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Post by gdforever on Dec 14, 2011 10:44:18 GMT -5
Goodness. The way some of you people talk. Noel and BDI are new acts. Of course they aren't going to be the top of every bill. And opening for more popular live acts is a great idea. It's such a falsehood that no one that likes RHCP could like Noel. There are no 2 bands with a perfectly overlapping fanbase...heck even BDI and Noels fanbases diverge slightly. I actually think he and BDI should be doing more of it in their smaller markets.
If you don't like RHCP then there are more than enough Noel solo shows for you to attend instead. This gig isn't for you. Opening acts won't convert every audience member...but to deny that it gains fans is ludicrous. It is why bands do it! It's not like most are going to be intense RHCP fans at a massive gig at this point and won't like a different style of the same larger genre.
I've seen tons of support bands that are stylistically different than the headline act and bought the opening acts album off the back of the gig.
How big is this gig going to be anyways?
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Post by primus420vidz on Dec 14, 2011 10:47:08 GMT -5
Primus, Ween and The Flaming Lips always went well together. Fans got along well. Smoking makes everything better. Including This Forum!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 10:52:57 GMT -5
Theres just no pleasing some of you lot is there...
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 14, 2011 10:56:37 GMT -5
[ You're knocking down strawmen here. Who said anything about a Muse cover? Who said anything about opening for Blink 182 or Alice In Chains? There is a huge difference between Justin Bieber and the RHCP. And you know it. And if you think that teenagers with yellow hair are the RHCP's audience, you seriously have no clue. RHCP fans are basically the exact same profile and age as Oasis fans. Perhaps even older, as they've been around awhile longer. Noel has never slagged off the Chili Peppers in print. Never. On the contrary, he's shown them significant respect. When I was in high school everyone was into RHCP except for me and they were already quite an old act. Of course there going to be teenagers, they appeal a lot to teenagers. Then as for the old fans, I think they've heard of Oasis in their lives. Seeing Noel solo before the Red Hot won't change what they think of him. Maybe one or two will realise he like it but franckly I don't expect much. And what I meant was, if you consider there's no problem with Noel opening with the Red hot, it's an open door for him to open for any shit act he wouldn't have even consider two years ago. For the last time, NOEL GALLAGHER ISN'T A NEW ACT, Noel Gallagher is a huge part of english culture and rock history. He's not a new coming act struggling to get some audience, a huge part of his set includes Oasis anthems that every guy in the RHCP stadium will know the lyrics. It's not the definition of a new act.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 14, 2011 10:58:08 GMT -5
A moral thing? Are you daft? Oasis is now morally superior to the Red Hot Chili Peppers because of hair, tattoos and jumping around? Noel should only play with bands that look similar to him? Are you some arch-villain parent railing against the longhairs from a bad film set in the 1960s? The close-mindedness of this post is staggering. Hence all of the question marks. A moral thing for Noel, he spent the last 20 years to slag off every band for whom he has no respect and that didn't belong in his music family, from blink 182 to Alice in chains. And now he opens for RHCP to gain some teeangers with yellow hair getting vaguely interested in him while he's gonna play wonderwall. And yelling "fleeeaaaa" during his set. It's embarassing. Of course I'm close minded about music, you have to be otherwise you would consider Noel opening for Bieber is great thing since it's gonna bring young hears to Noel. Your lack of morality for music is shoking, as if you would let Noel make a Muse cover to have 3 more album sold. are you simple minded? he'll just open for a big act in a big stadium once. that has nothing to do with him slagging people off for 20 years. i don't think he needs to do that but otherwise i haven't got a problem with it. oasis were the pre-act for u2 in 97 although they were one of the biggest acts in the world back then. but it is a good promotion thing. don't know why you have to do such a big deal out of it. it's ridiculous
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Post by manualex on Dec 14, 2011 10:59:19 GMT -5
I wish i lived in Ireland... what a treat NG and RHCP in one bill...
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Post by headshrinker84 on Dec 14, 2011 11:00:39 GMT -5
[ You're knocking down strawmen here. Who said anything about a Muse cover? Who said anything about opening for Blink 182 or Alice In Chains? There is a huge difference between Justin Bieber and the RHCP. And you know it. And if you think that teenagers with yellow hair are the RHCP's audience, you seriously have no clue. RHCP fans are basically the exact same profile and age as Oasis fans. Perhaps even older, as they've been around awhile longer. Noel has never slagged off the Chili Peppers in print. Never. On the contrary, he's shown them significant respect. When I was in high school everyone was into RHCP except from me and they were already quite an old act. Of course there going to be teenagers, they appeal a lot to teenagers. Then as for the old fans, I think they've heard of Oasis in their lives. Seeing Noel solo before the Red Hot won't change what they think of him. Maybe one or two will realise he like it but franckly I don't expect much. And what I meant was, if you consider there's no problem with Noel opening with the Red hot, it's an open door for him to open for any shit act he wouldn't have even consider two years ago. For the last time, NOEL GALLAGHER ISN'T A NEW ACT, Noel Gallagher is a huge part of english culture and rock history. He's not a new coming act struggling to get some audience, a huge part of his set includes Oasis anthems that every guy in the RHCP stadium will know the lyrics. It's not the definition of a new act. Oasis Take a chill pill. I know lot's of people who love RHCP and also like Oasis.
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Post by primus420vidz on Dec 14, 2011 11:01:41 GMT -5
I do not judge Noel for this decision. I think its great to see RHCP fans finally getting to hear some good music before there band comes out and jams. Also my brother has been a fan of RHCP since the early 90s. Good job Noel for being open minded and taking a chance for a new audience! Good Luck and Let there be a recording!
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 14, 2011 11:06:15 GMT -5
are you simple minded? he'll just open for a big act in a big stadium once. that has nothing to do with him slagging people off for 20 years. i don't think he needs to do that but otherwise i haven't got a problem with it. oasis were the pre-act for u2 in 97 although they were one of the biggest acts in the world back then. but it is a good promotion thing. don't know why you have to do such a big deal out of it. it's ridiculous First, why do you need to insult me? Second, Noel Gallagher doesn't just represent a guy who makes great song to me, he represents a morality, a guy who never played the media game, a guy who have never sold himself. A guy who was making fun of Michale Untchense while he was giving him an award. He and Liam were famous for their integrity. He's a very rare thing in music. Liam and him were getting along on that. When I see a bill with the RHCP and the HFB, I think it's another planet to me, he has nothing to do here, it goes against everything he said or did before. When Oasis oppened for Neil Young, or even U2, it was ok, Noel never hide his admiration for those acts. With Neil Young, it was a great idea. It's the same musical family, if Noel was oppening for the Stone Roses, I would find it great. But opening for RHCP is just wrong. If you don't get that, because it will make him sell two more records, good for you, I don't feel the same way at all, it doesn't make me simple minded, it makes me having some values.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 14, 2011 11:09:52 GMT -5
[ You're knocking down strawmen here. Who said anything about a Muse cover? Who said anything about opening for Blink 182 or Alice In Chains? There is a huge difference between Justin Bieber and the RHCP. And you know it. And if you think that teenagers with yellow hair are the RHCP's audience, you seriously have no clue. RHCP fans are basically the exact same profile and age as Oasis fans. Perhaps even older, as they've been around awhile longer. Noel has never slagged off the Chili Peppers in print. Never. On the contrary, he's shown them significant respect. When I was in high school everyone was into RHCP except for me and they were already quite an old act. Of course there going to be teenagers, they appeal a lot to teenagers. Then as for the old fans, I think they've heard of Oasis in their lives. Seeing Noel solo before the Red Hot won't change what they think of him. Maybe one or two will realise he like it but franckly I don't expect much. And what I meant was, if you consider there's no problem with Noel opening with the Red hot, it's an open door for him to open for any shit act he wouldn't have even consider two years ago. For the last time, NOEL GALLAGHER ISN'T A NEW ACT, Noel Gallagher is a huge part of english culture and rock history. He's not a new coming act struggling to get some audience, a huge part of his set includes Oasis anthems that every guy in the RHCP stadium will know the lyrics. It's not the definition of a new act. Oasis He is a new act in many ways. 9 Oasis songs doesn't make him the equivalent of Oasis. His set has more established hits than BDI's...but that doesn't make him any less new. Noel isn't trying to sell them on the Oasis anthems of the past. He is trying to sell them on the new stuff...which many would never hear live or on record. If EOTR for instance never gets released as a single (which it probably won't) that means that no one will hear it for the most part unless they listen to the album. Same for broken arrow. To listen to you pontificate Noel should just stop trying. You are the kind of person that doesn't think they should do something to legalize gay marriage BECAUSE it opens the doors to people marrying goats There is nothing empirically wrong with liking RHCP. And I'll go out on a limb and say there is not EMPIRICALLY wrong with liking Justin Bieber. Personally I don't see it...but different strokes for different folks
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 14, 2011 11:13:06 GMT -5
are you simple minded? he'll just open for a big act in a big stadium once. that has nothing to do with him slagging people off for 20 years. i don't think he needs to do that but otherwise i haven't got a problem with it. oasis were the pre-act for u2 in 97 although they were one of the biggest acts in the world back then. but it is a good promotion thing. don't know why you have to do such a big deal out of it. it's ridiculous Second, Noel Gallagher doesn't just represent a guy who makes great song to me, he represents a morality, a guy who never played the media game, a guy who have never sold himself. noel was on the cover of the Q-magazine, NME and others thousands of times. he went to nr.10 downing street. he went to like every fucking tv-show to promote the HFBs. and so on. noel doesn't play the media game? come on
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 14, 2011 11:19:26 GMT -5
You are the kind of person that doesn't think they should do something to legalize gay marriage BECAUSE it opens the doors to people marrying goats I'm really extremilly shocked by what you've just said. If it's outrageous to say that to me. I'm a very tolerant person (maybe not that much about music), I just like artists I rexpect to stay people I rexpect, I don't see how it makes me suddenly homophobic. You're really should be ashamed of saying such things.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 11:19:48 GMT -5
For fuck sake, people who like both bands get to see them on the same bill...
Stop arguing about petty things. Noel has a new album out that time and gets exposure, RHCP have a very well known musician supporting them and alot of irish folk grt value for money and the NGHFB bootleg freaks get an additional gig to listen to..
"Everyones a winner tete de veau"
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 14, 2011 11:23:36 GMT -5
Noel watches X-factor for fuck's sake. He doesn't get home from his gigs and sit and pray at the altar of "Pure Rock and Roll in Which the Lead Singer Does Not Have Tattoos and Bad Hair and Does Not Jump Around too Much". When you invest ridiculous moral standards and expectations upon a rock star, you are just asking for constant disappointment. Yeah he watches X factor with his daughter, but he refused to be jury, didn't he? So he has moral. D'you know what I mean? But you can be right for your last statement, Noel is just rarely a disappoitement on his moral standards.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 14, 2011 11:36:53 GMT -5
You are the kind of person that doesn't think they should do something to legalize gay marriage BECAUSE it opens the doors to people marrying goats I'm really extremilly shocked by what you've just said. If it's outrageous to say that to me. I'm a very tolerant person (maybe not that much about music), I just like artists I rexpect to stay people I rexpect, I don't see how it makes me suddenly homophobic. You're really should be ashamed of saying such things. Goodness. I said "like" is a simile. Obviously the way that you are "like" them I obviously mean objecting to something based on taking it to the catastrophic extreme NOT that you are homophobic. You really are simple. It's like me saying that someone is acting like a chimp and them turning to me and saying "are you saying I am abnormally hairy...HOW DARE YOU!!" Yeah, not the point dear.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Dec 14, 2011 11:37:51 GMT -5
The RHCP are/were a fantastic band, they should have split when John Frusciante quit second time around. The new album is rubbish but up untill then they have produced some amazing music and have that gang mentality that is so important for bands. They have been a lot bigger then Oasis worldwide since the late 90s, I know bigger doesnt mean better but for what they do, they kept improving or at least making albums equal to their earlier work, unlike Oasis. I enjoy later day Oasis more but the RHCP's deserve their success and anyway it's just a gig.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 11:44:45 GMT -5
The RHCP are/were a fantastic band, they should have split when John Frusciante quit second time around. The new album is rubbish but up untill then they have produced some amazing music and have that gang mentality that is so important for bands. They have been a lot bigger then Oasis worldwide since the late 90s, I know bigger doesnt mean better but for what they do, they kept improving or at least making albums equal to their earlier work, unlike Oasis. I enjoy later day Oasis more but the RHCP's deserve their success and anyway it's just a gig. "its just a gig" Summed it up perfectly
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 14, 2011 11:47:43 GMT -5
Goodness. I said "like" is a simile. Obviously the way that you are "like" them I obviously mean objecting to something based on taking it to the catastrophic extreme NOT that you are homophobic. You really are simple. It's like me saying that someone is acting like a chimp and them turning to me and saying "are you saying I am abnormally hairy...HOW DARE YOU!!" Yeah, not the point dear. Sorry I don't get all the subtilities of your stupid statements. English isn't my first language. I clearly don't speak the bitch snob language yet. Don't forget to buy ticket if Noel opens for Bieber, since you wouldn't have any problem with that. But I don't see the same thing that you do in Oasis anyway. You're obsessed by Noel records' sales when I really don't care, you slagg Liam off every chance you've got, you idealize Noel whatever he does. I bet you've never even seen Oasis live in your life and that you are a fan since the split, it would explain a lot why you feel Noel has to prove himself to the world when he had already for 20 years.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Dec 14, 2011 11:57:33 GMT -5
I'm really extremilly shocked by what you've just said. If it's outrageous to say that to me. I'm a very tolerant person (maybe not that much about music), I just like artists I rexpect to stay people I rexpect, I don't see how it makes me suddenly homophobic. You're really should be ashamed of saying such things. Goodness. I said "like" is a simile. Obviously the way that you are "like" them I obviously mean objecting to something based on taking it to the catastrophic extreme NOT that you are homophobic. You really are simple. It's like me saying that someone is acting like a chimp and them turning to me and saying "are you saying I am abnormally hairy...HOW DARE YOU!!" Yeah, not the point dear. I can't stop grinning at this. K+ for being the voice of reason in so many threads I see.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 14, 2011 12:04:39 GMT -5
Goodness. I said "like" is a simile. Obviously the way that you are "like" them I obviously mean objecting to something based on taking it to the catastrophic extreme NOT that you are homophobic. You really are simple. It's like me saying that someone is acting like a chimp and them turning to me and saying "are you saying I am abnormally hairy...HOW DARE YOU!!" Yeah, not the point dear. Sorry I don't get all the subtilities of your stupid statements. English isn't my first language. I clearly don't speak the bitch snob language yet. Don't forget to buy ticket if Noel opens for Bieber, since you wouldn't have any problem with that. But I don't see the same thing that you do in Oasis anyway. You're obsessed by Noel records' sales when I really don't care, you slagg Liam off every chance you've got, you idealize Noel whatever he does. I bet you've never even seen Oasis live in your life and that you are a fan since the split, it would explain a lot why you feel Noel has to prove himself to the world when he had already for 20 years. crazy talk. noel was never a man of morality. he did everything to make oasis big. if you think noel didn't play the game then you don't know much about noel. he does whatever he fucking likes. he never did something to have a working class or against the media attitude. he wanted to be big in a big business. he's not what you want him to be or what you think he is. he is a media slut. oasis weren't that big without playing the media game. he slagged off like every band before an album came out and said oasis is the greatest thing ever to get media attention and to sell more records. thats part of the game. he used the media to make more money
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Post by gdforever on Dec 14, 2011 12:12:24 GMT -5
Goodness. I said "like" is a simile. Obviously the way that you are "like" them I obviously mean objecting to something based on taking it to the catastrophic extreme NOT that you are homophobic. You really are simple. It's like me saying that someone is acting like a chimp and them turning to me and saying "are you saying I am abnormally hairy...HOW DARE YOU!!" Yeah, not the point dear. Sorry I don't get all the subtilities of your stupid statements. English isn't my first language. I clearly don't speak the bitch snob language yet. Don't forget to buy ticket if Noel opens for Bieber, since you wouldn't have any problem with that. But I don't see the same thing that you do in Oasis anyway. You're obsessed by Noel records' sales when I really don't care, you slagg Liam off every chance you've got, you idealize Noel whatever he does. I bet you've never even seen Oasis live in your life and that you are a fan since the split, it would explain a lot why you feel Noel has to prove himself to the world when he had already for 20 years. He doesn't need to prove himself. I never said he did. But I do think that he should try to reach as many people as he can because I think the album is fantastic...and there is no guarantee that the next one will take off. Do I want Noel to retire because he doesn't think it's worth it to release the music he makes anymore? I'm realistic. Noel is on his own label now. He needs his albums to succeed to fund the next bunch. And record sales indicate how well he is doing in reaching an audience. Of course it's exciting that Noel might be on course to sell as many as Oasis did with DOYS. That phenomenal or him and beyond expectation. You on the other hand seem to think having you as a fan is enough and he shouldn't try to reach anyone that doesn't share your EXTREMELY narrow musical tastes. You don't even live in Ireland! This lineup isn't even an option for you. You've bought the album...no more of this promo is aimed towards getting you to buy the album. You have already been successfully targeted. And FFS the RHCP are not the equivalent of Justin Beiber. You need to chill out. He is opening for a rock band that you aren't a fan of. Get over it. There have already been several on this thread that are fans of RHCP. I also praised BDI when the album came out and a few came down hard on it. It's a good album. But you weren't even around for that. And the use of simile isn't a particularly high literary tool. I learned it in grade 2. And I am pretty sure every language uses simile so get over yourself.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 14, 2011 12:14:10 GMT -5
I like some RHCP, but they can be pretty irritating. And people say Oasis songs sound the same? My God, try RHCP. Their formula tends to be: Rhyming gibberish mixed a guitar solo halfway in.
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 14, 2011 12:16:29 GMT -5
crazy talk. noel was never a man of morality. he did everything to make oasis big. if you think noel didn't play the game then you don't know much about noel. he does whatever he fucking likes. he never did something to have a working class or against the media attitude. he wanted to be big in a big business. he's not what you want him to be or what you think he is. he is a media slut. oasis weren't that big without playing the media game. he slagged off like every band before am album came ot and said oasis is the greatest thing ever to get media attention and to sell more records. thats part of the game. he used the media to make more money So you're saying Noel is a shithead who calculates everything he does to sell more records. You really have a big opinion of him ! Noel and Oasis played the media to get promotion and sell records, it doesn't change the fact, they didn't go around telling everyone was amazing. Maybe sometimes they did it to get attention. But most of the times, it just showed their true feelings. Noel though it was wrong to have Jay Z at Glastonburry, he said so, I don't think he did it for promotion. I don't think he slagged Michael Hutchense for promotion, I think he slagged bands he didn't like and was speaking his mind. Lately he plays a little more the media game. But that doesn't change he's more true than many other bands in this buiseness. The simple fact that he didn't choose to be a jury at X factor showes he still have some values. If I follow you, some of you would have said," great, it's tv exposure, it will make him sell more records" if he was explaining to a blonde bimbo why she didn't sing SCYHO right on the X factor.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Dec 14, 2011 12:19:40 GMT -5
Goodness. I said "like" is a simile. Obviously the way that you are "like" them I obviously mean objecting to something based on taking it to the catastrophic extreme NOT that you are homophobic. You really are simple. It's like me saying that someone is acting like a chimp and them turning to me and saying "are you saying I am abnormally hairy...HOW DARE YOU!!" Yeah, not the point dear. Sorry I don't get all the subtilities of your stupid statements. English isn't my first language. I clearly don't speak the bitch snob language yet. Don't forget to buy ticket if Noel opens for Bieber, since you wouldn't have any problem with that. But I don't see the same thing that you do in Oasis anyway. You're obsessed by Noel records' sales when I really don't care, you slagg Liam off every chance you've got, you idealize Noel whatever he does. I bet you've never even seen Oasis live in your life and that you are a fan since the split, it would explain a lot why you feel Noel has to prove himself to the world when he had already for 20 years. Hahaha Comparing RHCP to Justin Bieber ;D
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Post by gdforever on Dec 14, 2011 12:27:25 GMT -5
Sorry I don't get all the subtilities of your stupid statements. English isn't my first language. I clearly don't speak the bitch snob language yet. Don't forget to buy ticket if Noel opens for Bieber, since you wouldn't have any problem with that. But I don't see the same thing that you do in Oasis anyway. You're obsessed by Noel records' sales when I really don't care, you slagg Liam off every chance you've got, you idealize Noel whatever he does. I bet you've never even seen Oasis live in your life and that you are a fan since the split, it would explain a lot why you feel Noel has to prove himself to the world when he had already for 20 years. Hahaha Comparing RHCP to Justin Bieber ;D Didn't you know? Red Hot Chili Peppers are the gateway drug to becoming a Bieleber! This discussion in a farce. And I love that there is no way that howsoonisnow will accept that MAYBE Noel doesn't hate RHCP. Which could be why he is doing this. Not saying that they are one of his favorite modern bands...but chances are he doesn't hate them...otherwise I really don't think that he would be opening for them
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