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Post by durk on Nov 4, 2022 7:07:35 GMT -5
disagree but respect your opinion. to each his/her own. music is so subjective...
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Post by starkidd on Nov 4, 2022 8:02:17 GMT -5
This man wrote Champagne Supernova, Live Forever and The Masterplan. It's not even close to the quality of those songs. A bit unfair maybe, but I expect so much more from Noel Gallagher. This follows the road he's been on since WBTM. Not into it at all.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 4, 2022 8:22:07 GMT -5
This man wrote Champagne Supernova, Live Forever and The Masterplan. It's not even close to the quality of those songs. A bit unfair maybe, but I expect so much more from Noel Gallagher. This follows the road he's been on since WBTM. Not into it at all. Yeah cause Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc never wrote weak songs after age 40………….. |
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Post by mossy on Nov 4, 2022 8:37:07 GMT -5
This man wrote Champagne Supernova, Live Forever and The Masterplan. It's not even close to the quality of those songs. A bit unfair maybe, but I expect so much more from Noel Gallagher. This follows the road he's been on since WBTM. Not into it at all. Yeah cause Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc never wrote weak songs after age 40………….. Imagine if fan forums existed when Bob dropped this late era classic. X |
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Post by durk on Nov 4, 2022 10:30:36 GMT -5
This man wrote Champagne Supernova, Live Forever and The Masterplan. It's not even close to the quality of those songs. A bit unfair maybe, but I expect so much more from Noel Gallagher. This follows the road he's been on since WBTM. Not into it at all. Yeah cause Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc never wrote weak songs after age 40………….. whose calling Coming Up weak?!  |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Nov 4, 2022 11:07:28 GMT -5
Regardless of what we think, what do the numbers say? I have no idea how or where artists judge if a song is a “hit” or not these days
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 4, 2022 11:59:14 GMT -5
Regardless of what we think, what do the numbers say? I have no idea how or where artists judge if a song is a “hit” or not these days This has had zero promo and no physical release, impossible to judge really Reaction on social media didn't seem too bad to me honestly, arguably better than the EP tunes, but I haven't checked in the last couple of days |
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 4, 2022 14:07:55 GMT -5
disagree but respect your opinion. to each his/her own. music is so subjective... Agreed. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 5, 2022 3:42:13 GMT -5
Song doesn't really go anywhere. Noel hasn't written a decent chorus in a long time now, considering this is something he could churn out in his sleep a long time ago.
I'm into him going in new directions, I'm not expecting another Oasis album, but as a pure songwriter he is nowhere near what he once was.
The EP songs since WBTM are more about different sounds hiding and glossing over the fact there is very little decent melody underneath. They are mostly mediocre at best.
If this was another artist, I wouldn't give it the time of day. I only find myself repeatedly listening to these songs because they are NG's, and I'm hoping after repeated listens something will finally stick with me, that I will finally see the light, and I will suddenly `get it'.
4/10. A filler song at best, a throw away discarded B song at worst. If this is the lead single for the new album, it doesn't look promising.
I think the last thing NG did which blew me away was Holy Mountain, because it had that uplifting, partying, soaring spirit that Oasis was always about, and HM had that vibe, even if the sound was different. I didn't mind Black Star Dancing either, as there was a cool vibe to that song (and a great video).
This is just mediocre, bleak, very average. I'm all for a throwback 80's sound, but I'd take a Top Gun Harold Faltermeyer/Giorgo Moroder sound any day over this 80's sounding effort.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Nov 5, 2022 5:04:27 GMT -5
The style isn't the problem(drums are shit though). It's just a weak song, far below his normal standard. I would probably prefer him to ditch the cosmic pop style, not that I don't like that style of music but there are people who do it better.
Noel has shown time and time again that he's best with just an acoustic guitar. That's the sort of album I'm hoping for, Idler's Dream, Dead in the Water sort of thing.
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Post by mossy on Nov 5, 2022 5:09:38 GMT -5
I’m not sure I know what cosmic pop even is - just something Noel made up to describe Moon? But whatever cosmic pop is, I don’t think Pretty Boy is it.
I don’t think it is particularly 80s either. Early Cure and trebly post-punk started in the late 70s…
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Post by MacaRonic on Nov 5, 2022 5:27:12 GMT -5
My opinion isn’t based on wanting Noel to stay in the past writing guitar-anthems but a good song is a good song and this, along with his recent output, simply isn’t. He’s been heading downhill melody-wise since ‘How Built The Moon’ and f#ck the vibe of the song because it’ll never make up for the lack of any hook.
Noel has evolved into a 55 year old soft, lazy fart with nothing to say anymore. Good on him… I’m looking forward to having that attitude by the time I’m his age.
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Post by mossy on Nov 5, 2022 5:44:11 GMT -5
I think calling him lazy is unfair. He’s put out way more songs this decade than he did in the later Oasis years. He’s also built a studio and really put the hours into this album.
I don’t think he’s lost the ability to write melodies/choruses either. He still has them on some of his recent songs. This has been a conscious decision to not have such obvious melodies/choruses. People may not like it, but it is not him being lazy - it is what he seems to want to do.
Anyway, I still expect the album to have a good mix and there’ll be some songs for everyone. Hopefully not too long til we see anyway.
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Post by Firefly on Nov 5, 2022 7:19:15 GMT -5
Don't go for the idea that Noel is best with acoustic/best at one thing/should ditch another thing. He's best with whatever he puts his mind to, he just didn't put his mind to this imo. Look at The Man Who Built The Moon. As I said in the other thread, that track is one helluva tune. Layered, textured, tons of little things to pick up on with repeat listings. Goes places. Pretty Boy doesn't go anywhere and there's nothing to pick up on with repeat listenings, there's no surprises. It's a worry that he just tossed this one out there, no promo, no social media splash...like he doesn't care. I hope it's all part of the plan and the album will be awesome.
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Post by NYR on Nov 5, 2022 7:33:24 GMT -5
As someone who has always been a fan of artists exploring outside of their comfort zones, I dig it. It takes chutzpah to follow your own path rather than trying to please your fans, which I respect. But I have to say, that outisde the comfort zone for the gallaghers is still pretty close to the stuff they did before. It's not like they changed direction or something. I know what you mean but everything changed for me after discovering King Gizzard and the lizard wizard. In some sense they destroyed some of the love I had for other bands. I agree. What Noel's doing isn't too far off from everything else he's done in the grand scheme of things (especially in comparison to bands like King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard), but enough to turn off a sizable amount of fans. I'd say the same about Pearl Jam, particularly on albums like 'Vs.' and 'No Code', which happen to be my favorite albums of theirs. I find it to be a more rewarding listening experience when artists try new things. |
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Post by mossy on Nov 5, 2022 8:25:05 GMT -5
But I have to say, that outisde the comfort zone for the gallaghers is still pretty close to the stuff they did before. It's not like they changed direction or something. I know what you mean but everything changed for me after discovering King Gizzard and the lizard wizard. In some sense they destroyed some of the love I had for other bands. I agree. What Noel's doing isn't too far off from everything else he's done in the grand scheme of things (especially in comparison to bands like King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard), but enough to turn off a sizable amount of fans. I'd say the same about Pearl Jam, particularly on albums like 'Vs.' and 'No Code', which happen to be my favorite albums of theirs. I find it to be a more rewarding listening experience when artists try new things. My favourite artists have always been the ones who switch things up and change direction: The Clash, Bowie, Primal Scream, NIN, Aphex Twin, Massive Attack, The Beatles, Beck. I’m loving Noel spreading his wings and trying new things. Not everything will land perfectly for everyone - but it never did for the biggest and best artists either. We’d all be getting pretty bored if we were coming up to a 5th album of rearranged Wonderwall chords now. X |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 5, 2022 9:21:08 GMT -5
It’s amazing that people still bitch about the EPs. Do you prefer the alternative? Like we would have gotten nothing 2018 to 2022? Because fuck that!!!! Plenty of good tunes on those EPs. It’s almost like Noel gave us an album during those months. I still really dig Black Star Dancing, Sail On, This Is The Place and Blue Moon Rising a lot.
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Post by Firefly on Nov 5, 2022 10:15:17 GMT -5
It’s amazing that people still bitch about the EPs. Do you prefer the alternative? Like we would have gotten nothing 2018 to 2022? Because fuck that!!!! Plenty of good tunes on those EPs. It’s almost like Noel gave us an album during those months. I still really dig Black Star Dancing, Sail On, This Is The Place and Blue Moon Rising a lot. Yeah, I won't knock those EPs. Great tunes and he got to try different things. Like the art work too, well maybe not for Blue Moon Rising but the other two were good. Plus we got something to tide us over. EPs are the best format for him experimenting, he should keep it up. |
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Post by mossy on Nov 5, 2022 10:29:57 GMT -5
I still hold out hope he does EP length singles for this next album.
He was talking about doing a double album at one point, so he has plenty of material to use as b-sides.
Slightly gutted that Pretty Boy has been chucked out there with no b-sides!
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Post by mossy on Nov 5, 2022 11:15:26 GMT -5
It’s amazing that people still bitch about the EPs. Do you prefer the alternative? Like we would have gotten nothing 2018 to 2022? Because fuck that!!!! Plenty of good tunes on those EPs. It’s almost like Noel gave us an album during those months. I still really dig Black Star Dancing, Sail On, This Is The Place and Blue Moon Rising a lot. I loved the EPs and hope he keeps doing them. Slight counter though: we got ZERO b-sides during the Moon cycle. Those singles were a rip-off. Instrumentals, seriously? We really should’ve gotten Sail On and Come On Outside as Moon b-sides at the very least, given they were just sat on the shelf waiting to be used. X |
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Post by Jim on Nov 5, 2022 11:50:19 GMT -5
It’s amazing that people still bitch about the EPs. Do you prefer the alternative? Like we would have gotten nothing 2018 to 2022? Because fuck that!!!! Plenty of good tunes on those EPs. It’s almost like Noel gave us an album during those months. I still really dig Black Star Dancing, Sail On, This Is The Place and Blue Moon Rising a lot. I loved the EPs and hope he keeps doing them. Slight counter though: we got ZERO b-sides during the Moon cycle. Those singles were a rip-off. Instrumentals, seriously? We really should’ve gotten Sail On and Come On Outside as Moon b-sides at the very least, given they were just sat on the shelf waiting to be used. X We did get God Help Us All and Alone On The Rope (for the second time) but I agree there was a severe lack of proper b-sides last time around. I don’t count remixes as proper b-sides personally even though some of them are great to hear. One of my pet hates of modern releases are tracks are stuck out at the beginning of of an album cycle as bonus tracks on deluxe editions, very frustrating after growing up with 4 and 3 track singles. |
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Post by mossy on Nov 5, 2022 12:07:34 GMT -5
I loved the EPs and hope he keeps doing them. Slight counter though: we got ZERO b-sides during the Moon cycle. Those singles were a rip-off. Instrumentals, seriously? We really should’ve gotten Sail On and Come On Outside as Moon b-sides at the very least, given they were just sat on the shelf waiting to be used. X We did get God Help Us All and Alone On The Rope (for the second time) but I agree there was a severe lack of proper b-sides last time around. I don’t count remixes as proper b-sides personally even though some of them are great to hear. One of my pet hates of modern releases are tracks are stuck out at the beginning of of an album cycle as bonus tracks on deluxe editions, very frustrating after growing up with 4 and 3 track singles. I’m not letting you count Rope man :-P The 90s were peak for b-sides hey? Not just Oasis: Radiohead, SFAs, Blur, Manics, Nirvana, Beck, Smashing Pumpkins… great times. I feel properly ripped off by £10+ singles now. Shakes fist at cloud. X |
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Post by Jim on Nov 5, 2022 12:27:34 GMT -5
We did get God Help Us All and Alone On The Rope (for the second time) but I agree there was a severe lack of proper b-sides last time around. I don’t count remixes as proper b-sides personally even though some of them are great to hear. One of my pet hates of modern releases are tracks are stuck out at the beginning of of an album cycle as bonus tracks on deluxe editions, very frustrating after growing up with 4 and 3 track singles. I’m not letting you count Rope man :-P The 90s were peak for b-sides hey? Not just Oasis: Radiohead, SFAs, Blur, Manics, Nirvana, Beck, Smashing Pumpkins… great times. I feel properly ripped off by £10+ singles now. Shakes fist at cloud. X £10 etched b-side singles and £18 three track EPs… no fun. On another note, you need to get the new Daniel Avery album, Ultra Truth. You’ll thank me later! |
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Post by mossy on Nov 5, 2022 12:49:57 GMT -5
I’m not letting you count Rope man :-P The 90s were peak for b-sides hey? Not just Oasis: Radiohead, SFAs, Blur, Manics, Nirvana, Beck, Smashing Pumpkins… great times. I feel properly ripped off by £10+ singles now. Shakes fist at cloud. X £10 etched b-side singles and £18 three track EPs… no fun. On another note, you need to get the new Daniel Avery album, Ultra Truth. You’ll thank me later! It’s on my list! Love his Drone Logic album. If you don’t already have it, get yourself the 2cd Erol Alkan reworks album. X |
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Post by Sadie on Nov 5, 2022 13:21:34 GMT -5
Don't go for the idea that Noel is best with acoustic/best at one thing/should ditch another thing. He's best with whatever he puts his mind to, he just didn't put his mind to this imo. Look at The Man Who Built The Moon. As I said in the other thread, that track is one helluva tune. Layered, textured, tons of little things to pick up on with repeat listings. Goes places. Pretty Boy doesn't go anywhere and there's nothing to pick up on with repeat listenings, there's no surprises. It's a worry that he just tossed this one out there, no promo, no social media splash...like he doesn't care. I hope it's all part of the plan and the album will be awesome. Glad someone mentioned The Man Who Built The Moon, I hadn't heard it in a while so I just had a listen and WOW. Totally forgot how good it is and for me that has to be the benchmark. He's perfectly capable of writing incredible songs but yeah, it seems like the sound is taking precedence over everything else at the minute to the detriment of his lyrics (don't get me wrong Pretty Boy is a nice song but the 2 songs he released on new year's day and literally everything on the EPs, except Evil Flower, are miles better) |
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