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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 15, 2011 15:21:23 GMT -5
are you serious or are you trying to be funny? wonderwall and don't look back in anger are commercial as it's best. they sold nearly 2mio copies. that isn't very indie, is it? the beatles are the most successful band of of all time. how can you say this band is indie? sure they were indie before they got famous, but after that they were like the backstreet boys in terms of the hysteria. d'you ever heard the word "beatlemania"? oasis were as big as muse, lady gaga or katy perry now but in 96. they were a big mainstream act. it's ridiculous to deny this fact I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SALES. I'm talking about attitude, music spirit. Wonderwall is wonderwall, it's a wonderfull song. It wouldn't have been any different if it had sold 3 copies. Coldplay plagarisum Lorca - Ritmo de la Noche for their last single isnt' very close to the band making "Yellow". Is it?
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Post by spaneli on Dec 15, 2011 15:24:54 GMT -5
I just want to know how U2, RHCP, and Muse are in the same class? Huh? C'mon man. I know you didn't just try to sell that b.s. And then to say that Muse are ahead of Radiohead by any type of measuring stick, even commercially. Wow. I thought that I've read and see it all, but apparently I haven't. For god sake, I'm not talking about worldwilde sales. A band like Coldplay have changed everything from his sound to his look between the first and the last album. Muse have changed his music too. It became more commercial, more mainstream, more radio friendly and less interesting. The RHCP have too, they just haven't changed their look. Here indie music fan call it "radio rock", it's not real rock n roll, it's mainstream music with guitar or bass. Oasis are real rock n roll. Then where are you talking about? Mars? Where? I can't count U.S. sales and I can't count Worldwide sales? Well if that's the case then I think Neu might be mainstream too. What's mainstream today? Whatever you're calling it. I'm calling b.s. on you. They changed their sound and have become more commercial. And Oasis didn't? You're contradicting yourself everywhere, you have no proof, all you have are baseless opinions, and better yet, you put Muse in the same category as U2. I don't care what they've done in the U.K.. They're not U2 mainstream. And I still don't get how they're past Radiohead in being mainstream? You still haven't answered that. Unbelievable.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 15, 2011 15:26:35 GMT -5
are you serious or are you trying to be funny? wonderwall and don't look back in anger are commercial as it's best. they sold nearly 2mio copies. that isn't very indie, is it? the beatles are the most successful band of of all time. how can you say this band is indie? sure they were indie before they got famous, but after that they were like the backstreet boys in terms of the hysteria. d'you ever heard the word "beatlemania"? oasis were as big as muse, lady gaga or katy perry now but in 96. they were a big mainstream act. it's ridiculous to deny this fact I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SALES. I'm talking about attitude, music spirit. Wonderwall is wonderwall, it's a wonderfull song. It wouldn't have been any different if it had sold 3 copies. Coldplay plagarisum Lorca - Ritmo de la Noche for their last single isnt' very close to the band making "Yellow". Is it? OASIS AREN'T AN INDIE-BAND FFS. i guess you don't really know what indie means
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Post by spaneli on Dec 15, 2011 15:28:22 GMT -5
are you serious or are you trying to be funny? wonderwall and don't look back in anger are commercial as it's best. they sold nearly 2mio copies. that isn't very indie, is it? the beatles are the most successful band of of all time. how can you say this band is indie? sure they were indie before they got famous, but after that they were like the backstreet boys in terms of the hysteria. d'you ever heard the word "beatlemania"? oasis were as big as muse, lady gaga or katy perry now but in 96. they were a big mainstream act. it's ridiculous to deny this fact I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SALES. I'm talking about attitude, music spirit. Wonderwall is wonderwall, it's a wonderfull song. It wouldn't have been any different if it had sold 3 copies. Coldplay plagarisum Lorca - Ritmo de la Noche for their last single isnt' very close to the band making "Yellow". Is it? How is the spirit behind Wonderwall indie? Just tell me. And who determines the spirit behind something? You? Spirit has nothing to do with it. The very essence of something being mainstream is that it's identifiable by the masses, not the spirit behind it. And by that definition, sales do matter as if you're mainstream or not.
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 15, 2011 15:31:28 GMT -5
For god sake, I'm not talking about worldwilde sales. A band like Coldplay have changed everything from his sound to his look between the first and the last album. Muse have changed his music too. It became more commercial, more mainstream, more radio friendly and less interesting. The RHCP have too, they just haven't changed their look. Here indie music fan call it "radio rock", it's not real rock n roll, it's mainstream music with guitar or bass. Oasis are real rock n roll. Then where are you talking about? Mars? Where? I can't count U.S. sales and I can't count Worldwide sales? Well if that's the case then I think Neu might be mainstream too. What's mainstream today? Whatever you're calling it. I'm calling b.s. on you. They changed their sound and have become more commercial. And Oasis didn't? You're contradicting yourself everywhere, you have no proof, all you have are baseless opinions, and better yet, you put Muse in the same category as U2. I don't care what they've done in the U.K.. They're not U2 mainstream. And I still don't get how they're past Radiohead in being mainstream? You still haven't answered that. Unbelievable. I'm not talking about sales at all, I'm talking about band that have changed their sound, their look, their attitude, their show to become more mainstream and more succesfull. While their album were worst and worst. And Muse are huge in Europe, so it worked. Oasis haven't done that, they didn't change their sound to make it more appealing to radio, they didn't change their lad personality, they didn't change their look. They've remain the same. Radiohead change his sound to being less commercial. Mainstream is clean guitar, lazy melody, very polished sound, boring lyrics, it's radio pop dessed as rock. It doesn't make it rock. Coldplay last single isn't rock, it's a joke. it's sampling Ritmo de la Noche. It's only make to appeal to teenagers wth no clue about music. Coldplay first album was a very classy album. Why are you all obsessed by American sales, unbelievable.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 15, 2011 15:35:07 GMT -5
Then where are you talking about? Mars? Where? I can't count U.S. sales and I can't count Worldwide sales? Well if that's the case then I think Neu might be mainstream too. What's mainstream today? Whatever you're calling it. I'm calling b.s. on you. They changed their sound and have become more commercial. And Oasis didn't? You're contradicting yourself everywhere, you have no proof, all you have are baseless opinions, and better yet, you put Muse in the same category as U2. I don't care what they've done in the U.K.. They're not U2 mainstream. And I still don't get how they're past Radiohead in being mainstream? You still haven't answered that. Unbelievable. Oasis haven't done that, they didn't change their sound to make it more appealing to radio, they didn't change their lad personality, they didn't change their look. They've remain the same. Radiohead change his sound to being less commercial. you're right. oasis never did that. but thats because they made commercial music from the beginning. very good commercial music for sure. arcade fire is an indie-band. oasis simply not
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Post by spaneli on Dec 15, 2011 15:36:19 GMT -5
Then where are you talking about? Mars? Where? I can't count U.S. sales and I can't count Worldwide sales? Well if that's the case then I think Neu might be mainstream too. What's mainstream today? Whatever you're calling it. I'm calling b.s. on you. They changed their sound and have become more commercial. And Oasis didn't? You're contradicting yourself everywhere, you have no proof, all you have are baseless opinions, and better yet, you put Muse in the same category as U2. I don't care what they've done in the U.K.. They're not U2 mainstream. And I still don't get how they're past Radiohead in being mainstream? You still haven't answered that. Unbelievable. I'm not talking about sales at all, I'm talking about band that have changed their sound, their look, their attitude, their show to become more mainstream and more succesfull. While their album were worst and worst. And Muse are huge in Europe, so it worked. Oasis haven't done that, they didn't change their sound to make it more appealing to radio, they didn't change their lad personality, they didn't change their look. They've remain the same. Radiohead change his sound to being less commercial. Mainstream is clean guitar, lazy melody, very polished sound, boring lyrics, it's pop dess as rock. It doesn't make it rock. Coldplay last single isn't rock, it's a joke. it's sampling Ritmo de la Noche. It's only make to appeal to teenagers wth no clue about music. Why are you all obsessed by American sales, unbelievable. I think you should the post I put after that. You're definition of mainstream is completely wrong. You've named some characteristics of being mainstream, but you haven't addressed what mainstream is. And if you don't think that Heathen Chemistry isn't a sign of a band trying to be more commercial, then you're clearly in denial. Being mainstream has everything to do with sales, that's why you're mainstream. It doesn't matter how you get there it the fact that you got there. Bring proof. Right now. Bring proof that Muse are in the same league as Radiohead by any measuring stick. Bring proof that Muse are somehow just as commercial as U2. If you can't find it. Then it is probably because both things untrue. And you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 15, 2011 15:45:04 GMT -5
so called indie-bands are always against the mainstream by the way. and that doesn't concur with the attitude by the gallaghers to be the best band in the world
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 15, 2011 15:46:44 GMT -5
Read my post again, I've been pretty clear. Some band stay what the are an do what they want to do and become very succesfull, like Oasis, Arcade Fire, The Verve, Radiohead. Some changes what they are at the beggining to have more success, get their sound more polished, more clean, more radio friendly and their album are just worst and worst. U2 have done it, Muse have done it, coldplay have done it, RDCHP have done it.
That's what being commercial means to me.
And if Oasis was trying to be more mainstream with HC, we can say that they failed and realised it so they've made better album after , since HC is and is seen as their worst. They've realised it, Noel hates Hindu Times because he admits he was just trying to make a number 1 single here. Meanwhile he's proud of Supersonic or Wonderwall, they're just great song that happened to have huge success, they're not formatted to be mainstream sound.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 15, 2011 15:54:00 GMT -5
Read my post again, I've been pretty clear. Some band stay what the are an do what they want to do and become very succesfull, like Oasis, Arcade Fire, The Verve, Radiohead. Some changes what they are at the beggining to have more success, get their sound more polished, more clean, more radio friendly and their album are just worst and worst. U2 have done it, Muse have done it, coldplay have done it, RDCHP have done it. That's what being commercial means to me. And if Oasis was trying to be more mainstream with HC, we can say that they failed and realised it so they've made better album after , since HC is and is seen as their worst. They've realised it, Noel hates Hindu Times because he admits he was just trying to make a number 1 single here. Meanwhile he's proud of Supersonic or Wonderwall, they're just great song that happened to have huge success, they're not formatted to be mainstream sound. u2 has never changed their sound to be more mainstream. they created their own guitar sound which was copied by bands like coldplay or the kings of leon recently. have you ever listened to achtung baby or pop? you really say that those albums are mainstream?
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 15, 2011 15:56:22 GMT -5
Read my post again, I've been pretty clear. Some band stay what the are an do what they want to do and become very succesfull, like Oasis, Arcade Fire, The Verve, Radiohead. Some changes what they are at the beggining to have more success, get their sound more polished, more clean, more radio friendly and their album are just worst and worst. U2 have done it, Muse have done it, coldplay have done it, RDCHP have done it. That's what being commercial means to me. And if Oasis was trying to be more mainstream with HC, we can say that they failed and realised it so they've made better album after , since HC is and is seen as their worst. They've realised it, Noel hates Hindu Times because he admits he was just trying to make a number 1 single here. Meanwhile he's proud of Supersonic or Wonderwall, they're just great song that happened to have huge success, they're not formatted to be mainstream sound. u2 has never changed their sound to be more mainstream. they created their own guitar sound which is copied by bands like coldplay or the kings of leon recently. have you ever listened to achtung baby or pop? you really say that those albums are mainstream? There's a difference between their first albums and a song like vertigo or Elevation no ? Some are the work of a nice band, some are commercial meanstream shits.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 15, 2011 15:58:52 GMT -5
u2 has never changed their sound to be more mainstream. they created their own guitar sound which is copied by bands like coldplay or the kings of leon recently. have you ever listened to achtung baby or pop? you really say that those albums are mainstream? There's a difference between their first albums and a song like vertigo or Elevation no ? Some are the work of a nice ban, some are commercial meanstream shits. it's the u2 sound which they created on their own which was getting commercial not the band itself
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Post by spaneli on Dec 15, 2011 15:59:55 GMT -5
There's a difference between their first albums and a song like vertigo or Elevation no ? Some are the work of a nice ban, some are commercial meanstream shits. it's the u2 sound which they created on their own which was getting commercial not the band itself Hit the nail right on the head.
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 15, 2011 16:04:14 GMT -5
There's a difference between their first albums and a song like vertigo or Elevation no ? Some are the work of a nice ban, some are commercial meanstream shits. it's the u2 sound which they created on their own which was getting commercial not the band itself I see the difference, sorry. Do you at least agree for the other band ? If you still don't see what I mean, if you're saying you really don't have a clue, I out of trying to explain it, I know a big amount of people and Oasis fans who know what I mean. And I hope you wont run into european indie music fan in your life, they're way more intolerant than I am.
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Post by spaneli on Dec 15, 2011 16:06:00 GMT -5
it's the u2 sound which they created on their own which was getting commercial not the band itself I see the difference, sorry. Do you at least agree for the other band ? If you still don't see what I mean, if you're saying you really don't have a clue, I out of trying to explain it, I know a big amount of people and Oasis fans who know what I mean. And I hope you wont run into european indie music fan in your life, they're way more intolerant than I am. I hope begin to realize that Heathen Chemistry was the sign of a band trying to be more commercial. Which blows up any theory that you have that Oasis weren't mainstream.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 15, 2011 16:06:38 GMT -5
it's the u2 sound which they created on their own which was getting commercial not the band itself I see the difference, sorry. Do you at least agree for the other band ? If you still don't see what I mean, if you're saying you really don't have a clue, I out of trying to explain it, I know a big amount of people and Oasis fans who know what I mean. And I hope you wont run into european indie music fan in your life, they're way more intolerant than I am. i live in europe and i know people who are listen to indie music. and those bands are probably unheard for most of the people here. oasis clearly isn't one of them
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 15, 2011 16:09:03 GMT -5
I see the difference, sorry. Do you at least agree for the other band ? If you still don't see what I mean, if you're saying you really don't have a clue, I out of trying to explain it, I know a big amount of people and Oasis fans who know what I mean. And I hope you wont run into european indie music fan in your life, they're way more intolerant than I am. i live in europe and i know people who are listen to indie music. and those bands are probably unheard for most of the people here. oasis clearly isn't one of them Coldplay, Muse, U2 and RHCP are huge in Europe and still are when Oasis wasn't that much in the 00's. Give me a break.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 15, 2011 16:10:55 GMT -5
i live in europe and i know people who are listen to indie music. and those bands are probably unheard for most of the people here. oasis clearly isn't one of them Coldplay, Muse, U2 and RHCP are huge in Europe and still are when Oasis wasn't that much in the 00's. Give me a break. but thats not because they're indie. thats because the records weren't as good as the first two and people got bored of oasis
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Post by caro on Dec 15, 2011 16:15:27 GMT -5
wow I'm not even going to read it all but I never said Muse are like U2... I barely said that touring with U2 in the US helped them gaining more fame over here and was saying that Noel doing something similar with RHCP could get him exposure...
as far as i'm concerned, i've been following muse since their beginnings and yes i know they're huge in europe. They've been getting a lot of attention and airplay in the US for their last album and I'm sure touring huge US stadiums with U2 had something to do with it...
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Post by gdforever on Dec 15, 2011 16:18:01 GMT -5
I think I can clear this up.
Howsoonisnow does not like mainstream music.
He doesn't like Muse
Therefore Muse = mainstream.
Very simple.
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Post by spaneli on Dec 15, 2011 16:18:38 GMT -5
wow I'm not even going to read it all but I never said Muse are like U2... I barely said that touring with U2 in the US helped them gaining more fame over here and was saying that Noel doing something similar with RHCP could get him exposure... as far as i'm concerned, i've been following muse since their beginnings and yes i know they're huge in europe. They've been getting a lot of attention and airplay in the US for their last album and I'm sure touring huge US stadiums with U2 had something to do with it... I love that you commented, left, came back, and then found 3 extra pages of nonsense. ;D
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 15, 2011 16:18:40 GMT -5
Coldplay, Muse, U2 and RHCP are huge in Europe and still are when Oasis wasn't that much in the 00's. Give me a break. but thats not because they're indie. thats because the records weren't as good as the first two and people got bored of oasis Yeah and all the other band I've quoted are making worst and worst album and are still very succesfull. That's because they have changed and clean their sound to appeal to another part of people, not just rock lovers and they've eventually lost their first audience. They've became mainstream. Like Lady gaga is mainstream. Oasis hasn't done that, they weren't succesfull because they' were mainstream, they were succesfull because they were just universaly liked, from the indie rock lover to the 14 years old teeanger. When the album became less good the audience left little by little. Nobody's pointing out that Coldplay shouldn't sell that much record since their album are so shite, that's a proof of being mainstream isn't it? they've changed too much from what they were at first. They're almost a different band. But I'm not saying ground breaking news here, everyone from the press to music ffan will say the same thing to you.
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Post by caro on Dec 15, 2011 16:42:25 GMT -5
well I do wonder how coldplay sells so many albums being so boring
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Post by youandmegirl on Dec 15, 2011 16:43:17 GMT -5
...(*cough) *spits out loogie*...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2011 19:12:59 GMT -5
It's at page 7. I can't believe it.
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