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Post by Jack on Dec 16, 2014 23:25:52 GMT -5
Good job, although those fucking 'nah nah nah's' are so irritating and pointless.
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Post by wozdareden on Dec 17, 2014 16:26:11 GMT -5
Another good exemple of what's been drowned in the mix :
Even George Martin totally forgot about that solo.
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Post by nutsngum on Dec 17, 2014 19:50:59 GMT -5
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Post by davidjay on Dec 18, 2014 8:17:14 GMT -5
This is a conventional OOPS clip, but thought it might be of interest here. Really like the ambient guitar sound they got on this mix. Supersonic OOPS.mp3 (841.68 KB)
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Post by Manualex on Dec 18, 2014 12:59:39 GMT -5
Doing inversion to Half the world away gets you to an instrumental of the song minus the drums. so just guitar and the organ at the end.
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Post by davidjay on Dec 18, 2014 14:14:45 GMT -5
Some notes on applying OOPS to the demos on CDs 2 and 3 of the Definitely Maybe reissue.
OOPSing the alternate mix of Married with Children on CD3 mutes Liam's vocal and isolates the acoustic guitar, electric guitar, plus percussion and stereo reverb added to the repeated "up all night" and "with you" vocals.
D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman? - OOPS isolates acoustic guitar, electric guitar, and the reverb added to Noel and Liam's vocals.
As mentioned before, OOPSing the White Label demo mix of Columbia leaves you with Liam's vocal, the backing vocals, and the samples (and a faint trace of the backing track). All the other demos on the boxset appear to be mono, as OOPSing them leaves you with only a low-level residual signal. Makes me wonder if the Columbia demo, Married With Children, and D'yer Wanna Be a Spaceman? were specially remixed from the 8-track for their original release in '94. As well as various other edits, Liam's vocal is fairly dry on the Live Demonstration mix of Columbia but has reverb added on the White Label demo version.
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Post by nutsngum on Dec 18, 2014 15:21:56 GMT -5
Hi Davidjay, would you be able to try to extract vocals from stuff we have instrumentals for? Tried my best with Heat of the Moment but reckon you'd be better than me at it!
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Post by asimarx on Dec 18, 2014 15:29:53 GMT -5
All the other demos on the boxset appear to be mono, as OOPSing them leaves you with only a low-level residual signal. Makes me wonder if the Columbia demo, Married With Children, and D'yer Wanna Be a Spaceman? were specially remixed from the 8-track for their original release in '94. As well as various other edits, Liam's vocal is fairly dry on the Live Demonstration mix of Columbia but has reverb added on the White Label demo version. Thanks for this, David! Have you already tried the demo of Alive? This could mean they had access to the Real People session mastertapes back in 1994, whereas in 2013, when compiling the reissues, they hadn't. I think Mark Coyle stated in the replica liner notes that the songs were remastered from "the best surviving cassette source" or something similar. You'd at least assume that he had access to the original 8-track recordings of Spaceman and MWC (the percussion version), after all he recorded them himself! My guess is that The Real People denied them access to the mastertapes, so they had to use a copy of the actual mono Live Demonstration tape. One of the Griffiths brothers even proudly claimed to still keep the mastertape of the Rock'n'Roll Star demo on the Definitely Maybe dvd. I can't really imagine that the rest was lost along the way. Now, I just remembered that the 8-track demos that appeared as b-sides are said to have been mastered from a cassette source, weren't they? I think it was your discovery! They certainly sound better. Anyway, it's all a bit confusing, I'm just still slightly upset we haven't got a proper remastering of the Live Demonstration from the original mastertapes. Back to the topic.
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Post by davidjay on Dec 18, 2014 16:39:37 GMT -5
Hi asimarx - will reply properly later but I did try processing Alive on both the original CD single and reissue and they both appear to be mono, cancelling down to just a residual signal. The version on the reissue is mastered louder though. nutsngum Was impressed by your vocal isolation of In the Heat of the Moment btw, thanks very much for posting! I just had a go myself and the results are similar to the file you kindly shared earlier. I could post a clip if you like? Now trying the processing again but with a FLAC file downloaded from Jim's excellent blog. My first attempt was with an mp3 source for the single downloaded from Amazon, so am curious to see if the process may benefit from the different source.
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Post by davidjay on Dec 18, 2014 18:01:37 GMT -5
Just processed In the Heat of the Moment and the end result does appear to benefit from the lossless source material Jim kindly shared on his blog. I have sent Jim the file in case it may be of any use.
It would be good to try out some Oasis tracks with this method, although I'm not sure if some of the earlier instrumentals from the first two albums (like those included on the Stop the Clocks collection) are out there in lossless.
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Post by davidjay on Dec 18, 2014 18:52:56 GMT -5
Tried processing Do the Damage but am not having much luck with it - I've aligned the waveforms, as with In the Heat of the Moment, but am unable to isolate the vocals. I just end up with a lot of phasing - some parts of the backing track are reduced, whilst others just have a phasing effect.
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Post by footballdropout on Dec 18, 2014 22:07:45 GMT -5
Tried processing Do the Damage but am not having much luck with it - I've aligned the waveforms, as with In the Heat of the Moment, but am unable to isolate the vocals. I just end up with a lot of phasing - some parts of the backing track are reduced, whilst others just have a phasing effect. In my experience, it's rare to get an official backing track that's perfectly synced with the official release (such as in Heat of the Moment and the UNKLE promos for the Goal movie in 2005) I've tried to get vocal isolations from the Stop The Clocks CD but they don't sync up. Oh well, maybe one day.
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Post by davidjay on Dec 19, 2014 12:36:53 GMT -5
Tried processing Do the Damage but am not having much luck with it - I've aligned the waveforms, as with In the Heat of the Moment, but am unable to isolate the vocals. I just end up with a lot of phasing - some parts of the backing track are reduced, whilst others just have a phasing effect. In my experience, it's rare to get an official backing track that's perfectly synced with the official release (such as in Heat of the Moment and the UNKLE promos for the Goal movie in 2005) I've tried to get vocal isolations from the Stop The Clocks CD but they don't sync up. Oh well, maybe one day. Hi, footballdropout, thanks for your reply and work on this. I was just discussing this with a mate and he explained that a lot of Oasis tracks won't sync perfectly because the tracks were mostly mixed down to analogue tape. So two different transfers of the same track off half-inch tape (say, the master mix of Some Might Say and the instrumental) won't sync perfectly due to the very slight variations in playback speed. In addition the instrumentals we have are often un-mastered - and the difference in EQ, RMS level, degree of dynamic range compression and limiting compared to the mastered final mix further compromises the attempt to cancel the signals against each other. He added that this applies right up to Dig Out Your Soul, where the tracks were mixed down to analogue tape. It might be worth looking at some tracks from SOTSOG where we have instrumentals, as it was mixed digitally (although the multitrack recording in France was on 24-track analogue tape).
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Post by kennerado on Dec 21, 2014 7:25:42 GMT -5
So it might potentially work with Go Let It Out?
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Post by davidjay on Dec 21, 2014 8:01:33 GMT -5
So it might potentially work with Go Let It Out? Yes, it might do - haven't tried it yet though. I guess there could also be the odd track in the earlier part of the band's discography that was mixed down to DAT (Mike Marsh mentioned that one or two tracks from Be Here Now and the Masterplan album were mastered from DAT). I'm not sure if we have instrumentals for many tracks from those albums though. Edited to add notes from interview with Mike Marsh. The following tracks from Be Here Now and its singles were from DAT Regarding the Masterplan album, Mike explained that:
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Post by carlober on Jan 13, 2015 12:25:21 GMT -5
I've just had a go at OOPSing my Amazon MP3 of Ballad of the Mighty I.The mix doesn't bring out anything we can't hear in the normal version, but you can now fully appreciate the piano and those awesome disco strings in the foreground. Clip of the most interesting part here: soundcloud.com/m-car/botmi-oops-clip/s-kZE9T
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 13, 2015 12:52:32 GMT -5
^ I like that. That means Noel tried to get everything out of it in the production.
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Post by Jim on Feb 6, 2015 9:41:20 GMT -5
Would anyone be able to give the oops treatment to the Noel Gallagher remix of The Knock On Effect please?
Just to see if we can hear anymore of his guitar and maybe a removal of the Mike D vocals?
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Post by davidjay on Feb 6, 2015 10:27:58 GMT -5
Would anyone be able to give the oops treatment to the Noel Gallagher remix of The Knock On Effect please? Just to see if we can hear anymore of his guitar and maybe a removal of the Mike D vocals? I'll have a go at this later Jim. Will let you know how I get on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 10:31:29 GMT -5
Would anyone be able to give the oops treatment to the Noel Gallagher remix of The Knock On Effect please? Just to see if we can hear anymore of his guitar and maybe a removal of the Mike D vocals? I hope I've done it properly. Here's a link: www.sendspace.com/file/f4ykcb
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 16:34:54 GMT -5
Could you PLEASE do some Radiohead songs - anything off Ok Computer would be a treat omg PARANOID ANDROID haha sorry if you can't for reasons I don't understand or if it would take too long but that song/album is just BEGGING to have beautiful hidden details found...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 20:28:06 GMT -5
Could you PLEASE do some Radiohead songs - anything off Ok Computer would be a treat omg PARANOID ANDROID haha sorry if you can't for reasons I don't understand or if it would take too long but that song/album is just BEGGING to have beautiful hidden details found... I've done Paranoid Android for starters. I'll have a go at some more form OK Computer tomorrow. www.sendspace.com/file/fsi4uu
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Post by glider on Feb 6, 2015 22:01:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 6:48:32 GMT -5
Made of Stone does sound incredible. I've done I Am The Resurrection (Which isolates I think just one guitar in the instrumental outro) and Love Spreads (Which removes the lead guitar so you can really hear the way effect on the rhythm guitar) Love Spreads - www.sendspace.com/file/t0etglI Am The Resurrection - www.sendspace.com/file/lxtb1q
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 7:11:28 GMT -5
Could you PLEASE do some Radiohead songs - anything off Ok Computer would be a treat omg PARANOID ANDROID haha sorry if you can't for reasons I don't understand or if it would take too long but that song/album is just BEGGING to have beautiful hidden details found... Here's the whole of OK Computer. I've only listened to a couple of the tracks so I can't tell you if there are that many differences. www.sendspace.com/file/3wvc5rEnjoy!
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