Oasis Don't believe the truth best of the rest (Read 6,091 times)

[jason77]

I find myself going back to this album more then most of the others apart from the first 2 where would you rank don't believe the truth compared to the the first 3 albums ?

[beentherenow]

I’m the opposite. I have fantastic memories of it coming out, saw them twice on that tour, both of which were great gigs and I hold nothing but fondness for the record and that time period.

However I rarely go back and listen to it now and every time I have in the past 10 years or so, whilst the good memories are still there, it hasn’t aged well imo and the songs are quite weak.

I’d actually only put HC below it now in my ranking. However there is a sizeable jump between the two

[Marissa]

I can't compare it to the first 3 because it just feels like a different band... but I'd say better than HC, not as good as DOYS

[Aman]

It's shit.

It's closer to Heathen Chemistry in terms of quality than any other album.

[carlober]

It was a good period for the band but I've never been a fan of the album.
It is only marginally better than HC in my book and on some days I think it could be even worse than HC.
DBTT sounds... dull? Definitely affected by stale production & recordings.

The highlights are Turn Up the Sun and The Importance of Being Idle. I could live without the rest of the album. Maybe, if I'm in the mood, I could listen to Lyla and Part of the Queue. And Let There Be Love... it's got potential but it's such an appalling recording.

On HC I dig The Hindu Times, Little by Little, SCYHO, Songbird. Forget the rest.

Yeah, today is one of those days when DBTT might be the worst Oasis album for me

[defmaybe00]

Looking at it now, it was probably the best period post-97 to be a fan of the band, and I really believe DBTT is the one album that made Noel fall in love with songwriting again, but the record itself is mediocre and I never go back to it.

TIOBI is fantastic, in my opinion the best Oasis song since the Morning Glory era, and Part of The Queue is pretty damn good too. The rest of it has some pleasant enough moments (Turn Up The Sun, Let There Be Love, even Abel and Mucky Fingers when I'm in the mood) but it's overall quite forgettable. It's not as bad as Heathen Chemistry, but both SOTSOG and DOYS are much more interesting records and could've been at least 8/10 with a couple of tweaks to the tracklist

[joladella]

I love it, because when I actively tried to get into Oasis, it was this album that finally sealed the deal because it was love at first listen, each and every song.

[tiger40]

I like the album but I don't really listen to it anymore.

[freddy838]

I find Liam's vocals quite jarring on most of it and the production doesn't help either. Just a bit sloppy all round.

[jeffrey]

Easily their worst for me.

[Lennon2217]

Great band era. Vibe was so good for all of 2005. Most of the 2005 shows were stellar. Saw them at Philly, MSG and Atlantic City. The album is much like its predecessors. Half good, half mediocre. The singles were great as expected but it’s an ok album overall. Wish it was beefed up with Record Machine, Stop The Clocks, Boy With The Blues and Lord Don’t Slow Me Down. We didn’t realize it at the time but this was the beginning of the end. Once 2006 hit the band was slowly falling apart internally.

[matt]

A Bell Will Ring is truly awful, Keep The Dream Alive is pretty poor, but I think its an alright album.

Personally it doesn't have the awful awful lows of the two albums either side of it.

[jh]

Aug 5, 2023 9:53:15 GMT -5 matt said:

A Bell Will Ring is truly awful, Keep The Dream Alive is pretty poor, but I think its an alright album.

Personally it doesn't have the awful awful lows of the two albums either side of it.

Turn Up the Sun I would happily see Liam belt out on his solo career. Really loved and still do love that tune
Great opener for a live gig too. Eyeball Tickler should have been on the album also.

[freek]

Yeah, the album really got me back into the band. I liked it a lot and I still enjoy a lot of its songs. I would say it is not a sonical adventure like SOTSOG or DOYS, but it sounds like fun with TUTS, Lyla, TIOBI, GGTIA, TMOS and POTQ.

[tiger40]

Eyeball Tickler and Pass Me Down The Wine should've definitely been on the album instead of The Meaning Of Soul and A Bell Will Ring.

[Lennon2217]

Could be just as strong as the real album……

Lord Don’t Slow Me Down
Pass Me Down The Wine
Those Swollen Hand Blues
Eyeball Tickler
Stop The Clocks
Record Machine
Sitting Here In Silence On My Own
Boy With The Blues

[carlober]

I had completely forgotten about The Meaning of Soul. Such a bad song - and badly recorded too.

[NicOasis]

Aug 5, 2023 15:48:44 GMT -5 carlober said:

I had completely forgotten about The Meaning of Soul. Such a bad song - and badly recorded too.

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[capo2ndfret]

I tend to agree with this however, I’m unable to listen to any post MG album the entire way through. I can manage an edited and redone tracklisting for Be Here Now but the other albums have so much rubbish and dross on them I’d rather just pick the best from them and forget the rest.

DBTT features Liam’s worst recorded vocals and there are a lot of poor songs however, on a whole, it’s average is higher than other albums (if only just).
HC only has the singles (Born on a different cloud was ruined by awful production)
SOTSOG has F*ing in the Bushes, Go Let It Out, Gas Panic! Roll It Over is OK, too long and missing a middle 8.
DOYS would have made a great EP but everything after I’m Outta Time bar Falling Down is rubbish.

I’d put it 4th behind Be Here Now. SOTSOG as it was released is massively overrated by Oasis fans.


I think it is far simpler to say, all the records are guff post 1997, and you should just pick the tracks you like from each. There’s very little to separate them.

[The Chief]

I still love DBTT. It holds a special place in my heart but it's more because of the circomstances surrounding its release, both with the band being in a great era and in my personal life, than because of the music. Musically, it's the album that solidifed the passing of Oasis into Oasis MKII which was never right as an Oasis fan. SOTSOG was written in a time of turmoil so it can be forgiven, HC was their attempt at recording an album together but DBTT should have been the album that showed Oasis were still an awesome band. But what it did instead is show that LAG couldn't write songs that could come close to Noel's songwriting (which doesn't mean they're bad songwriters), that Noel was heading in another direction which continued with NGHFB and that Liam had embraced his cheap Lennon/Lydon/Chipmunk imitation. What I mean by that is, for example, the vocals on Keep The Dream Alive are shocking and the way he sings "sky" on Let There Be Love is laughable, like litterally I rolled my eyes and smiled the first time I heard it.

As I've stated before around here, Andy's songs were always hit or miss for me. I love Turn Up The Sun (or rather what Oasis did with it) and I think Keep The Dream Alive is one of the worst songs released under the Oasis moniker. I never expect great things from Gem as far as songwriting so A Bell Will Ring is just a 3 minute Gem song like Hung in a Bad Place. It starts and finishes... that's pretty much it and I either let it play or ignore it but I don't often skip it. Liam's able to write amazing and shit songs and I still think Guess God Thinks I'm Abel is the former. The Meaning of Soul is more akin to how I described A Bell Will Ring to me. Love Like a Bomb (another shocking vocal) is... meh... Boy With the Blues would have been better in replacement of any of those last two. As for Noel, I still absolutely love Part of the Queue and Let There Be Love. Waiting For The Man... I mean... Mucky Fingers... is quite good and fun to sing in the car and I love the harmonica bits. The Importance of Being Idle is one of those classic Noel song that I expect so I'm neither impressed or disappointed and I like it. Lyla never goes anywhere but it's an earworm for sure.

But, like DOYS, it's a testament to the main songwriter going in another direction and the other 3 trying to write songs for a band that died at the turn of the century.

[Casino Boogie]

Aug 5, 2023 13:51:09 GMT -5 Lennon2217 said:

Could be just as strong as the real album……

Lord Don’t Slow Me Down
Pass Me Down The Wine
Those Swollen Hand Blues
Eyeball Tickler
Stop The Clocks
Record Machine
Sitting Here In Silence On My Own
Boy With The Blues

+ Just Let It Come Down Over Me.

[Casino Boogie]

Aug 6, 2023 4:57:51 GMT -5 capo2ndfret said:

I tend to agree with this however, I’m unable to listen to any post MG album the entire way through. I can manage an edited and redone tracklisting for Be Here Now but the other albums have so much rubbish and dross on them I’d rather just pick the best from them and forget the rest.

DBTT features Liam’s worst recorded vocals and there are a lot of poor songs however, on a whole, it’s average is higher than other albums (if only just).
HC only has the singles (Born on a different cloud was ruined by Noel’s awful mixing)
SOTSOG has F*ing in the Bushes, Go Let It Out, Gas Panic! Roll It Over is OK, too long and missing a middle 8.
DOYS would have made a great EP but everything after I’m Outta Time bar Falling Down is rubbish.

I’d put it 4th behind Be Here Now. SOTSOG as it was released is massively overrated by Oasis fans.


I think it is far simpler to say, all the records are guff post 1997, and you should just pick the tracks you like from each. There’s very little to separate them.

It's largely overlooked on this forum that Mark 'Spike' Stent mixed Heathen Chemistry.

[capo2ndfret]

Apologies for parroting that misinformation. It’s a bad mix no matter which way you slice it.

[warewolf95]

I think it's the only album that comes close to the first two. Its a totally different vibe and band, but the strength of the album as a complete piece....easily their best "front to back", full-album, well, album since Be Here Now.

It's firmly sat at #3, tied with Be Here Now for me.

Dig Out Your Soul, at its best (about half or more of the album), builds upon DBTT, but in the end is too uneven for me to rank it higher, though if they had nailed it, I definitely think it would have been as strong, or stronger. They were just kicking ass at that point.

[GlastoEls]

It’s riddled with the same issue as everything post SOTSOG; not enough Liam sung, Noel written tunes, which “is” Oasis.