least one successful non-music venture with Pretty Green, which is in talks with US Department Store chains for concessions whilst also in negotiations with private equity houses this year for a potential investment, with Liam's stake in the business reportedly valued at £6m (£20m for the company as a incidentally). IMO this figure can only rise if the US side gets distribution and starts to sell, as well as if PE money comes in and the business expands then despite diluting his actual shareholding the overall value of his remaining shares will be much higher than the current valuation, in addition to any dividends he will be receiving on profits. He also, if it is still going ahead, is supposed to be heavily involved in the production of "The Last Party" in various capacities, which again if even a cult success would open the door to another medium to explore. As a personality he could do the Mick Jagger route as well, appearing in television shows or specials, giving his opinions on varying subjects and reinventing himself as the former rock n' roll star who is now a successful businessman. I personally hope as I said before though that he at least gives the "Liam Gallagher" as a solo brand name a chance. The worst case is he will know what happened, and best case is it could exceed both his and others expectations I could not say it better
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Post by space75gr on Nov 24, 2015 11:29:35 GMT -5
about both Beady Eye albums not reaching number one
DGSS, reached # 3 with excellent/high sales of 66,817 in the first week! In the week of Adele...These sales almost put it in the list of albums with high sales that never reached #1 and its one of the #3 albums with the highest sales. Almost any other week DGSS could comfortably reach #1 outselling any other artist in the chart, in 2013, in any year.
BE reached #2 with healthy/good sales of 34,552 in the first week, losing the battle only by the return of black Sanbbath! Any other week BE could also stand at #1 outselling any other artist.
Ιn 2013, in some posts, i gave a few examples of artists and their 1st week album sales that it's good to remember again :
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at least we have to admit finally that Beady Eye were not exactly a ''failure'' if you think any other indie/alternative band post 2010 til today. They were a failure only in comparison with Oasis and their numbers if you know what mean...oh and the sales of the great Noel but thats a different story i suppose...
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Post by pedrobrasil on Nov 24, 2015 11:30:03 GMT -5
I think he can get a number 1 album.Blur went number 1 with 40000 copies sold.And to be honest a solo career,im my opinion is the better option.He needs to use his name,in Brazil for example no one knows who is beady eye(apart from their fans,he sold out his show hear in 2011) but if you say Liam gallagher almost everyone knows.I have no doubts that he will play bigger venues all around the world with his name.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 24, 2015 17:41:25 GMT -5
I have said this before. I honestly believe. Liam's next move will be his last , his back is against the wall He has to find the right band , the right co writer .......unfortunately I don't think he will. I believe he will always be the lead singer of oasis ........think about that though , that's over a decade of excellence ....I think his next move should be like mick Jagger. Just come out every now and again , get paid , and always say he is working on a new lp ..but never producing it .....because honestly it can't live up to our expectations I still stand by my previous posts that he may not release a record again, although I genuinely hope I am wrong. My thinking behind this is he has at least one successful non-music venture with Pretty Green, which is in talks with US Department Store chains for concessions whilst also in negotiations with private equity houses this year for a potential investment, with Liam's stake in the business reportedly valued at £6m (£20m for the company as a incidentally). IMO this figure can only rise if the US side gets distribution and starts to sell, as well as if PE money comes in and the business expands then despite diluting his actual shareholding the overall value of his remaining shares will be much higher than the current valuation, in addition to any dividends he will be receiving on profits. He also, if it is still going ahead, is supposed to be heavily involved in the production of "The Last Party" in various capacities, which again if even a cult success would open the door to another medium to explore. As a personality he could do the Mick Jagger route as well, appearing in television shows or specials, giving his opinions on varying subjects and reinventing himself as the former rock n' roll star who is now a successful businessman. I personally hope as I said before though that he at least gives the "Liam Gallagher" as a solo brand name a chance. The worst case is he will know what happened, and best case is it could exceed both his and others expectations I like to compare the venture in Pretty Green to Beady Eye, because its a good way to actually establish where Liam Gallagher is in terms of popularity and as a genuine icon. People laughed at the idea of Pretty Green, to the point where it was almost accepted it would fail. All you have to do is walk down a British high street to see its done superbly well. On this forum its generally considered fact that Beady Eye failed because there was no Noel and Liam can't do it alone. In the same way the public do, and a lot of them thought he would (like pretty green). It was no surprise to me to see Noel very cleverly make sure he didn't make mistakes that Beady Eye did. For a start he included his name with a picture of himself on the cover. I have no doubt that was a big mistake from Beady Eye. The cover on the shelves could have literally been anyone. I prefer both Noel albums, but I also think the overall quality of what Beady Eye was putting out should have resulted in sales not too far off Noel, if not quite the same. I have no doubt the reason for Noels solo success is down to tapping into the huge casual oasis fanbase rather than that hardcore fanbase. He has the brains and experience to do so, and as much as I admire the man, he has so many elements of the typical mainstream contrived musicians, if not quite the same level of fame and success.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 17:53:59 GMT -5
whenever I talk about beady eye to someone I usually ended up following it up with "Liam gallaghers band after oasis split", I know beady eye wasnt Liams solo project, it was a band but Liams name wouldve made it more clear who they actually were.
Noel made quite good choice to not only appealling to the more casual fanbase but also introducing more modern dance tracks like what a life, beady eye didnt start to sound at least abit more modern until BE by then people had already made up their mind they were "shit" or had forgotten about them altogether.
I think Noels music has become abit more mainstream since going solo plus you tend to see him doing a lot of stuff on the side like playing as a guest with other musicians that are popular (chris martin) and taking part in gogglebox, hes just abit more in the public eye nowadays.
think hes just played the game more than Liam did and its worked out for him.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 24, 2015 20:17:38 GMT -5
Let's get this Liam Gallagher solo career off the ground please!
I'm talking top shelf producer, someone young and hip. I'm talking top notch songwriters to help Liam co-write or write his music. I'm talking tv show appearances and limited/spread out UK tour dates, nothing big just to kick start the idea of a solo Liam Gallagher.
Let's do this!
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 25, 2015 19:06:05 GMT -5
Kick the coke.
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Post by smash on Nov 26, 2015 0:34:20 GMT -5
I have the name for the solo album: LG x
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 26, 2015 15:16:58 GMT -5
Righto! (In the voice of Eddie Hitler )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 15:19:28 GMT -5
Righto! (In the voice of Eddie Hitler )
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 26, 2015 15:56:40 GMT -5
whenever I talk about beady eye to someone I usually ended up following it up with "Liam gallaghers band after oasis split", I know beady eye wasnt Liams solo project, it was a band but Liams name wouldve made it more clear who they actually were. Noel made quite good choice to not only appealling to the more casual fanbase but also introducing more modern dance tracks like what a life, beady eye didnt start to sound at least abit more modern until BE by then people had already made up their mind they were "shit" or had forgotten about them altogether. I think Noels music has become abit more mainstream since going solo plus you tend to see him doing a lot of stuff on the side like playing as a guest with other musicians that are popular (chris martin) and taking part in gogglebox, hes just abit more in the public eye nowadays. think hes just played the game more than Liam did and its worked out for him. I think Noel deep down has always waned to do that I agree with you tho,Noel's in the public eye more than Liam and I believe he actually enjoys it more than Liam...I mean he's not one of those z-list celebrities but clearly doesn't mind hanging out with some famous personalities,appearing on chat shows etc,he found his balance and seems incredibly comfortable with it and that also paid off in terms of commercial success Liam's not like that and while that's probably made Oasis have the cultural impact they had in the 90s,it's come back to "bite him in the arse" now I still believe he has a solid fanbase and could be successful with the right collaborations,but does he want to do that? On Beady Eye's commercial failure: DGSS first week sales were pretty good,they just were unlucky to go against Adele and Jessie J in her prime but BE's sales were pretty low and you're not doing the guys a favour comparing them to other artists with low first week sales...it didn't even get to gold ffs...people sadly just lost interest in them,which is a shame 'cause I thought and still think the album is good Sure their sales were basically the same as many other indie and alternative artists,but they were always going to be compared to Oasis and Noel's success didn't help either...they could have carried on,but I think Liam was the first to be underwhelmed by sales
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 26, 2015 23:40:40 GMT -5
whenever I talk about beady eye to someone I usually ended up following it up with "Liam gallaghers band after oasis split", I know beady eye wasnt Liams solo project, it was a band but Liams name wouldve made it more clear who they actually were. Noel made quite good choice to not only appealling to the more casual fanbase but also introducing more modern dance tracks like what a life, beady eye didnt start to sound at least abit more modern until BE by then people had already made up their mind they were "shit" or had forgotten about them altogether. I think Noels music has become abit more mainstream since going solo plus you tend to see him doing a lot of stuff on the side like playing as a guest with other musicians that are popular (chris martin) and taking part in gogglebox, hes just abit more in the public eye nowadays. think hes just played the game more than Liam did and its worked out for him. I think Noel deep down has always waned to do that I agree with you tho,Noel's in the public eye more than Liam and I believe he actually enjoys it more than Liam...I mean he's not one of those z-list celebrities but clearly doesn't mind hanging out with some famous personalities,appearing on chat shows etc,he found his balance and seems incredibly comfortable with it and that also paid off in terms of commercial success Liam's not like that and while that's probably made Oasis have the cultural impact they had in the 90s,it's come back to "bite him in the arse" now I still believe he has a solid fanbase and could be successful with the right collaborations,but does he want to do that? On Beady Eye's commercial failure: DGSS first week sales were pretty good,they just were unlucky to go against Adele and Jessie J in her prime but BE's sales were pretty low and you're not doing the guys a favour comparing them to other artists with low first week sales...it didn't even get to gold ffs...people sadly just lost interest in them,which is a shame 'cause I thought and still think the album is good Sure their sales were basically the same as many other indie and alternative artists,but they were always going to be compared to Oasis and Noel's success didn't help either...they could have carried on,but I think Liam was the first to be underwhelmed by sales By discounting where they fare in terms of the indie market though, you are discounting whether they can actually be judged as "failure" or not. Plenty on here are happy to label them a failure. In fact i would go as far as to say its almost written as fact. Simply because Noel sold more. One of the things that first got me to listen to the Gallagher brothers was this care free, not giving a shit attitude. Something Noel Gallagher himself STILL tries to portray today. He STILL says he doesnt give a shit about the charts. All be bit the SIngles charts (wonder why). For Beady Eye to sell more or less exactly the same as a band like Foals (having just graduated from University, i seen how big they were becoming within the indie world), and selling three times as much as a band like Babyshambles (who have an indie icon who is now headlining festivals and playing arenas) is in no way at all a failure. Seen as many here love to go off albums sales. If that is indeed what we have all become. To me, i will always enjoy listening to Liam's voice more. It's perfect for rock n roll. Noel has the tunes but not the voice to carry a whole album. I just get far more exicted for a Liam venture than a Noel one. Noel has become a very cultured, respected and rounded musician. But that isnt Oasis, that isnt what made Oasis. By the way i cringe every time i hear anyone brainwashed by Noel that songs like What A Life are dance music and in a different direction. Wow, he added a different baseline. Well done Noel, it only took you 20 years to ask the session musician to try a few different chords.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 26, 2015 23:59:23 GMT -5
I think Noel deep down has always waned to do that I agree with you tho,Noel's in the public eye more than Liam and I believe he actually enjoys it more than Liam...I mean he's not one of those z-list celebrities but clearly doesn't mind hanging out with some famous personalities,appearing on chat shows etc,he found his balance and seems incredibly comfortable with it and that also paid off in terms of commercial success Liam's not like that and while that's probably made Oasis have the cultural impact they had in the 90s,it's come back to "bite him in the arse" now I still believe he has a solid fanbase and could be successful with the right collaborations,but does he want to do that? On Beady Eye's commercial failure: DGSS first week sales were pretty good,they just were unlucky to go against Adele and Jessie J in her prime but BE's sales were pretty low and you're not doing the guys a favour comparing them to other artists with low first week sales...it didn't even get to gold ffs...people sadly just lost interest in them,which is a shame 'cause I thought and still think the album is good Sure their sales were basically the same as many other indie and alternative artists,but they were always going to be compared to Oasis and Noel's success didn't help either...they could have carried on,but I think Liam was the first to be underwhelmed by sales By discounting where they fare in terms of the indie market though, you are discounting whether they can actually be judged as "failure" or not. Plenty on here are happy to label them a failure. In fact i would go as far as to say its almost written as fact. Simply because Noel sold more. One of the things that first got me to listen to the Gallagher brothers was this care free, not giving a shit attitude. Something Noel Gallagher himself STILL tries to portray today. He STILL says he doesnt give a shit about the charts. All be bit the SIngles charts (wonder why). For Beady Eye to sell more or less exactly the same as a band like Foals (having just graduated from University, i seen how big they were becoming within the indie world), and selling three times as much as a band like Babyshambles (who have an indie icon who is now headlining festivals and playing arenas) is in no way at all a failure. Seen as many here love to go off albums sales. If that is indeed what we have all become. To me, i will always enjoy listening to Liam's voice more. It's perfect for rock n roll. Noel has the tunes but not the voice to carry a whole album. I just get far more exicted for a Liam venture than a Noel one. Noel has become a very cultured, respected and rounded musician. But that isnt Oasis, that isnt what made Oasis. By the way i cringe every time i hear anyone brainwashed by Noel that songs like What A Life are dance music and in a different direction. Wow, he added a different baseline. Well done Noel, it only took you 20 years to ask the session musician to try a few different chords. If anything Noel should do more tunes like What A Life and less like If I Had A Gun. Like you said nothing earth shattering but for someone like Noel, big change of pace from dad rock and acoustic ballads.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 27, 2015 10:28:32 GMT -5
I thought this thread was about Liam's next step, guess I was wrong.
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Post by spaneli on Nov 27, 2015 12:16:46 GMT -5
I think Liam could certainly get a top 10. Both beady eye albums went top three without his name on the marquee. I do think that his main issue is that he has a crap ton of baggage. Between being Liam, having the cloud of Oasis over him, and the "percieved" failure of beady eye, it would take a little bit more from Liam than for most new artists to make himself a legitimate solo act. That is, the same struggle beady eye went through, but on a tough scale since he's coming off the backend of that project. However even with all of those factors, I still think that he can come out with a good album that sells relatively well.
I think Liam's next steps should be what Noel has done on his off time. That is, do guest live spots with newer artists or appear on some albums for other artists. He could do that right now. It doesn't cost him anything, is free publicity, and could open him up to different fanbases without playing the media game of doing talk shows and the like. He could quickly rebuild a bit of his image enough to make a solo career more feasible. Once he's appeared as a guest enough, has some momentum, and has amassed an album with the help of co-workers (afternoon finding a producer like Sitek), then he could release an album and have a real run at it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 12:23:58 GMT -5
I just REALLY hope that if Liam ever released a solo record, he put every bit of effort hes got into it, because its make or break for him, I think he really needs to create new songs that arnt really what hes used to writing, he needs to modernise and freshen up, I know he might get some stick for using a co writer but if the songs are going to be better then it doesnt matter.
Id rather see Liam have some help and release a belting record than release one on his own thats mediocre.
he should focus on a great vocal as well, if he takes people back to the glory days of oasis in his voice even slightly, people will pick up on it imo and if hes got a good song to sing then I cant see why he cant do well, just dont be afraid to try something abit different like Noel did with BOTMI and WAL etc.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 27, 2015 23:34:27 GMT -5
I thought this thread was about Liam's next step, guess I was wrong. Sometimes sarcasm can be the undoing of a man
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